RyanC883 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Maybe we've been around the Patriots for too long? But it seems to work for them, and they give you zip. Doug gives "partial zip." Need to give "total zip." It would be nice if the media were more fixated on questions like: "what qualities do you want in the next coach," "who are you consulting, if anyone, in your search." "what positions need to be solidified the most in FA and the draft." Likely to get evasive answers for competitive reaosns, but sometimes get something good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 1). Watched it in its entirety: It was cringeworthy 2). Nope I cited it as an on-field indication of a team in disarray and my personal low-point of the season ending. Your making a straw man out of an added-on detail and going to town on it. Was not my entire point at all but go ahead and bash it as it's the bulk of your point. 3). Ok I don't know if Whaley was lying, but the majority of people find his recount fantastically unbelievable. And it does matter when your front office mishandling of matters is aired out in front of the country. It only re-enforces any negative view of the Bills organization in the national eye to fans and even prospective players/coaches. Nobody denies that Pegs wanted Rex etc. Solid football organizations do not handle their business like this. The Bills always seem to handle their business like this. Thanks for your expanding on the business world, I am in it every day. But please, take the high ground for yourself and preach. The rest of your post is bashing people's reaction. You have your opinion and others do not share it. You're telling them it's dumb, wrong, extreme etc. Some of us think it's all those things and more to blame the media and fellow fans for the gaffes of OBD. I mentioned this in another post, I live in the NYC market....you should see what the media does to professional teams and players when there are firings with odd circumstances and behavior, when front offices implode, GM's look silly....like sharks to blood. WFAN has to fill the air for 24 hours and man do they pounce on things like this. See the last 2 years of Rex with the Jets - circus...the media was relentless for months I commend your painting all of this as a good thing, those are some awesome rose colored lenses. I just don't see a prime coaching candidate looking at his prospective management and becoming more excited based on the last few weeks of OBD activity. No no...there's a lot there buddy. I just don't have the time tonight. Since you're gloating already, I will make time for you tomorrow. I actually find it comical though that my not responding to you yet somehow makes the bills less of a sh-tshow. If there's one thing I know, it's that there is nothing you can or will ever say that will prove they are dysfunctional. You don't know anything about what goes on behind closed doors. You know what the trash the media spews. Oh yeah, I forgot, Gillislee didn't know he had to pick up the kickoff. They're definitely dysfunctional. Can't wait to hear the facts behind why the FO is so dusfuncional Edited January 5, 2017 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Press conference was the most smug Whaley i've seen in a while, media hates him because he doesn't care about giving them stories. If you don't believe me, just look at Graham and Rodaks twitter over the past few days I love it. The media loves to blast people who don't give them stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) EXACTLY! I can not believe the non sense going on around here about the Press Conference...I don't even think many even watched it, they just ran with what ever BS theory or story they had in their head based on their biased hatred of him. Thats the only explanation because literally NOTHING that is being whined about actually occurred in the Press Conference. I thought Whaley did a great job actually. I agree. I don't think a lot of people have listened to it. Why do I keep reading about Brandon? He wasn't there. The only mention of him was Whaley saying he has other responsibilities and isn't involved. Yet, somehow, Russ' name keeps getting thrown about like he was there. People are just projecting past criticisms onto the current situation. That's all. If anything I feel more positive, because he said very plainly that Russ is not involved in any way. I mean isn't that what we've all been wanting for years? The press exaggerated and much of the public ate it up and blew it completely out of proportion. However, we can't claim that Whaley did a "great job". In fact, he did an awful job. Whaley's problem is that he goes into each press conference as if the media is the enemy and he's there to be interrogated and to keep everything close to the vest. He looks like he's ready for a fight and answers like he's a defendant on the stand answering questions from the prosecutor. But that's not so much on him as it is Russ Brandon, Scott Berchtold and the Pegulas. I feel like that hatred/awkwardness with the media has been going on for way too long now. I was hoping that the Pegulas would put a stop to it but they haven't. This obsession with controlling the narrative and making sure no information that might lead to proven accountability of mistakes is not working. In fact, it's blowing up in their faces. They have to change how they conduct PR. You can blame the Buffalo News all you want but they're not going to change. The media is the same everywhere. So you can either keep fighting it and look like dysfunctional incompetents...or you can play the game and just open up and let them in. Why does Whaley have to blatantly lie about never giving Pegula any input about Rex? Everyone knew it was BS to the point of absurdity. Other parts of the PC he acts unnecessarily cagey and answers questions in a passive aggressive manner. Why was Rex fired? - "Ownership issued a statement." "I wasn't privy to that information." What was your role in Rex's hiring? - "I will not get into that." (deflects blame) "Again, I was not privy to that conversation." "I understand the narrative out there, Anthony and I have talked and we're fine" "We are fine." "The ownership put out a statement." "I will have to disagree with you on that." "Can I answer?" "There was going to be a narrative no matter what we had done that day." "That painted us in any picture you guys wanted to paint us." "They put out a statement. You have it." "Well that is the way you think." "You can write how you want." You didn't know that Rex might get fired? - "No." (throws owner under the bus) "I had no reason to talk to them about Rex, we were focused on the season." (what?!) Did you agree with the decision to fire Rex? - "I haven't even thought about it." This team needs to come to the realization that going to war with the local media is not a war they will win. It's better business to stop being so guarded and mysterious and just be more open and tell it like it is. I disagree. Whaley did a great job. Many people think he didn't because he gave a lot of BS answers. But that was almost certainly his intent. I do alot of press events. And for the big ones, you always have a PR person give you your "talking points". These are the answers they want you to give, and tell you at every opportunity...go back to it. That's what you say. And then sit and wait for another question. Then give the same answer. Repeat until someone tells you that to leave. The answers I bolded are almost certainly PR-provided responses that he continually came back to. There are a few others he had as well. But, I guarantee he was given these answers and probably even rehearsed types of questions and when to use them. Does it give the press the answers they want... No. Does it give the public the answers they want... No. But, it gets him out of there without doing any addtional damage... Usually. And its how all big organizations typically handle press conferences, especially likely combative ones. Edited January 5, 2017 by Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The media couldn't get a story out of the press conference so they have to resort to bashing the franchise. Shows a real lack of intelligence and skill in their craft by the Buffalo media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Exactly...all this garbage being spewed around here is ridiculous. People over analyzing the press conferences is stupid. Rex told the owner if you are going to go in a different direction then lets do it now...and so they did. Pretty simple really. Funny a lot of people complaining were the same people praising the Cowboys FO which is full of ownership meddling. Bottom line is simple. Rex is out. Whaley has been given the power to pick the next HC himself. He isn't just going to give the reigns to Lynn by default as his future is also tied to this choice and is going to do all the due diligence he needs to in order to make what he feels is the best choice for this team. All the other stuff is just media hoopla. Of the 6 positions open, we are the 2nd best one available behind only Denver. SF and Jax are a mess, Rams are stuck with a QB most people are split on in Goff and a terrible OL and lack of talent at WR, and SD best talent is at the tail end of their careers in Gates and Rivers. Denver and the Bills are the two teams that can compete right out the gate. I like what you say here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I think there's a lot here for both sides. Those arguing the Bills Front Office is not dysfunctional have a lot of history working against them. There have been a lot of odd things going on and the team is mired in mediocrity. It could be worse...it would be nice to have a team like Green Bay to root for that don't make you want to hit your head against the wall so often. The media overblows some things. For example, the organizational chart doesn't have to look a certain way but the way in which decisions are made should be productive. Leaks at high levels, seemingly passive-aggressive behavior, lack of trust and power struggles appear to be part of the Bills issues and certainly give the media lots to write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Press conference was the most smug Whaley i've seen in a while, media hates him because he doesn't care about giving them stories. If you don't believe me, just look at Graham and Rodaks twitter over the past few days Does it bother you, in the slightest, that Odell Beckham jr. handled media questions better than Whaley did this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Still waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 i wish you guys had the 'thanks' or 'kudos' or whatever feature. most of the posts in here would get them from me what is it going to take for most of us to realize we have entered the golden age of clicks in our media? truth is irrelevant, its salaciousness that completely rules the day. we have it all over our politics now, doesnt matter how bald faced the lie is, just say it and half the ppl will believe it to their deaths its sickening. at least with something like sports it doesnt matter. but its certainly not limited to that. ppl are literally dying on a routine basis bc our media enterprizes cant even bother to try to tell the truth on anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 i wish you guys had the 'thanks' or 'kudos' or whatever feature. most of the posts in here would get them from me what is it going to take for most of us to realize we have entered the golden age of clicks in our media? truth is irrelevant, its salaciousness that completely rules the day. we have it all over our politics now, doesnt matter how bald faced the lie is, just say it and half the ppl will believe it to their deaths its sickening. at least with something like sports it doesnt matter. but its certainly not limited to that. ppl are literally dying on a routine basis bc our media enterprizes cant even bother to try to tell the truth on anything where have you been brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) I disagree. Whaley did a great job. Many people think he didn't because he gave a lot of BS answers. But that was almost certainly his intent. I do alot of press events. And for the big ones, you always have a PR person give you your "talking points". These are the answers they want you to give, and tell you at every opportunity...go back to it. That's what you say. And then sit and wait for another question. Then give the same answer. Repeat until someone tells you that to leave. The answers I bolded are almost certainly PR-provided responses that he continually came back to. There are a few others he had as well. But, I guarantee he was given these answers and probably even rehearsed types of questions and when to use them. Does it give the press the answers they want... No. Does it give the public the answers they want... No. But, it gets him out of there without doing any addtional damage... Usually. And its how all big organizations typically handle press conferences, especially likely combative ones. This contradiction just blew up right in your face. You can't say Whaley did a great job by using scripted answers designed to get through a press conference without doing any damage as your example when Whaley's scripted answers set off a dumpster fire as big as anything we've seen in recent years! Edited January 6, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Does it bother you, in the slightest, that Odell Beckham jr. handled media questions better than Whaley did this week? I'd kind of have to see OBJ being asked analogous questions in an analogous style to have an opinion on that point This contradiction just blew up right in your face. You can't say Whaley did a great job by using scripted answers designed to get through a press conference without doing any damage as your example when Whaley's scripted answers set off a dumpster fire as big as anything we've seen in recent years! I kind of picture it as a wolf pack attacking a caribou. Bad outcome for the caribou. Bad outcome for the wolves only if they're trying to sell themselves as gentlemen professionals, if they wanna be wolves they're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I kind of picture it as a wolf pack attacking a caribou. Bad outcome for the caribou. Bad outcome for the wolves only if they're trying to sell themselves as gentlemen professionals, if they wanna be wolves they're good. So you're saying Whaley wants to be perceived as incompetent, unaccountable, powerless and insecure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 So you're saying Whaley wants to be perceived as incompetent, unaccountable, powerless and insecure? Do you think the chosen caribou wants to be perceived as prey? I think you're misunderstanding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Whaley and Pegs should tailgate with us this year. We might like them better if they throw themselves into a bus, a fire, or table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklnpete Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What a joke! No, seriously, I thought this whole thread was a a goof, an ironic take on some poor fools who would actually defend One Bills Drive and blame "The Media" for all the problems surrounding the Bills. Yeah, it's Jerry Sullivan and Tim Graham's fault the Bills are approaching two decades of futility. Gimme a break All these "media" bashers are the same ones who who'll go weak in the knees when the next con-man rides into town promising to 'Make Buffalo Great Again." Yeah, those elitist media types have lost touch with the regular guy...better to listen to the millionaires and their cronies. Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What a joke! No, seriously, I thought this whole thread was a a goof, an ironic take on some poor fools who would actually defend One Bills Drive and blame "The Media" for all the problems surrounding the Bills. Yeah, it's Jerry Sullivan and Tim Graham's fault the Bills are approaching two decades of futility. Gimme a break All these "media" bashers are the same ones who who'll go weak in the knees when the next con-man rides into town promising to 'Make Buffalo Great Again." Yeah, those elitist media types have lost touch with the regular guy...better to listen to the millionaires and their cronies. Sounds familiar. Now, now, Mrs. Sullivan, rein it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Yeah, those elitist media types have lost touch with the regular guy...better to listen to the millionaires and their cronies. I think they have, actually. I think they're so caught up in trying to compete with the immediacy of social media (reporters who tweet, without needing to vet sources) and "clickbait" online articles, that they've lost touch with the tastes of the audience that actually pays for media by purchasing papers and listening to radio shows. Maybe that audience actually does have an appetite for a balanced, well written article, would like information about a variety of topics, and doesn't enjoy the spectacle of a group of reporters who lack background on organizational structure, ask rude questions like "what exactly do you do", and make statements about decisions instead of asking questions. It is possible to pursue a "hot" topic and even interview someone who is deceptive or at best not forthcoming, without descending to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 i wish you guys had the 'thanks' or 'kudos' or whatever feature. most of the posts in here would get them from me what is it going to take for most of us to realize we have entered the golden age of clicks in our media? truth is irrelevant, its salaciousness that completely rules the day. we have it all over our politics now, doesnt matter how bald faced the lie is, just say it and half the ppl will believe it to their deaths its sickening. at least with something like sports it doesnt matter. but its certainly not limited to that. ppl are literally dying on a routine basis bc our media enterprizes cant even bother to try to tell the truth on anything Definitely kudos to this. Especially that last paragraph. These asshats are at least fun and games. The important media has blood on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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