keepthefaith Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, BillStime said: Surprised to see you post a pro Trump picture. 8
B-Man Posted June 15, 2020 Author Posted June 15, 2020 Here too.......... LOOK WHO’S PUTTING THE SYSTEM IN “SYSTEMIC RACISM.” 1 2
GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Here too.......... LOOK WHO’S PUTTING THE SYSTEM IN “SYSTEMIC RACISM.” Do the police not represent the government? Why not include their faces too? You'd see the real commonality is they're almost all white. Of course that doesn't work as well with the "it's Congress's fault that they didn't say police shouldn't put their knees on a man's throat for 8 minutes and 46 seconds while he begs for mercy." You can only think in "republicans good, democrats bad." Small minds, man. Small minds. By the way. So weird how LA had another huge day of protests in Hollywood with no incident.... Coincidentally the National Guard and police presence has been eliminated or significantly reduced And the news is hardly covering it. Must be a coincidence!!!!!! Edited June 15, 2020 by GregPersons
Big Blitz Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, GregPersons said: Do the police not represent the government? Why not include their faces too? You'd see the real commonality is they're almost all white. Of course that doesn't work as well with the "it's Congress's fault that they didn't say police shouldn't put their knees on a man's throat for 8 minutes and 46 seconds while he begs for mercy." You can only think in "republicans good, democrats bad." Small minds, man. Small minds. By the way. So weird how LA had another huge day of protests in Hollywood with no incident.... Coincidentally the National Guard and police presence has been eliminated or significantly reduced And the news is hardly covering it. Must be a coincidence!!!!!! We know. We know there are bad apples that are police officers. Like in every walk of like. Unfortunately they are in the day to day business of serving and protecting and being in situations where its possible someone will get hurt or even get killed. Maybe even the officers. Something is bound to go wrong in a country of 330 million. And you can bet when it does the media and the party they sleep with will tell you how racist you all are. Are cops perfect? Nope. Does this mean everything is racist, like America? Nope. We've just gone full blown stupid. And I know this because as the infographic up there reminds us, the localities and its citizens both legal and many absolutely illegal, have been run or completely run by Democrats, the racially pure party, some for over 60 years! That's right. We currently have a segment of our society telling us that in order to end racism, you should most definitely vote for the party that is running the localities where these evil cops are out of control. Its not the crime. Its systemic something institutional something the system. It's the cops! We have another visual up there that implies you can end all the racism by voting for the "you ain't black" guy -- don't worry he'll have a black female VP-- you see being Veep to the first black POTUS wasn't enough, but now that we got that now 77 year old white guy leading the ticket, we're definitely going to figure this thing out. Insanity. Absolute insanity. Only the left in this country can take a situation (Minneapolis) in which 99.9999999999% of Americans all agreed "yo that is messed up please charge that cop with murder" and turn it into some kind of out of control racial divide and its definitely Trump's fault. Like I said. Insanity. Edited June 15, 2020 by Big Blitz 4
B-Man Posted June 15, 2020 Author Posted June 15, 2020 Every child who couldn’t say goodbye to a dying parent, every business owner closing their doors, or worried they might have to, every worker facing furloughs or pay cuts, and every voter who followed all the rules sees the “liberation” of the left for what it is here. Massive turnout for the Black Trans Lives Matter protest at the Brooklyn Museum today The distrust and resentment from this double standard will far outlast this pandemic. 1
1B4IDye Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 Do the citizens of CHAZ need a passport to do this now? 2
GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: We know. We know there are bad apples that are police officers. Like in every walk of like. Unfortunately they are in the day to day business of serving and protecting and being in situations where its possible someone will get hurt or even get killed. Maybe even the officers. Something is bound to go wrong in a country of 330 million. And you can bet when it does the media and the party they sleep with will tell you how racist you all are. Are cops perfect? Nope. Does this mean everything is racist, like America? Nope. We've just gone full blown stupid. And I know this because as the infographic up there reminds us, the localities and its citizens both legal and many absolutely illegal, have been run or completely run by Democrats, the racially pure party, some for over 60 years! That's right. We currently have a segment of our society telling us that in order to end racism, you should most definitely vote for the party that is running the localities where these evil cops are out of control. Its not the crime. Its systemic something institutional something the system. It's the cops! We have another visual up there that implies you can end all the racism by voting for the "you ain't black" guy -- don't worry he'll have a black female VP-- you see being Veep to the first black POTUS wasn't enough, but now that we got that now 77 year old white guy leading the ticket, we're definitely going to figure this thing out. Insanity. Absolute insanity. Only the left in this country can take a situation (Minneapolis) in which 99.9999999999% of Americans all agreed "yo that is messed up please charge that cop with murder" and turn it into some kind of out of control racial divide and its definitely Trump's fault. Like I said. Insanity. This has nothing to do with Trump, or not much anyway. It has nothing to do with Biden. It has nothing to do with Congress. It has to do with the fact that Minneapolis wasn't just one example. There have been, I've lost track, of how many since. Man was shot to death for sleeping at a Wendy's and resisting arrest. He grabbed the tazer. This was such a threat -- though suspects, like this man, Rayshard Brooks are supposed to just go along with it -- that the cops had to shoot him to death. And again Breonna Taylor. Was shot to death in her bed. Her killers have not been brought to justice. It is much bigger and deeper than Biden or Trump or Democrat or Republican. Nobody is more deluded about this than white people, because, white people have been afforded the luxury to simply not think about race as a real concern. Because it hasn't been to them. By design. But this is what is happening, and it's not new. Social media also allows a lot more first-hand reporting, and the mainstream news (btw Fox News / right-wing --- these are mainstream, by definition) is massively distorting the reality. In Richmond tonight, here's how police are dressed to deal with unarmed citizens with poster boards and t-shirts. The police are the ones instigating. This is consistently happening. Edited June 15, 2020 by GregPersons
IYKYK Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Hedge said: Do the citizens of CHAZ need a passport to do this now? That's the 911 call center is located. If they take that over they're screwed. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 I already know many will dismiss this but I'll post it anyway. I'm starting to think much of this message board rides on a hope and a dream. Don't like the results of polls. Don't trust polls! Don't like what Mainstream news sources say. Never trust mainstream News sources! Too funny.
GregPersons Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 Quote In fact, let me tell you about an extremely formative experience: in my police academy class, we had a clique of around six trainees who routinely bullied and harassed other students: intentionally scuffing another trainee’s shoes to get them in trouble during inspection, sexually harassing female trainees, cracking racist jokes, and so on. Every quarter, we were to write anonymous evaluations of our squadmates. I wrote scathing accounts of their behavior, thinking I was helping keep bad apples out of law enforcement and believing I would be protected. Instead, the academy staff read my complaints to them out loud and outed me to them and never punished them, causing me to get harassed for the rest of my academy class. That’s how I learned that even police leadership hates rats. That’s why no one is “changing things from the inside.” They can’t, the structure won’t allow it. And that’s the point of what I’m telling you. Whether you were my sergeant, legally harassing an old woman, me, legally harassing our residents, my fellow trainees bullying the rest of us, or “the bad apples” illegally harassing “shitbags”, we were all in it together. I knew cops that pulled women over to flirt with them. I knew cops who would pepper spray sleeping bags so that homeless people would have to throw them away. I knew cops that intentionally provoked anger in suspects so they could claim they were assaulted. I was particularly good at winding people up verbally until they lashed out so I could fight them. Nobody spoke out. Nobody stood up. Nobody betrayed the code. None of us protected the people (you) from bad cops. This is why “All cops are bastards.” Even your uncle, even your cousin, even your mom, even your brother, even your best friend, even your spouse, even me. Because even if they wouldn’t Do The Thing themselves, they will almost never rat out another officer who Does The Thing, much less stop it from happening. BASTARD 101 I could write an entire book of the awful things I’ve done, seen done, and heard others bragging about doing. But, to me, the bigger question is “How did it get this way?”. While I was a police officer in a city 30 miles from where I lived, many of my fellow officers were from the community and treated their neighbors just as badly as I did. While every cop’s individual biases come into play, it’s the profession itself that is toxic, and it starts from day 1 of training. Every police academy is different but all of them share certain features: taught by old cops, run like a paramilitary bootcamp, strong emphasis on protecting yourself more than anyone else. The majority of my time in the academy was spent doing aggressive physical training and watching video after video after video of police officers being murdered on duty. I want to highlight this: nearly everyone coming into law enforcement is bombarded with dash cam footage of police officers being ambushed and killed. Over and over and over. Colorless VHS mortality plays, cops screaming for help over their radios, their bodies going limp as a pair of tail lights speed away into a grainy black horizon. In my case, with commentary from an old racist cop who used to brag about assaulting Black Panthers. To understand why all cops are bastards, you need to understand one of the things almost every training officer told me when it came to using force: “I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.” Meaning, “I’ll take my chances in court rather than risk getting hurt”. We’re able to think that way because police unions are extremely overpowered and because of the generous concept of Qualified Immunity, a legal theory which says a cop generally can’t be held personally liable for mistakes they make doing their job in an official capacity. When you look at the actions of the officers who killed George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, David McAtee, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice, Philando Castile, Eric Garner, or Freddie Gray, remember that they, like me, were trained to recite “I’d rather be judged by 12” as a mantra. Even if Mistakes Were Made™, the city (meaning the taxpayers, meaning you) pays the settlement, not the officer. Once police training has - through repetition, indoctrination, and violent spectacle - promised officers that everyone in the world is out to kill them, the next lesson is that your partners are the only people protecting you. Occasionally, this is even true: I’ve had encounters turn on me rapidly to the point I legitimately thought I was going to die, only to have other officers come and turn the tables. One of the most important thought leaders in law enforcement is Col. Dave Grossman, a “killologist” who wrote an essay called “Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs”. Cops are the sheepdogs, bad guys are the wolves, and the citizens are the sheep (!). Col. Grossman makes sure to mention that to a stupid sheep, sheepdogs look more like wolves than sheep, and that’s why they dislike you. This “they hate you for protecting them and only I love you, only I can protect you” tactic is familiar to students of abuse. It’s what abusers do to coerce their victims into isolation, pulling them away from friends and family and ensnaring them in the abuser’s toxic web. Law enforcement does this too, pitting the officer against civilians. “They don’t understand what you do, they don’t respect your sacrifice, they just want to get away with crimes. You’re only safe with us.” I think the Wolves vs. Sheepdogs dynamic is one of the most important elements as to why officers behave the way they do. Every single second of my training, I was told that criminals were not a legitimate part of their community, that they were individual bad actors, and that their bad actions were solely the result of their inherent criminality. Any concept of systemic trauma, generational poverty, or white supremacist oppression was either never mentioned or simply dismissed. After all, most people don’t steal, so anyone who does isn’t “most people,” right? To us, anyone committing a crime deserved anything that happened to them because they broke the “social contract.” And yet, it was never even a question as to whether the power structure above them was honoring any sort of contract back. Understand: Police officers are part of the state monopoly on violence and all police training reinforces this monopoly as a cornerstone of police work, a source of honor and pride. Many cops fantasize about getting to kill someone in the line of duty, egged on by others that have. One of my training officers told me about the time he shot and killed a mentally ill homeless man wielding a big stick. He bragged that he “slept like a baby” that night. Official training teaches you how to be violent effectively and when you’re legally allowed to deploy that violence, but “unofficial training” teaches you to desire violence, to expand the breadth of your violence without getting caught, and to erode your own compassion for desperate people so you can justify punitive violence against them.
Reality Check Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 57 minutes ago, GregPersons said: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) The commentary on this thread... (the show media really is NSFW) Edited June 15, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 4
dhg Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 I can hear my dad saying it now, "Don't any of these people have jobs?" 1
Sig1Hunter Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 5 hours ago, GregPersons said: This has nothing to do with Trump, or not much anyway. It has nothing to do with Biden. It has nothing to do with Congress. It has to do with the fact that Minneapolis wasn't just one example. There have been, I've lost track, of how many since. Man was shot to death for sleeping at a Wendy's and resisting arrest. He grabbed the tazer. This was such a threat -- though suspects, like this man, Rayshard Brooks are supposed to just go along with it -- that the cops had to shoot him to death. And again Breonna Taylor. Was shot to death in her bed. Her killers have not been brought to justice. It is much bigger and deeper than Biden or Trump or Democrat or Republican. Nobody is more deluded about this than white people, because, white people have been afforded the luxury to simply not think about race as a real concern. Because it hasn't been to them. By design. But this is what is happening, and it's not new. Social media also allows a lot more first-hand reporting, and the mainstream news (btw Fox News / right-wing --- these are mainstream, by definition) is massively distorting the reality. In Richmond tonight, here's how police are dressed to deal with unarmed citizens with poster boards and t-shirts. The police are the ones instigating. This is consistently happening. He was shot to death for sleeping at a Wendy’s, eh? Your goal to stir the pot has been well noted. You are wrong, and completely ignorant on all things law related. Keep shouting your idiocy from the rooftops in some dungeon of a message board if that’s what makes you feel better. If you truly feel that there is injustice that’s been done, maybe you can actually take some tangible steps toward learning. I might suggest reading up on Graham v. Connor as a starting point. I doubt this is the route you will take, however. You are too engrained in your “perspective” to open your eyes to the other realities that exist. 5
Sig1Hunter Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, GregPersons said: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759 I guess you weren’t paying attention when this had been discussed earlier? Here’s the Cliffs Notes: it’s a massive pile of horseshit. But, it’s his opinion so he’s entitled to have it. Doesn’t make it fact. You seem to have trouble with the difference between opinion and fact. Edited June 15, 2020 by Sig1Hunter 2
billsfan1959 Posted June 15, 2020 Posted June 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: I guess you weren’t paying attention when this had been discussed earlier? Here’s the Cliffs Notes: it’s a massive pile of horseshit. But, it’s his opinion so he’s entitled to have it. Doesn’t make it fact. You seem to have trouble with the difference between opinion and fact. He doesn't bother with distinctions between such concepts as fact and opinion, truth and lies, external reality and internal reality, etc. If it validates his deluded points of view, he will cling to it like a life preserver... 2
B-Man Posted June 15, 2020 Author Posted June 15, 2020 Anarchy, Seattle, and All That CHAZ by Jed Babbin Original Article Seattle’s CHAZ: Non-conformist Utopia, or Politically Correct Hell? by John Fund Original Article 1
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