26CornerBlitz Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 @TheDraftWire 2017 NFL Draft Watch List: Interior Defensive Linemen https://t.co/7KAoTAl7I0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Gee, that is a very impressive group of RB's. I noticed how many were Juniors, so the question is, how many of them will declare. Is Nick Chubb going to be the same after that horrifying injury last year? Word fromAthens is he will be back 100%. Chubb is a hard worker, I think he wil be all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 @TheNFLAdvisory Top possible 2017 comp pick teams: DEN=2 Rd3, Rd4-5 MIA=Rd3, Rd4 CLE=Rd3, 2 Rd4, Rd5 Opens Rd3-4 picks for trade ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I shouted "Where have you been all my life?". This statement and the # of games you apparently watch to gain insights on players tell me that you are single. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) This statement and the # of games you apparently watch to gain insights on players tell me that you are single. It's by choice. Granted, it's the choice of the entire female population but a choice nonetheless! Early days with this QB bunch but you guys need to watch Baker Mayfield. For every 'short' QB that gets the Russ comp, he's the closest one to being worthy for me. Edited May 14, 2016 by Blokestradamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 It's by choice. Granted, it's the choice of the entire female population but a choice nonetheless! Early days with this QB bunch but you guys need to watch Baker Mayfield. For every 'short' QB that gets the Russ comp, he's the closest one to being worthy for me. His improvisation reminds me of Maziel at A&M. He's a better passer though. He is a fun player to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 His improvisation reminds me of Maziel at A&M. He's a better passer though. He is a fun player to watch. He really does give off that JFF vibe, superior intellect though. Johnny didn't know when to attack and when to be conservative. Only 7 QB's in (seniors only) but he's the clear frontrunner thus far. Makes some utterly jawdropping throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 It's by choice. Granted, it's the choice of the entire female population but a choice nonetheless! Early days with this QB bunch but you guys need to watch Baker Mayfield. For every 'short' QB that gets the Russ comp, he's the closest one to being worthy for me. I watched Watson play 6 or 7 times last year and the guy is impressive. He reminds me of a smaller version of Cam. Not quite as tall and about 40lbs lighter right now, but the same talent level like Cam in college. The guy can run AND throw the football. Kaaya? Ehhhhhhh, idk. The guy hasn't really done anything to be in the discussion if you ask me, but what do I know. Kelly I don't trust because of his immaturity issues, but we'll see how he does this year. Another guy I think people may be sleeping on is Baker Mayfield. He had a couple of tough games last year, but if he shows improvement this season coming off of a solid year last then he could be in the 1st Round equation. After that I think you have a bunch of developmental guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 Great minds think alike. Has all the tools to succeed. I think you'd already see people falling over themselves to praise him if he was 6'4", 230lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 @NFL_CFB 5 schools that could dominate the 2017 #NFLDraft (via @chad_reuter) --> http://on.nfl.com/1OtcqHQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 It's by choice. Granted, it's the choice of the entire female population but a choice nonetheless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 There's a world of work to be done before April of 2017, but I will say this: as of today, the best draft-eligible player I've watched to date is FSU's Demarcus Walker. He is an absolute terror. I got bored and put Miami/FSU on to watch Kaaya. You weren't kidding, Walker is pretty damn good. Those hands are just brutal. I quite like Miami's RG Danny Isidora and Walker worked him over when they got matched up. Got a bit of bend to him for a guy that size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 It's by choice. Granted, it's the choice of the entire female population but a choice nonetheless! Early days with this QB bunch but you guys need to watch Baker Mayfield. For every 'short' QB that gets the Russ comp, he's the closest one to being worthy for me. No, they told you it was them or football and ... He really does give off that JFF vibe, superior intellect though. Johnny didn't know when to attack and when to be conservative. Only 7 QB's in (seniors only) but he's the clear frontrunner thus far. Makes some utterly jawdropping throws. Your not concerned about the spread offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) Your not concerned about the spread offense? I have to admit, I'm less worried about the spread concepts than I used to be. They are firmly entrenched in the NFL now. Also, not every scheme is the same. For instance, I pretty much abhore Baylor from a pro prospect standpoint because it's far too removed from the reality of the NFL. Receivers coached not to block, they essentially run 4 routes and there's almost zero responsibility on the backside of the play. Their QB's are pretty much plug and play idiots with big arms that don't know a thing about progressions or dealing with pressure. Lincoln Riley is a Mike Leach protege and Oklahoma run a full Air Raid attack now. It's similar to what Cal ran with Jared Goff. Of course there's quite a few single read or half-field read plays where the ball is out so fast that it's pretty clearly pre-determined (Mayfield does what Mariota did, throws smokes/screens so fast he doesn't bother with the laces half the time to speed the process up). Where guys like Goff and Mayfield are different is their skills from the neck up, they translate to any scheme. They can process information quickly, handle the pocket, execute multiple reads. I remember Mayfield's first game at Texas Tech vividly because I wrote him off as the typical Air Raid QB. Big arm, throws a lot of vertical routes. The guy that finished the 2015 season is a lot more accomplished than the freshman that threw all over SMU. The telltale sign of a good QB in a spread scheme is watching what happens when the first read is taken away. The guys that can operate then are worth your time. I can't stress enough to judge the player and not the scheme. Understand what the scheme is set up for by all means, know that most guys in those schemes have an inherent weakness or disadvantage. Edited May 14, 2016 by Blokestradamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I have to admit, I'm less worried about the spread concepts than I used to be. They are firmly entrenched in the NFL now. Also, not every scheme is the same. For instance, I pretty much abhore Baylor from a pro prospect standpoint because it's far too removed from the reality of the NFL. Receivers coached not to block, they essentially run 4 routes and there's almost zero responsibility on the backside of the play. Their QB's are pretty much plug and play idiots with big arms that don't know a thing about progressions or dealing with pressure. Lincoln Riley is a Mike Leach protege and Oklahoma run a full Air Raid attack now. It's similar to what Cal ran with Jared Goff. Of course there's quite a few single read or half-field read plays where the ball is out so fast that it's pretty clearly pre-determined (Mayfield does what Mariota did, throws smokes/screens so fast he doesn't bother with the laces half the time to speed the process up). Where guys like Goff and Mayfield are different is their skills from the neck up, they translate to any scheme. They can process information quickly, handle the pocket, execute multiple reads. I remember Mayfield's first game at Texas Tech vividly because I wrote him off as the typical Air Raid QB. Big arm, throws a lot of vertical routes. The guy that finished the 2015 season is a lot more accomplished than the freshman that threw all over SMU. The telltale sign of a good QB in a spread scheme is watching what happens when the first read is taken away. The guys that can operate then are worth your time. I can't stress enough to judge the player and not the scheme. Understand what the scheme is set up for by all means, know that most guys in those schemes have an inherent weakness or disadvantage. I used to not worry about the spread figuring it didn't matter but so far it has been a HUGE obstacle to overcome. Look how long it took Cam and he is still in a run oriented scheme (plus he's a little b!tch but that's a different story) I hope your right but we shall see if Goff and others can overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 I used to not worry about the spread figuring it didn't matter but so far it has been a HUGE obstacle to overcome. Look how long it took Cam and he is still in a run oriented scheme (plus he's a little b!tch but that's a different story) I hope your right but we shall see if Goff and others can overcome. I think the NFL needs to go through another stage in its evolution. It's going more and more pass-heavy, now it needs to embrace the new era of college QB's. Focus more on what they can do than what they can't. If they don't, the league is facing a severe recruitment issue at its premier position. The true pro-style QB's are rare, finding good ones is even rarer. 18 guys on my QB watch list, I think 2-3 come from established pro-style schemes. I'm curious to watch the progression of Mariota and Goff. I think Mariota had a decent rookie year given how bad his protection was at times. They seem like the right kind of guys to find success and change some opinions. I'll remain bullish on what I think are the right players until I see enough evidence to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) I think the NFL needs to go through another stage in its evolution. It's going more and more pass-heavy, now it needs to embrace the new era of college QB's. Focus more on what they can do than what they can't. If they don't, the league is facing a severe recruitment issue at its premier position. The true pro-style QB's are rare, finding good ones is even rarer. 18 guys on my QB watch list, I think 2-3 come from established pro-style schemes. I'm curious to watch the progression of Mariota and Goff. I think Mariota had a decent rookie year given how bad his protection was at times. They seem like the right kind of guys to find success and change some opinions. I'll remain bullish on what I think are the right players until I see enough evidence to the contrary. I thought they would but I think the problem with the spread is it is to simple and easily defended in the NFL, kind of the passing version of the triple option, it looked great in college but with better athletes in the NFL it wasn't successful. There are spread elements in the NFL now, but true success comes from QBs making reads and progressions and that is the biggest problem with college spread QBs. They don't make many reads and when they arrive in the NFL they are very underprepared and is why they fail so much. Some start out great like Kap and RG3 but then they get figured out and it's usually downhill from there. This another reason why each team should have a farm club so they can develop prospects properly. This would not only help QB but also the Linemen and WRs who also have a hard time adjusting from the spread to pro style game. edit: What prostyle QBs are on your list? Edited May 14, 2016 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) edit: What prostyle QBs are on your list? CJ Beathard - Iowa Tommie Armstrong Jr - Nebraska Patrick Towles - Boston College (Kentucky grad transfer) I'm assuming that Mark Richt will get Kaaya into a more pro-style scheme. There's a few teams that I haven't watched enough to know exactly what they run. Edit - I figure I might as well post the list while I've got it open. Major work in progress. Guys listed at the bottom are underclassmen that might declare. The lack of DB's is because I'm not bothering with them this year unless I get some All-22 footage. If anyone has a suggestion for the list, let me know - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sKjS_k5oDm7qJE4g83CKXvDxEulWFmNhYFu3_BKP2lg/edit#gid=0 Edited May 14, 2016 by Blokestradamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 14, 2016 Share Posted May 14, 2016 CJ Beathard - Iowa Tommie Armstrong Jr - Nebraska Patrick Towles - Boston College (Kentucky grad transfer) I'm assuming that Mark Richt will get Kaaya into a more pro-style scheme. There's a few teams that I haven't watched enough to know exactly what they run. Michigan has 6'6" 240 pound sophomore, curious to see if he starts. A lot of the big 10 teams do and there is Stanford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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