The Johnson Thread

[Tiberius]

So are Libertarians against helping then poor?

Yes

[GG]

Stars are aligning for a 3rd party push

 

Americans are growing increasingly curious about their third-party options, search data and recent polls show, as both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump look likely to reach the general election as the most unpopular presidential nominees in modern history.

 

 

More than half of registered voters in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll who said they plan to cast ballots for Mrs. Clinton this fall say their decision is more about opposing Mr. Trump than supporting the likely Democratic nominee. A slightly larger share of Trump backers says the same about their vote for the Republican candidate.

That finding underscores just how discouraged many voters are about the likely choices in a general-election showdown that would pit the two least-popular presidential candidates in modern history in a race already defined by frustration and anger over the status quo.

 

[Chef Jim]

Yes

Jesus Christ dude. Thank you! Was it really that hard?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh BTW your absolutely wrong as usual.

Stars are aligning for a 3rd party push

 

 

This is very interesting. Now if the other parties can get their **** together and use this as a way to make somethings if themselves.

 

It's kind of like here in Oakland. With SF screwing the pooch with insane business environment and real estate prices. It is a golden opportunity for the "other city by the bay" and it's starting to work.

[Tiberius]

Jesus Christ dude. Thank you! Was it really that hard?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh BTW your absolutely wrong as usual.

 

Oh, great evidence there

 

 

[Chef Jim]

Oh, great evidence there

 

 

If you were given a dollar for dollar tax credit would you give more money to charities that help the poor? I know I would.

[Tiberius]

If you were given a dollar for dollar tax credit would you give more money to charities that help the poor? I know I would.

See, Hoover was all about private charity. You are proving my original point

[TakeYouToTasker]

It is important to note here that government intervention caused the Great Depression in the first place, and then to note that FDR's policies actually extended the depression all the way out to WWII.

[Tiberius]

It is important to note here that government intervention caused the Great Depression in the first place, and then to note that FDR's policies actually extended the depression all the way out to WWII.

Really? What government intervention cause it?

[Chef Jim]

See, Hoover was all about private charity. You are proving my original point

 

So you're going with this to prove your point?

 

Ok riddle me this bat boy. How many years have we used the government to "solve" the poverty problem in this country? How well has it worked?

 

How many years have we spent incentivizing the public to privately fund programs to help the poor? Not by giving them handouts but to provide them with the motivation (i.e. education and knowledge) to make a better life for themselves. The great society "experiment" has failed. Wouldn't you agree?

[Deranged Rhino]

Hovers response to the Great Depression was basically libertarian and he was going to let thousands simply starve to death.

 

 

Please explain to us what Hoover did that makes him a libertarian?

 

 

Nothing. That's the point

 

 

See, Hoover was all about private charity. You are proving my original point

 

 

To be fair, you never really had much of an original point as your double talking above demonstrates.

[frostbitmic]

In a race between Hillary and Trump I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

[sodbuster]

In a race between Hillary and Trump I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

Freedom lovers appreciate your vote.

[/dev/null]

In a race between Hillary and Trump I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

 

 

Freedom lovers appreciate your vote.

 

Feel the Johnson

[DC Tom]

 

 

 

Feel the Johnson

 

I hope he doesn't pick Sanders as a running mate. I'd hate to feel the Johnson Bern.

[Azalin]

 

I hope he doesn't pick Sanders as a running mate. I'd hate to feel the Johnson Bern.

 

In related news, it's being reported that Eric Holder may be a possible running mate, creating the Johnson-Holder ticket.

[Greg F]

In response to this question:

Please explain to us what Hoover did that makes him a libertarian?

Gator, who wouldn't let a fact get in the way of his beliefs, wrote:

 

Nothing. That's the point

Here is "nothing":

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1932

 

Revenue Act of 1932

The Revenue Act of 1932 (June 6, 1932, ch. 209, 47 Stat. 169) raised United States tax rates across the board, with the rate on top incomes rising from 25 percent to 63 percent. The estate tax was doubled and corporate taxes were raised by almost 15 percent. The provisions of the act applied to the taxable year of 1932 and all subsequent taxable years.It was signed into law by President Herbert Hoover.

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/CT1970p2-12.pdf

 

Pg 39:

Summary of Federal Government Finances: 1929 to 1970

Under the Hoover Administration Federal outlays increased from $2.9 billion in 1929 to $4.8 billion in 1932. More than a 65% increase in just 4 years.

 

 

Hoover shut the door to immigration

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=22581#axzz1V7klWwZu

 

 

PRESIDENT HOOVER, to protect American workingmen from further competition for positions by new alien immigration during the existing conditions of employment, initiated action last September looking to a material reduction in the number of aliens entering this country. At his request, the Department of State examined the operation of the immigration law and reported that the only important provision of the law useful in the circumstances is that one requiring the exclusion of those who are liable to become public charges. Since then consular officials, charged with the duty of issuing visas to intending immigrants, have carefully examined each applicant. A tabulation completed today shows that during the first 5 months ending February 28, 1931, of the administration of the "likely to become a public charge" provision approximately 96,883 aliens did not receive visas who normally would have immigrated into this country.

 

http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/labor/reforming-labor-union-laws

Friend of Labor Unions:

 

 

This Court decision was made on statutory grounds (interpreting the 1914 Clayton Act), so Congress could reverse it simply by adopting another statute or amending an existing one. Unions tried to get Congress to do so throughout the 1920s, but things didn't start to change until the election of Herbert Hoover in 1928. Hoover supported collective bargaining, and he befriended labor leaders and was accommodating to their demands. Hoover signed into law the Davis-Bacon Act in 1931, and followed up with the Norris-LaGuardia Act in 1932.

 

Congress had two main purposes in passing Davis-Bacon. First, policymakers held the backwards economic idea that the government should stop prices and wages from falling during the Great Depression. Davis-Bacon was designed to keep wages artificially high. Yet falling wages and prices were precisely what were needed for labor markets to adjust to the collapse of real incomes and employment in the early 1930s. (Both prices and wages fell from 1929 to 1933, but prices fell by more than wages. Thus the real cost of hiring workers increased and pushed up unemployment). This economic fallacy about high prices and wages misled both Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt, and it did much to deepen and prolong the Great Depression.

 

Norris-LaGuardia Act of 1932

The Norris-LaGuardia Act made five significant changes to labor law, each strengthening the power of labor unions. First, it made union-free (yellow-dog) contracts unenforceable in federal courts. Second, it prohibited federal judges from issuing any injunctions to interrupt strikes. Third, it gave immunity to labor unions against prosecution under the antitrust laws. Fourth, it gave legal standing to strangers in labor disputes. Fifth, it insulated labor unions as organizations from any prosecution for acts committed by any individual members and officers. These changes are discussed in turn.

Lets not forget:

Agricultural Adjustment Act

National Recovery Administration

Public Works Administration

Reconstruction Finance Corporation

 

And for a comprehensive history of Hoover and how he used government interventionist policy to plunge the country into a depression:

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Americas%20Great%20Depression_3.pdf?file=1&type=document

 

Gator appears to have a different definition of 'nothing'.

[GG]

 

Gator appears to have a different definition of 'nothing'.

 

Stop doing his homework.

 

And don't reply to him

[reddogblitz]

Stop doing his homework.

 

And don't reply to him

I prefer GregF's response much better than a picture of an Ass Hat. I learned something. Nice response GregF, keep 'em coming.

[Tiberius]

In response to this question:

 

Gator, who wouldn't let a fact get in the way of his beliefs, wrote:

 

 

Here is "nothing":

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1932

 

So an act that was passed three years after the depression began started the Depression? Good one!!

In response to this question:

 

Gator, who wouldn't let a fact get in the way of his beliefs, wrote:

 

 

 

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/CT1970p2-12.pdf

 

Pg 39:

Summary of Federal Government Finances: 1929 to 1970

Under the Hoover Administration Federal outlays increased from $2.9 billion in 1929 to $4.8 billion in 1932. More than a 65% increase in just 4 years.

 

You got me there though, he did try some things, but got buried by a Depression that was not started by the government.

 

I appologize, I mixed up your response with someone else's. Its early

 

 

But the point is, a Libertarian would have done even less and it would have been even worse. Libertarianism is a flunky philosophy

[GG]

So an act that was passed three years after the depression began started the Depression? Good one!!

 

 

Where did he say that the Act started the depression?

 

Go away.