JohnC Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 So, the Bills have or will have worked out the top 4 QBs in the draft. For sure, they are doing due diligence. I know that there are some ardent Mahomes fans here, but what other QBs do people like? Watson is intriguing with his leadership and big game moxie, but inaccuracy, turnovers and arm strength are a concern. Trubisky showed that he can make NFL throws, including anticipatory throws, but why was he a backup until this year? It is not uncommon at all for a college QB to look great one year and lose their luster the next - is Trubisky a one year wonder or a great prospect? Deshone Kizer looked great in 2015 and regressed a lot in 2016 when his supporting cast was weaker. He wasn't able to elevate his team without good teammates, but he is very young with a good arm and is reportedly very intelligent. Mahomes has a great arm and sees the field, but it is a wide open spread offense. In the games that I watched, I didn't see the timing/anticipation throws that a NFL QB needs and I saw more than a few jump balls that paid off for him, but could easily be turnovers in the NFL. If you work hard to find faults and emphasize them you can do it with almost all prospects. It is rare to find a gilded qb prospect in any draft. Aaron Rogers is one of the best qbs in the game. There were criticisms of his game coming out of college. Derek Carr had questions about his game. He has turned out to be one of the best upcoming qbs in the game. Russell Wilson had every quality one would want out of a qb prospect other than height. How do you think he would look in a Buffalo uniform? Kirk Cousins wasn't an elite prospect. It took time to develop his game. There was talk that Buddy Nix was eyeing him in the upcoming round before Washington took him even after drafting Griffin with their first pick in the same draft year. The pick that could have been used on him was used on a track receiver from North Carolina State who was a bust. It was reported that Whaley liked Prescott last year. Instead he used a third round pick on Washington, a lazy and immature DT from Ohio State. I don't know about your preference but I would have preferred Prescott over Washington. My point is dithering and not acting with urgency on the qb issue is one of the prime reasons why this is a failed franchise. So what is the clarion call that many people are advocating for? Continue doing that which has led this franchise to being a generational failure. How does that make sense? It makes no rational sense for a franchise that hasn't had a franchise qb for over two decades to be so reluctant to draft a high ranking qb prospect because of some flaws. Flaws to an extent that exist in all qbs eligible for the draft. Dithering is not a solution; it is the problem. If the qb that Buffalo drafts selects with a high pick turns out to be an average franchise qb I can assure you that that player would have a greater positive impact than drafting a safety or corner who turn out to be an all-pro player. This cowardly cautiousness to drafting a qb has gotten to the level of an organizational neuroses. What's perplexing is that so many people ardently support the Jauron/Levy mentality to roster building? If more than a generation of mediocrity is not enough to change your minds then nothing will. The line you are standing in is the line I am proudly not standing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 @Gil_Brandt Putting together my top 100 players in this draft and just noticed I have 4 Alabama players in my top 14 and 7 of top 49. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 John MurphyVerified account @JohnMurphyShow 3m3 minutes ago More .@KwEspn on Bills 1st rd pick "I think eventually they will end up trying to get a QB at that spot. If not, WR Corey Davis could fit there." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 If you work hard to find faults and emphasize them you can do it with almost all prospects. It is rare to find a gilded qb prospect in any draft. Aaron Rogers is one of the best qbs in the game. There were criticisms of his game coming out of college. Derek Carr had questions about his game. He has turned out to be one of the best upcoming qbs in the game. Russell Wilson had every quality one would want out of a qb prospect other than height. How do you think he would look in a Buffalo uniform? Kirk Cousins wasn't an elite prospect. It took time to develop his game. There was talk that Buddy Nix was eyeing him in the upcoming round before Washington took him even after drafting Griffin with their first pick in the same draft year. The pick that could have been used on him was used on a track receiver from North Carolina State who was a bust. It was reported that Whaley liked Prescott last year. Instead he used a third round pick on Washington, a lazy and immature DT from Ohio State. I don't know about your preference but I would have preferred Prescott over Washington. My point is dithering and not acting with urgency on the qb issue is one of the prime reasons why this is a failed franchise. So what is the clarion call that many people are advocating for? Continue doing that which has led this franchise to being a generational failure. How does that make sense? It makes no rational sense for a franchise that hasn't had a franchise qb for over two decades to be so reluctant to draft a high ranking qb prospect because of some flaws. Flaws to an extent that exist in all qbs eligible for the draft. Dithering is not a solution; it is the problem. If the qb that Buffalo drafts selects with a high pick turns out to be an average franchise qb I can assure you that that player would have a greater positive impact than drafting a safety or corner who turn out to be an all-pro player. This cowardly cautiousness to drafting a qb has gotten to the level of an organizational neuroses. What's perplexing is that so many people ardently support the Jauron/Levy mentality to roster building? If more than a generation of mediocrity is not enough to change your minds then nothing will. The line you are standing in is the line I am proudly not standing in. I'm with you until the final paragraph. What's the Levy mentality to roster building? Marv didn't have to seek a quarterback, he had Kelly and Reich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I'm with you until the final paragraph. What's the Levy mentality to roster building? Marv didn't have to seek a quarterback, he had Kelly and Reich. I'm assuming he means when Levy was the GM during the Dick Jauron years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 @RobQuinn619 Buffalo Bills pre-2017 NFL draft interest tracker http://usat.ly/2mZoHAW via @thebillswire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I'm with you until the final paragraph. What's the Levy mentality to roster building? Marv didn't have to seek a quarterback, he had Kelly and Reich. When he took over for Donahoe and became the GM with Jauron as his coaching hire they made drafting defensive backs a priority. Their approach is that defense starts with the back end as a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Here's the one I always look at: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860 Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games. Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch. Always thought Stafford was 6'5", guess not. John MurphyVerified account @JohnMurphyShow 3m3 minutes agoMore .@KwEspn on Bills 1st rd pick "I think eventually they will end up trying to get a QB at that spot. If not, WR Corey Davis could fit there." just when I think we are going defense. I used to think that all this stuff is smokescreens but with the Bills the rumors tend to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 My latest top-100...there may be some minor movement, but for the most part this is locked in: 1 Myles Garrett - EDGE/Texas A&M 2 Malik Hooker - S/Ohio State 3 Jamal Adams - S/LSU 4 Marshon Lattimore - CB/Ohio State 5 Solomon Thomas - DL/Stanford 6 Jonathan Allen - DL/Alabama 7 Leonard Fournette - RB/LSU 8 Reuben Foster - LB/Alabama 9 Christian McCaffrey - RB/Stanford 10 O.J. Howard - TE/Alabama 11 Corey Davis - WR/Western Michigan 12 Charles Harris - EDGE/Missouri 13 Gareon Conley - CB/Ohio State 14 Haason Reddick - LB/Temple 15 John Ross - WR/Washington 16 Forrest Lamp - OG/Western Kentucky 17 Budda Baker - S/Washington 18 Jarrad Davis - LB/Florida 19 Mike Williams - WR/Clemson 20 Patrick Mahomes - QB/Texas Tech 21 Derek Barnett - EDGE/Tennessee 22 Marlon Humphrey - CB/Alabama 23 Garrett Bolles - OT/Utah 24 Dalvin Cook - RB/Florida State 25 David Njoku - TE/Miami 26 Mitchell Trubisky - QB/North Carolina 27 Malik McDowell - DL/Michigan 28 Tre'Davious White - CB/LSU 29 Taco Charlton - EDGE/Michigan 30 Fabian Moreau - CB/UCLA 31 Ryan Ramczyk - OT/Wisconsin 32 Josh Jones - S/NC State 33 DeShaun Watson - QB/Clemson 34 Caleb Brantley - DL/Florida 35 Quincy Wilson - CB/Florida 36 Zach Cunningham - LB/Vanderbilt 37 Takkarist McKinley - EDGE/UCLA 38 T.J. Watt - LB/Wisconsin 39 Adam Shaheen - TE/Ashland 40 Kevin King - CB/Washington 41 Jabrill Peppers - S/Michigan 42 DeShone Kizer - QB/Notre Dame 43 Tyus Bowser - EDGE/Houston 44 Obi Melifonwu - S/UConn 45 Chidobe Awuzie - CB/Colorado 46 Zay Jones - WR/East Carolina 47 Jordan Willis - EDGE/Kansas State 48 Tim Williams - EDGE/Alabama 49 Adoree' Jackson - CB/USC 50 Desmond King - S/Iowa 51 Derek Rivers - EDGE/Youngstown State 52 Larry Ogunjobi - DT/UNC-Charlotte 53 Demarcus Walker - DL/Florida State 54 Cam Robinson - OT/Alabama 55 Cooper Kupp - WR/Eastern Washington 56 Dan Feeney - OG/Indiana 57 Davis Webb - QB/California 58 Ryan Anderson - EDGE/Alabama 59 Raekwon McMillan - LB/Ohio State 60 Alvin Kamara - RB/Tennessee 61 Marcus Williams - S/Utah 62 Howard Wilson - CB/Houston 63 Tanoh Kpassagnon - DL/Villanova 64 JuJu Smith-Schuster - WR/USC 65 Cordrea Tankersly - CB/Clemson 66 Evan Engram - TE/Ole Miss 67 Jalen Tabor - CB/Florida 68 Sidney Jones - CB/Washington 69 Alex Anzalone - LB/Florida 70 Carl Lawson - EDGE/Auburn 71 Rasul Douglas - CB/West Virginia 72 Jake Butt - TE/Michigan 73 Ahkello Witherspoon - CB/Colorado 74 Justin Evans - S/Texas A&M 75 Jourdan Lewis - CB/Michigan 76 Chris Godwin - WR/Penn State 77 Joe Mixon - RB/Oklahoma 78 Antonio Garcia - OT/Troy 79 Marcus Maye - S/Florida 80 Ethan Pocic - C/LSU 81 Curtis Samuel - RB-WR/Ohio State 82 Nate Hairston - CB/Temple 83 Cam Sutton - CB/Tennessee 84 Eddie Vanderdoes - DT/UCLA 85 Pat Elflein - C/Ohio State 86 Gerald Everett - TE/South Alabama 87 Anthony Walker - LB/Northwestern 88 Josh Reynolds - WR/Texas A&M 89 Dorian Johnson - OG/Pittsburgh 90 George Kittle - TE/Iowa 91 Jalen Robinette - WR/Air Force 92 Samaje Perine - RB/Oklahoma 93 Dion Dawkins - OG/Temple 94 D'Onta Foreman - RB/Texas 95 Bucky Hodges - TE/Virginia Tech 96 Jarron Jones - DT/Notre Dame 97 Jeremiah Ledbetter - DL/Arkansas 98 Tedric Thompson - S/Colorado 99 Kendell Beckwith - LB/LSU 100 Nathan Peterman - QB/Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 @JoshNorris Top 50 prospects for the 2017 NFL Draft: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/71270/325/norris-top-50-big-board Including my Top 32 Big Board @si_nfl Who's the top draft prospect at every position? @ChrisBurke_SI's rankings: http://on.si.com/2o3cF6d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Sweet spot of the draft looks like spots 40-80. The talent slots very well for 2nd, 3rd round picks, makes me wish the Bills had more picks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 The number of Chad Kelly threads are starting to overtake Mahomes. Save us Magical Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 @rapsheet Combine medical re-checks are this week & #Bama LB Reuben Foster was asked back after his incident. His shoulder has full range of motion Big names at Combine re-checks: John Ross, Corey Davis, Takk McKinley, Jake Butt, Ryan Ramczyk. Sidney Jones will send in scans (no travel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 @billsupdates 2017 NFL Mock Draft: Pro Football Focus has Buffalo #Bills landing #Alabama DL Jonathan Allen http://bit.ly/2o0bHqp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 @ESPNNFL Need a quarterback? Here's where Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay have this year's top QBs going. (via @SportsCenter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Watson and Trubisky both average out to 9.5 -- rounding up . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 @aaron_wilsonNFL Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes, TE Tyler Scalzi, FB Luke Stice worked out Mon. for Bills' Terry Pegula, Sean McDermott, Jim Monos, per source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 @aaron_wilsonNFL Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes, TE Tyler Scalzi, FB Luke Stice worked out Mon. for Bills' Terry Pegula, Sean McDermott, Jim Monos, per source Whaley was also in attendance per Buscaglia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Here's my latest Fanspeak draft. It turned out nicely I thought. Sorry guys, no Mahomes. 10: R1P10 S JAMAL ADAMS LSU 44: R2P12 CB TRE'DAVIOUS WHITE LSU 75: R3P11 WR CHRIS GODWIN PENN STATE 156: R5P12 OT CONOR MCDERMOTT UCLA 171: R5P27 QB JOSHUA DOBBS TENNESSEE 195: R6P11 TE COLE HIKUTINI LOUISVILLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 @aaron_wilsonNFL Texas Tech QB Patrick Mahomes, TE Tyler Scalzi, FB Luke Stice worked out Mon. for Bills' Terry Pegula, Sean McDermott, Jim Monos, per source new GM ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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