K-9 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The dude from the Giants that ran for a 348 yard touchdown in a crucial moment agrees wholeheartedly. Was it Darby or Gilmore who excelled on that play? That was Bradham. Although he blamed it on somebody else not being in the right spot. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) The dude from the Giants that ran for a 348 yard touchdown in a crucial moment agrees wholeheartedly. Was it Darby or Gilmore who excelled on that play?Cool beans dude. We had top 10 CB play from two players last year. They shut down some good WR's and both were recognized for it. They excelled in a schit defense. Probably saved it from being 30+ in the rankings. Feel free to knock them down because an LB missed a tackle. Makes total sense. Edited April 18, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Before 2015, the way Mario performed in 2013 and 2014, what would you have said about the odds of him being the villain of 2015? Did he give max effort? It sure doesn't look that way. But Rex asked a mason to put up sheet rock all year. The mason knows that bricks are better and got frustrated. Yes he should still hang the sheet rock but the architect should self examine more. And they MD and SG not excel in the scheme because the scheme did not excel. It sucked badly......and has for half a decade.....it will almost certainly suck again this year.....and if Rex is to retain his moniker of defensive genius someone will need to shoulder the blame. Brown does not have a big enough name. Kyle is too popular and too close to retirement to get the blame. Clay McCoy and Glenn were only bolded for if the offense has a rough year and that is really a separate topic. If you think Dareus and Gilmore sucked last year you dont know what you are watching. Mario did suck, film showed that. Why he sucked? He didnt try. It wasnt scheme. Hughes still was one of the best pass rushers, even without the sack numbers. You are talking about 25 year olds, Mario is 31. Edited April 18, 2016 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The dude from the Giants that ran for a 348 yard touchdown in a crucial moment agrees wholeheartedly. Was it Darby or Gilmore who excelled on that play? Who was it on the play that gave Deion Lewis a free release for a touchdown in the Patriots game? I remember having Brady and that offense stifled and piling up hits, then our LDE decided to come up field and ignore his assignment. Maybe he didn't understand the play? I do remember that dummy Rex flipping his **** after in disgust because it was the perfect play call and it was 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Who was it on the play that gave Deion Lewis a free release for a touchdown in the Patriots game? I remember having Brady and that offense stifled and piling up hits, then our LDE decided to come up field and ignore his assignment. Maybe he didn't understand the play? I do remember that dummy Rex flipping his **** after in disgust because it was the perfect play call and it was 3rd down. And that begs the question, if Mario was mailing it in on the field, is it safe to assume he was mailing it in during the week? I think so. That play vs. NE**** was a good call by Rex and MW screwed the pooch. But I guess it's OK because you know, the coach sucked so MW was justified in quitting. How many other plays did MW leave out there over the course of the season? I wonder if he had decided to make a few more plays and prepared like a professional, if those plays may have made a difference in a season where another win or two changes everything. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Cool beans dude. We had top 10 CB play from two players last year. They shut down some good WR's and both were recognized for it. They excelled in a schit defense. Probably saved it from being 30+ in the rankings. Feel free to knock them down because an LB missed a tackle. Makes total sense. You misunderstand. I did not knock them at all. I did not say they sucked at all. What I said was that they could EXCEL in this crap defense, because if the defense doesn't stop anyone, excelling is impossible. Could they perform their poorly constructed assignment? Sure. But to EXCEL requires the team succeeding. Steve Carlton won 20 games for an absolutely crappy Phillies team. He excelled. Pitchers can do that. It is much tougher for a corner to do that if it can be done at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 You misunderstand. I did not knock them at all. I did not say they sucked at all. What I said was that they could EXCEL in this crap defense, because if the defense doesn't stop anyone, excelling is impossible. Could they perform their poorly constructed assignment? Sure. But to EXCEL requires the team succeeding. Steve Carlton won 20 games for an absolutely crappy Phillies team. He excelled. Pitchers can do that. It is much tougher for a corner to do that if it can be done at all. Your contention is that Gilmore and Darby didn't excel, no? What is your definition of excelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Dodd would do a big deal on our d Conklin would be nice to have at rt Landon turner at right guard running would be excellent. Lee would be incredible and remind us of kiko with durability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Feel free to knock them down because an LB missed a tackle. Makes total sense. In fairness to Bradham it wasn't his assignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Your contention is that Gilmore and Darby didn't excel, no? What is your definition of excelling? Excelling = Standing out while experiencing success both individually and for the team. A bad scheme makes this almost impossible. Steve Carlton did this on a bad team but baseball is different. If Gilmore and Darby executed 100% or a very high number of their assignments perfectly then they did well as players. I do not dispute this. But with the team, the defense in particular, being an overall failure nobody will remember their success. People still remember what Carlton did. 10 years from now even Bills fans won't remember the specifics of Darby and Gilmore 2015. Look at it like this. Let's say a general contractor is building a house. The whole thing is a piece of crap but the plumber came in and executed the plan to perfection. The problem was that the general contractor asked the plumber to do things incorrectly. Some pipes had to be installed on the outside of walls. Some connections that should be there simply weren't....but that was by design. The plumbing could have been an absolute work of art but there was still #$%^ all over the floor, the house flooded and eventually it was condemned. The plumber should absolutely not be blamed but by the same token I doubt he'd be written up in plumber's quarterly for the excellent job he did on that house that just faced the wrecking ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Excelling = Standing out while experiencing success both individually and for the team. A bad scheme makes this almost impossible. Steve Carlton did this on a bad team but baseball is different. If Gilmore and Darby executed 100% or a very high number of their assignments perfectly then they did well as players. I do not dispute this. But with the team, the defense in particular, being an overall failure nobody will remember their success. People still remember what Carlton did. 10 years from now even Bills fans won't remember the specifics of Darby and Gilmore 2015. Look at it like this. Let's say a general contractor is building a house. The whole thing is a piece of crap but the plumber came in and executed the plan to perfection. The problem was that the general contractor asked the plumber to do things incorrectly. Some pipes had to be installed on the outside of walls. Some connections that should be there simply weren't....but that was by design. The plumbing could have been an absolute work of art but there was still #$%^ all over the floor, the house flooded and eventually it was condemned. The plumber should absolutely not be blamed but by the same token I doubt he'd be written up in plumber's quarterly for the excellent job he did on that house that just faced the wrecking ball. I wonder if that general contractor can get you out of that hole you have been digging for the better part of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I wonder if that general contractor can get you out of that hole you have been digging for the better part of the day. Rex is an awesome coach. He allows his players to excel without the need for the team to do well at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Is there anybody in this draft that you think can be a difference maker that would push the Bills over the edge from 8-8 to 10-6 in the playoffs? I think the difference makers are already on the team. Tyrod, Watkins and McCoy have to play at Pro-bowl level and Hughes has to have at least 12 sacks this year. I would be ecstatic with Jarran Reed in this draft. I do agree that the talent is already on the team to succeed, but having that one additional guy on the defensive line is huge. To boot, I don't see any point paying a $100 million contract to a 3 technique nose tackle. Dareus must move to the outside in my opinion. If it's not Jarran Reed, give me Vernon Butler. I know he would be a bit of a reach in the first and not likely to make it to Buffalo in the second round, but I do think the position is that important. My difference maker is not a linebacker and not a defensive end. It's finding the right kid to let our existing difference makers on defense be the factors that they should be. That's Dareus. Edited April 18, 2016 by Luxy312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Who would have said a second round CB would have been a difference maker prior to last years draft? Nobody knows. Will a new DE that holds up well against the run be a "difference maker"? What about a LB that pushes Brown out of a job? If they get the FSU PK that would be a difference maker - good bye kick off specialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Is there anybody in this draft that you think can be a difference maker that would push the Bills over the edge from 8-8 to 10-6 in the playoffs? I think the difference makers are already on the team. Tyrod, Watkins and McCoy have to play at Pro-bowl level and Hughes has to have at least 12 sacks this year. at #19... ..absolutely no one will be there who single handedly gives us 2 more wins. short term biggest impact would be OLB, followed by a NT & OT. long term biggest impact would be QB, that position is still not settled long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Rex is an awesome coach. He allows his players to excel without the need for the team to do well at all. 1 year.....ONE YEAR I would be ecstatic with Jarran Reed in this draft. I do agree that the talent is already on the team to succeed, but having that one additional guy on the defensive line is huge. To boot, I don't see any point paying a $100 million contract to a 3 technique nose tackle. Dareus must move to the outside in my opinion. If it's not Jarran Reed, give me Vernon Butler. I know he would be a bit of a reach in the first and not likely to make it to Buffalo in the second round, but I do think the position is that important. My difference maker is not a linebacker and not a defensive end. It's finding the right kid to let our existing difference makers on defense be the factors that they should be. That's Dareus. And it really is the strength of the draft....you know your getting a good player It always makes me nervous when I take a player high just because we need that position on the team Your getting bang for your buck because the kid will play a lot in year one.....it frees up your 100 million dollar player to do what he was meant to do......and your looking ahead to the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 In fairness to Bradham it wasn't his assignment. Regardless, if a player is in a position to make the play, he has got to make it. Bradham whiffed and his finger pointing after the fact didn't reflect well on him, imo. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 at #19... ..absolutely no one will be there who single handedly gives us 2 more wins. short term biggest impact would be OLB, followed by a NT & OT. long term biggest impact would be QB, that position is still not settled long term. Agreed, but they can get two or three players in this draft that will contribute. I realize it is not the premise of the thread. But as you suggest an OLB, a NT, and another WR will make impacts. A healthy and productive Henderson at RT will be key as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The Plumber did it. Draft the BEST plumber on the board. That's the Waley way and I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Regardless, if a player is in a position to make the play, he has got to make it. Bradham whiffed and his finger pointing after the fact didn't reflect well on him, imo. GO BILLS!!! I don't recall Bradham finger pointing. It was Rex who pointed fingers straight after in his post game presser. Bradham should have made the tackle.... but the Bills were not lined up right and failed to amke a stop when they needed it the most. That play was a microcosim of the season for me... players not quite making plays after being left in a hole by poor coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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