Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) Those paying attention have noticed the spike in awareness of not just people in general but the mainstream media's acknowledgment that a deep state exists. Articles in every major publication have used that term in headlines and as the basis of op eds. And now that people are wide awake to the notion that there exists channels of power free from oversight and whom are unelected, there is a new movement to redefine the deep state as being something that only exists in nations OTHER than the US. It's a desperate move, akin to the fake news mantra started by the fake stream media and then quickly abandoned when they were hoisted by their own petard. But expect it to continue... It started with Bill Maher's show this week and now the Atlantic posts this article which is a laugh a minute: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/why-its-dangerous-to-talk-about-a-deep-state/517221/ Edited February 20, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 The Russian ambassador to the UN just died. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Trump did it as a favor to Putin, obviously. They guy was having all the best caviar sent here for himself and Putin got pizzed about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 It's a common mistake to confuse Never Trumpers with Hillary supporters. My statement that HIllary is indeed a neocon has nothing to do with your statement. Re Bolton, it falls in line with what DR and I stated earlier in the thread, that Trump seems to be acquiescing to the neocons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 My statement that HIllary is indeed a neocon has nothing to do with your statement. Re Bolton, it falls in line with what DR and I stated earlier in the thread, that Trump seems to be acquiescing to the neocons. Agreed -- though now Bolton is out, so some hope remains. The rest is for clarity: Neocon/Neoliberal -- different name, same desire to push their version of democracy through the force of one hegemonic entity that resides above the traditional definition of a nation state. As stated in the beginning of this thread, trying to reduce the Deep State down to one group, one ideology, one country, one corporation, or any other such reductive interpretation is a waste of time and a disservice to the truth. The Deep State is warring with itself now precisely because there is more than one philosophy as to how best run the world and people inside it disagree as to where to go next. The neocon philosophy is certainly a favorite among many on the outs in the Deep State today for reasons already covered, but that doesn't mean every neocon is a part of the Deep State or that every part of the Deep State believes in the neocon philosophy. However, the group calling the shots for the Deep State since Kennedy was killed is, above all else, unipolarists who believe the key to stability is one global power -- this is why the neocon philosophy is favored by that group... or was through 43 until it morphed into neoliberalism under 44 and HRC. GG will see this as a contradiction because he's hung up on labels rather than looking at the evidence dispassionately. He fully believes neoconservatism is the best way to go, and has said so repeatedly. He has a right to his opinion of course, no matter how the evidence has demonstrated that this philosophy is completely incompatible with our democratic republic (and why the neocons under Bush pushed so hard to strip away our civil liberties and constitutional protections -- their philosophy probably would work under a more authoritarian rule). Thus, GG will be the last one that will be willing to look at this topic honestly since he will see any discussion of this as being an affront to his chosen team. One day he'll get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Oh I'm sorry but you actually don't believe that US foreign policy hadn't been a force for good in the world? And I'm the one who's delusional? In any event, US foreign policy has always looked outside its borders. I have no clue why you'd pick the JFK administration as the starting point, other than it behind the launching pad for day conspiracists. So the federal government is full of career bureaucrats who don't like to their power erode with a new administration, especially when that administration is run by an orange turnip. Color me shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Oh I'm sorry but you actually don't believe that US foreign policy hadn't been a force for good in the world? And I'm the one who's delusional? I've never said that nor do I believe that. I said the neocon philosophy is fundamentally incompatible with our form of government. Difference. In any event, US foreign policy has always looked outside its borders. I have no clue why you'd pick the JFK administration as the starting point, other than it behind the launching pad for day conspiracists. So the federal government is full of career bureaucrats who don't like to their power erode with a new administration, especially when that administration is run by an orange turnip. Color me shocked. If you want to get to the core of why Kennedy's death was the delineation point you have to look into the postwar Nazi connection with the US IC. Kennedy was threatening to destroy the paramilitary capability of the CIA -- which in Europe at the time was almost entirely comprised of former Nazis brought over through paperclip and operating under Reinhard Gehlen. These weren't lightweight Nazis, but hardened war criminals who oversaw the extermination campaigns along the eastern front. Gehlen's bread was buttered by, as we now know with the benefit of hindsight and FOIA documents, by over hyping the imminent threat of the Soviets and organizing pro-democracy coups behind the iron curtain. Kennedy's order would have shuttered Gehlen's entire organization. Who brought Gehlen into paperclip at the end of the war? Allen Dulles when he was OSS, before he became director of CIA. Dulles was the officer who hid Gehlen's identity from the Soviets who, at the time, were promised full access to every captured Nazi especially those wanted for war crimes along the eastern front. Who did Kennedy fire before being publicly executed? And who was oddly put on the very commission to investigate Kennedy's assassination? Right... Kennedy was killed because he was a threat to this Deep State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The truth is out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 The truth is out there In this case quite literally. If you want to check out a good book on that subject, take a look at Blowback by Christopher Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 HUGH HEWITT: Fire Obama’s ‘Deep State’ Sleeper Cells Yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Rule #1 of the deep state, you don't talk about the deep state. Rule#2 refer to rule #1 - Ian bremmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 With the French elections in the spotlight, WikiLeaks dropped this little gem about CIA's interference in their 2012 election: https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-elections-2012/releases/ Related: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/17/lawmakers-probe-us-funding-for-soros-groups-left-wing-causes-in-europe.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 John Podesta joins The Washington Post as contributing columnisthttp://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/02/john-podesta-joins-washington-post-as-contributing-columnist-235300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 John Podesta joins The Washington Post as contributing columnisthttp://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/02/john-podesta-joins-washington-post-as-contributing-columnist-235300 This hypocrisy brought to you by the same people that B word about the Republican Party and Fox News being in bed together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 John Podesta joins The Washington Post as contributing columnisthttp://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/02/john-podesta-joins-washington-post-as-contributing-columnist-235300 Is he gonna write a column on the best child-molestation spots in DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 John Podesta joins The Washington Post as contributing columnisthttp://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/02/john-podesta-joins-washington-post-as-contributing-columnist-235300 Well, they're simply trying to keep their news coverage "balanced". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Robert Mercer: the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage "But there was another reason why I recognised Robert Mercer’s name: because of his connection to Cambridge Analytica, a small data analytics company. He is reported to have a $10m stake in the company, which was spun out of a bigger British company called SCL Group. It specialises in “election management strategies” and “messaging and information operations”, refined over 25 years in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. In military circles this is known as “psyops” – psychological operations. (Mass propaganda that works by acting on people’s emotions.) Cambridge Analytica worked for the Trump campaign and, so I’d read, the Leave campaign. When Mercer supported Cruz, Cambridge Analytica worked with Cruz. When Robert Mercer started supporting Trump, Cambridge Analytica came too. And where Mercer’s money is, Steve Bannon is usually close by: it was reported that until recently he had a seat on the board." Edited February 26, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Robert Mercer: the big data billionaire waging war on mainstream media https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage "But there was another reason why I recognised Robert Mercer’s name: because of his connection to Cambridge Analytica, a small data analytics company. He is reported to have a $10m stake in the company, which was spun out of a bigger British company called SCL Group. It specialises in “election management strategies” and “messaging and information operations”, refined over 25 years in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. In military circles this is known as “psyops” – psychological operations. (Mass propaganda that works by acting on people’s emotions.) Cambridge Analytica worked for the Trump campaign and, so I’d read, the Leave campaign. When Mercer supported Cruz, Cambridge Analytica worked with Cruz. When Robert Mercer started supporting Trump, Cambridge Analytica came too. And where Mercer’s money is, Steve Bannon is usually close by: it was reported that until recently he had a seat on the board." here's a more detailed piece on the company.https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 here's a more detailed piece on the company.https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Bit of hysteria in those articles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 Bit of hysteria in those articles Huge. It's hilarious to see the left go full on conspiracy theorist without a hint of irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Bit of hysteria in those articlesInfluencing thought or public opinion through owning/using the media has a long history. Social media and the use of big data makes it a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 This has never gone sideways before in history... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/22/germany-boost-army-200000-troops-amid-growing-concern-donald/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This has never gone sideways before in history... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/22/germany-boost-army-200000-troops-amid-growing-concern-donald/ Headline hysteria! They plan to increase troops by 20,000 over the next 8 years!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Headline hysteria! They plan to increase troops by 20,000 over the next 8 years!! It's not the amount, it's the trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 It's not the amount, it's the trend. I know. The trend of hysteria is off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 No worries. They're only taking Syrian Muslim refugees in their new army. What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 I know. The trend of hysteria is off the charts. Very true. No worries. They're only taking Syrian Muslim refugees in their new army. What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Another piece on government/CIA manipulation of the media. The second half of the blog gets into more recent manipulation. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/02/cia-one-main-peddlers-fake-news.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Not quite on the topic of the current Deep State war, which has been roiling, but still on the topic of the US Deep State: Berta Cáceres court papers show murder suspects' links to US-trained elite troops The Honduran environmental activist’s killing a year ago bears the hallmarks of a ‘well-planned operation designed by military intelligence’ says legal source https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/berta-caceres-honduras-military-intelligence-us-trained-special-forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I wish I knew this Drane... so I don't get the comparison fully. But either way, Pleased to meet you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 Pleased to meet you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I figure with all the chaos happening on the board...why not add a little more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I figure with all the chaos happening on the board...why not add a little more? So other than the fact we're all still alive, how did you enjoy the apocalypse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Are you kidding? He manufactured it. In another vein, I was driving my son's car and listening to the AM radio which only gets one channel - WOR 710 outta NYC and listened a bit on a drive to Rush Limbaugh! Hah! Hadn't heard him in years. Anyway, he was saying that Valerie Jarrett moved in with the Obamas in their new DC digs. And he asked why would she do that? He posits it's to run the shadow government to destabilize, delegitimize, and torment the Trump administration at every turn with every means possible. It was an innarestin' take, I must confess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Are you kidding? He manufactured it. In another vein, I was driving my son's car and listening to the AM radio which only gets one channel - WOR 710 outta NYC and listened a bit on a drive to Rush Limbaugh! Hah! Hadn't heard him in years. Anyway, he was saying that Valerie Jarrett moved in with the Obamas in their new DC digs. And he asked why would she do that? He posits it's to run the shadow government to destabilize, delegitimize, and torment the Trump administration at every turn with every means possible. It was an innarestin' take, I must confess. Did you think he was just going to walk away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Where's the picture of that popcorn eating guy when I need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 Where's the picture of that popcorn eating guy when I need it? Well, as promised in the OP, the deep state war has really gotten nasty. We've got a sitting president accusing the former president of illegally spying on him, we've got 6 dead Russian ambassadors in less than 3 months, and you have the former AG of the US releasing a video calling for violence in the streets to resist Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7DsCeTfwM It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Well, as promised in the OP, the deep state war has really gotten nasty. We've got a sitting president accusing the former president of illegally spying on him, we've got 6 dead Russian ambassadors in less than 3 months, and you have the former AG of the US releasing a video calling for violence in the streets to resist Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7DsCeTfwM It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. WTF was she thinking? That's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 WTF was she thinking? That's not good. She's following orders. Like she did on the tarmac. Like she did while Obama bombed US citizens without due process. Her agenda is rather transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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