Big Turk Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Interesting... http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr He was 7th last year for comparison... 70.3 versus 65.9 this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Such a silly stat. Any stat where Taylor is ahead of Big Ben, Carr, and Russell Wilson is just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Such a silly stat. Any stat where Taylor is ahead of Big Ben, Carr, and Russell Wilson is just crazy. There have been a lot of games this year that they have been downright bad in for long stretches...Carr has been bad in a lot of the games until the 4th quarter so its not all that surprising to be honest...would I rather have Taylor than either of those 3? No. But those 3 players have been pretty inconsistent for much of this year as well...Roethlesberger has killed me in fantasy this year, for instance...he wasn't putting up much more than 18-20 points in most games... Edited December 21, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 There have been a lot of games this year that they have been downright bad in for long stretches...Carr has been bad in a lot of the games until the 4th quarter so its not all that surprising to be honest...would I rather have Taylor than either of those 3? No. But those 3 players have been pretty inconsistent for much of this year as well...Roethlesberger has killed me in fantasy this year, for instance...he wasn't putting up much more than 18-20 points in most games... Those guys have to carry their teams. Like if they don't put up 25+ points, their team is probably my going to lose. They have completely different jobs than Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Interesting... http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr He was 7th last year for comparison... 70.3 versus 65.9 this year... I thought QBR had been discredited as a meaningful stat? It had its critics from the start: "Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers' Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers, Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com wrote that he'll "continue to ignore ESPN’s Total QBR stat."[12] Rodgers himself was surprised: "I saw the [QBR stats] and chuckled to myself. I played a full game, [Tebow] played the half. He completed four passes, I completed 26. I think it incorporates QB runs as well ... The weighting of it doesn't make a whole lot of sense."[13]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I thought QBR had been discredited as a meaningful stat? It had its critics from the start: "Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers' Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers, Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com wrote that he'll "continue to ignore ESPNs Total QBR stat."[12] Rodgers himself was surprised: "I saw the [QBR stats] and chuckled to myself. I played a full game, [Tebow] played the half. He completed four passes, I completed 26. I think it incorporates QB runs as well ... The weighting of it doesn't make a whole lot of sense."[13]" Tebow >>>>> Rodgers Certain stats just don't work in football. I think a stat that shows how much a qb has to carry a team is important. Drew Brees knows he has to score 30 points a game because his defense is terrible. On the flip side, Russell Wilson knows if can score 17+, he must likely win most games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Those guys have to carry their teams. Like if they don't put up 25+ points, their team is probably my going to lose. They have completely different jobs than Taylor. Huh? What do you think Taylor has done? Buffalo has scored 358 points this year. Only Oakland has scored more of those 3 teams. They have 377, Pittsburgh has 341, and Seattle has 298... Bills have scored 25+ points 9 times... Again, only Oakland has scored 25+ more times at 10...Seattle is at 7 and Pittsburgh is at 6... Bills D has given up more points than all those teams except Oakland, which is why this might be a flash in the pan type of year for them...they have won a lot of close, late games and typically you see certain teams do that in a season but don't follow it up the next year...Carolina last year did it, now they lose those games...Chicago did it under Kyle Orton one year going 13-3 but then fell back to average or bewlo average record the next year...same with Green Bay and Don Majkowski back in the day...the Cardiac Pack they were nicknamed...that model of winning isn't sustainable year to year, so unless their defense gets tightened up significantly they are looking at falling back to 8-8 or 9-7 next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 There have been a lot of games this year that they have been downright bad in for long stretches...Carr has been bad in a lot of the games until the 4th quarter so its not all that surprising to be honest...would I rather have Taylor than either of those 3? No. But those 3 players have been pretty inconsistent for much of this year as well...Roethlesberger has killed me in fantasy this year, for instance...he wasn't putting up much more than 18-20 points in most games... Tyrod's ability to produce big plays/TD's with his feet kinda' keeps him from having utterly futile days we'd see on occasion from guys like Fitz/Trent. He hasn't been "found out" on film or anything. Defenses have put a bit more focus on defending the sidelines this year but while the windows are a bit smaller they are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 Tyrod's ability to produce big plays/TD's with his feet kinda' keeps him from having utterly futile days we'd see on occasion from guys like Fitz/Trent. He hasn't been "found out" on film or anything. Defenses have put a bit more focus on defending the sidelines this year but while the windows are a bit smaller they are still there. They also prevent us from having truly "bad" days on offense like a lot of teams do when their QB isn't throwing the ball well...we have only had 3 games this year when we haven't scored 20 points or more, which I have to believe is one of the best in the NFL...its just too bad the D hasn't played up to par very often this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 They also prevent us from having truly "bad" days on offense like a lot of teams do when their QB isn't throwing the ball well...we have only had 3 games this year when we haven't scored 20 points or more, which I have to believe is one of the best in the NFL...its just too bad the D hasn't played up to par very often this year... That is a good point. Taylor definitely seems to have a decent floor. I just worry he doesn't really have much of a ceiling. It's depressing to think if we fall behind by a touchdown or the run game isn't working, we're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 32nd passing attack in the NFL and we're proud that he's not even in the top 10 of the most meaningless stat ever created. Are you guys even watching the games? If you are, how many times in a row do you need to see our QB completely get shut down with the game on the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 They also prevent us from having truly "bad" days on offense like a lot of teams do when their QB isn't throwing the ball well...we have only had 3 games this year when we haven't scored 20 points or more, which I have to believe is one of the best in the NFL...its just too bad the D hasn't played up to par very often this year... Tyrod was very productive but clearly flawed last year and instead of making adding weapons to his arsenal the top priority they subtracted and expected him to do more with less. The additions were focused......naturally.......on Rex's pride and joy defense. The right thing to do was find a way to get a big 1A quality WR across from Watkins and let Tyrod develop within the system doing the two things he does very well.......throw deep and orchestrate a running game. It's plausible at least that after a 2-3 full seasons in the same offense he could improve wrt to knowing where and when to go with the football on intermediate throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) This is one of those stats that I see and for a second I think ' maybe Taylor isn't that bad'. Then I read more and remember what I know 'Taylor isn't the answer'. Edited December 21, 2016 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) 32nd passing attack in the NFL and we're proud that he's not even in the top 10 of the most meaningless stat ever created. Are you guys even watching the games? If you are, how many times in a row do you need to see our QB completely get shut down with the game on the line? I'd counter by saying how many games do other QBs not even get to that point because they are getting beat 30-3 or something like that? Even the good teams...Pittsburgh got blown out 34-3 against Philly...Seattle just got manhandled by Green Bay like 38-10 or something... when was the last time the Bills got completely destroyed and blown out like that even when the offense isn't playing particularly well...you could point to the Patriot game but even that was a 2 score game...it rarely happens In fact...the Bills have lost only 3 times by more than one score in games Taylor played in, none of those by more than 2 scores...and that included a Giants game when they had 2 TD's called back on questionable penalties, and after the Giant's RB stepped ot of bounds clearly on replay on that pass to the RB where Bradham missed a tackle for a 3 yard loss... that's pretty good compared to most teams in the league..probably top 5 or top 10...we just need to figure out ways to win those games...whether its from the offense scoring, the defense stopping or the special teams winning the game... Edited December 21, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 32nd passing attack in the NFL and we're proud that he's not even in the top 10 of the most meaningless stat ever created. Are you guys even watching the games? If you are, how many times in a row do you need to see our QB completely get shut down with the game on the line? Do you know how high Greg Roman's offenses have ranked for passing attacks? 2011 - ranked 29 2012 - ranked 23 2013 - ranked 30 2014 - ranked 30 2015 - ranked 28 2016 - ranked 31 so far Yep. That is clearly 100% Tyrod's fault. Stop pretending this is an awesome passing offense that Tyrod simply can't execute. No quarterback has ever executed a Greg Roman passing attack to any meaningful success. No quarterback ever. In 6 years. Not one. In fact the words Greg Roman and Passing Attack are Oxymorons. But yeah. Tyrod sucks. Cut him. Let's replace him with some random schlep off the street. They will be better for sure. Any rookie will do. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Another stat that shows Buffalo's offense in the top half of the league, another thread where people say it isn't good enough. The defense is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Pittsburgh game was arguably the worst game of his career. He put up a 100.1 rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Russell Wilson's O has scored 6 and 5 points in two seperate games this season. And 10 twice. Edited December 21, 2016 by moshermw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Do you know how high Greg Roman's offenses have ranked for passing attacks? 2011 - ranked 29 2012 - ranked 23 2013 - ranked 30 2014 - ranked 30 2015 - ranked 28 2016 - ranked 31 so far Yep. That is clearly 100% Tyrod's fault. Stop pretending this is an awesome passing offense that Tyrod simply can't execute. No quarterback has ever executed a Greg Roman passing attack to any meaningful success. No quarterback ever. In 6 years. Not one. In fact the words Greg Roman and Passing Attack are Oxymorons. But yeah. Tyrod sucks. Cut him. Let's replace him with some random schlep off the street. They will be better for sure. Any rookie will do. Doh! So...now Tyrod was put into a position to fail? I'm honestly struggling to keep up with these excuses. I'd counter by saying how many games do other QBs not even get to that point because they are getting beat 30-3 or something like that? Even the good teams...Pittsburgh got blown out 34-3 against Philly...Seattle just got manhandled by Green Bay like 38-10 or something... when was the last time the Bills got completely destroyed and blown out like that even when the offense isn't playing particularly well...you could point to the Patriot game but even that was a 2 score game...it rarely happens In fact...the Bills have lost only 3 times by more than one score in games Taylor played in, none of those by more than 2 scores...and that included a Giants game when they had 2 TD's called back on questionable penalties, and after the Giant's RB stepped ot of bounds clearly on replay on that pass to the RB where Bradham missed a tackle for a 3 yard loss... that's pretty good compared to most teams in the league..probably top 5 or top 10...we just need to figure out ways to win those games...whether its from the offense scoring, the defense stopping or the special teams winning the game... Tyrod is great because he rarely gets blown out? Isn't that just the same thing as praising him for his lack of interceptions while ignoring his lack of touchdowns? The style of play might be ultra conservative just to keep us in it, but when we're down and the other team knows its time to pass he is dreadful. Same situation, Derek Carr thrives. It's hard to defend the QB that keeps it close but can't find a way to overcome deficits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Give him the money. Pay him. He will be # 1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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