thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I want to see more of this Deion Jones from LSU He's a bit undersized, but he's got range and looks explosive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Yes, Darron Lee played QB AND Safety until two years ago. That tells me he hasn't maxed out his potential. With a guy like Ragland he isn't going to get much better. What you see is what you get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Yes, Darron Lee played QB AND Safety until two years ago. That tells me he hasn't maxed out his potential. With a guy like Ragland he isn't going to get much better. What you see is what you get Not sure why you believe that...is there anything that makes you believe that he can't learn to cut down his steps on the field? Drop better in coverage? Get better at reading offenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 @TyDunne Notes: Florida's Antonio Morrison could be one one ILB option (and one vet could become available, too). http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/29/senior-bowl-notebook-floridas-morrison-could-be-the-answer-at-linebacker/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 @TyDunne Notes: Florida's Antonio Morrison could be one one ILB option (and one vet could become available, too). http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/29/senior-bowl-notebook-floridas-morrison-could-be-the-answer-at-linebacker/ He's another thumper like Preston Brown and Brandon Spikes. Good run defender, but I'm far more interested in someone that can cover too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) He's another thumper like Preston Brown and Brandon Spikes. Good run defender, but I'm far more interested in someone that can cover too. 3 down LBs are hard to come by. No way the get Jack and Ragland might be gone too. Jaylon Smith perhaps? Edited January 29, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 3 down LBs are hard to come by. No way the get Jack and Ragland might be gone too. Jaylon Smith perhaps? I don't think that they necessarily need to get one of those 3 (I think all will be gone by 19 to be honest)...I just think they need to prioritize coverage over run-stopping. There are guys like Josh Perry, Deion Jones, etc. that can cover, but also play effectively in the run game that they need to be more focused on than guys like Morrison IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Ragland is my pick in the 1st no way we are drafting D in the first round . we don't need a great defense, just an unpredictable one, and Rex's scheme, not the players, gives you that. Rex on D is like Chan on offense, the scheme is the value, not the players. we need good smart players on defense, We need a great players on offense in today's NFL. With very few exceptions, great offense beats great defense these days in the NFL. Rules are set up that way. If you can't score more than 25-30 points a game , you are going nowhere these days... Edited January 29, 2016 by 8and8-->NoMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not sure why you believe that...is there anything that makes you believe that he can't learn to cut down his steps on the field? Drop better in coverage? Get better at reading offenses? I agree with gonzo (I'd take Lee over Ragland myself)... IMO Ragland is not going to get more athletic, he's already good at reading offenses, making defensive adjustments and not taking false steps, he can get better in his drops, but he's not suddenly going to learn how to run with backs and athletic TE's, or slot WR's because right now, because IMO he does not have physical ability to do so. Hence forth, Ragland IMO as well is who he is and close to his ceiling, which for what he is, is high (starting 2 down ILB in the NFL) but I am not buying he's a true 3 down LB yet, from what I've seen not "twitchy" enough, nor does he have the CoD skills. Although he did look a little better than I thought in the senior bowl practices I have seen. Im hoping Jaylon Smith falls because of injury concerns and the medical checks out (which would really nullify the concerns) and Buffalo has a chance and takes it on him, short term yes, he may miss a season, long term it could be the steal of the 16' draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I agree with gonzo (I'd take Lee over Ragland myself)... IMO Ragland is not going to get more athletic, he's already good at reading offenses, making defensive adjustments and not taking false steps, he can get better in his drops, but he's not suddenly going to learn how to run with backs and athletic TE's, or slot WR's because right now, because IMO he does not have physical ability to do so. Hence forth, Ragland IMO as well is who he is and close to his ceiling, which for what he is, is high (starting 2 down ILB in the NFL) but I am not buying he's a true 3 down LB yet, from what I've seen not "twitchy" enough, nor does he have the CoD skills. Although he did look a little better than I thought in the senior bowl practices I have seen. Im hoping Jaylon Smith falls because of injury concerns and the medical checks out (which would really nullify the concerns) and Buffalo has a chance and takes it on him, short term yes, he may miss a season, long term it could be the steal of the 16' draft. just had an argument with another OSU fan about Lee. I said I wouldn't take him til the 2nd and he says I'm an idiot, the dude can run and he's Shazier 2.0. But he can't tackle, I said. But he can RUN and cover. Ok then. It's a passing league I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) just had an argument with another OSU fan about Lee. I said I wouldn't take him til the 2nd and he says I'm an idiot, the dude can run and he's Shazier 2.0. But he can't tackle, I said. But he can RUN and cover. Ok then. It's a passing league I guess. Yeah, Lee is still really raw. Declared too early. I've got him as a 3rd round 4-3 WILL. He's got potential but there's quite a few guys I have ahead of him because they're more likely to get a quick return on investment. I'm going to get to Josh Perry next week. Was gutted he pulled out of the Senior Bowl. Edited January 30, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Grab Carson Wentz in the first & then Oakman in the 2nd. I would draft Oakman for the sole purpose of covering Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Grab Carson Wentz in the first & then Oakman in the 2nd. I would draft Oakman for the sole purpose of covering Gronk. Gronk would embarrass Oakman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Yeah, Lee is still really raw. Declared too early. I've got him as a 3rd round 4-3 WILL. He's got potential but there's quite a few guys I have ahead of him because they're more likely to get a quick return on investment. I'm going to get to Josh Perry next week. Was gutted he pulled out of the Senior Bowl. my assessment as well, though IMO he will be a high pick for a good team who can afford to let him develop like Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Grab Carson Wentz in the first & then Oakman in the 2nd. I would draft Oakman for the sole purpose of covering Gronk. Is this real life? my assessment as well, though IMO he will be a high pick for a good team who can afford to let him develop like Carolina Yeah, I can see him being a late first rounder in the right situation. He's a playmaker, the ball seems to find him a lot. Couple of years down the line, he might be superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yes, Darron Lee played QB AND Safety until two years ago. That tells me he hasn't maxed out his potential. With a guy like Ragland he isn't going to get much better. What you see is what you get Ragland not improve? does he have the "Slow development" stat in madden or something? I understand ur stance on Lee but, saying Ragland wont improve Just BC he's considered NFL Worthy it isnt a fair assumption to make rite now Gronk would embarrass Oakman. After watching Oakman make a few good plays in the senoir bowl he seems too slow to be that effective at the NFL level but thats only one game so meh.... Is this real life? Yeah, I can see him being a late first rounder in the right situation. He's a playmaker, the ball seems to find him a lot. Couple of years down the line, he might be superb. Seriously would be pissed/disappointed if we go this route and take a QB even Wentz 1st Oakman 2nd...Just no....smh...no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Bills visited wvu several times - keep an eye on @kevinw_espn #WVU LB Nick Kwiatkoski's instincts and recognition are off the charts. Fast eyes locating and reacting. Makes a lot of plays on tape. @toddmcshay @KevinW_ESPN One of just three LBs that @chris_spielman has liked on tape in two years of studying tape with him! Edited January 31, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Is Ragland going to get faster? Maybe a little but not much. Is he going to be able to cover NFL WR's, TE'S, and RB'S. He didn't show he could do it in college. What makes me think he's going to be able to cover better players in the NFL. Look at Alabamas history with defensive players. Donta Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Dre Kirkpatrick, Landon Collins, C.J Mosley, Marcell Dareus, Dee Milliner, Rolando McClain, HaHa Clinton Dix, Terrance Cody have in common? All of them besides Dareus, Mosely, and maybe Dix came into the league and didn't improve when they got in the NFL. A lot of Alabama prospects are maxed out by the time they get into the pros. Ragland is 6'1 260 pounds. He is maxed out physically. The proof is in the history of Alabama defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Is Ragland going to get faster? Maybe a little but not much. Is he going to be able to cover NFL WR's, TE'S, and RB'S. He didn't show he could do it in college. What makes me think he's going to be able to cover better players in the NFL. Look at Alabamas history with defensive players. Donta Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Dre Kirkpatrick, Landon Collins, C.J Mosley, Marcell Dareus, Dee Milliner, Rolando McClain, HaHa Clinton Dix, Terrance Cody have in common? All of them besides Dareus, Mosely, and maybe Dix came into the league and didn't improve when they got in the NFL. A lot of Alabama prospects are maxed out by the time they get into the pros. Ragland is 6'1 260 pounds. He is maxed out physically. The proof is in the history of Alabama defensive players. I think you're off a bit here Collins was a rookie McClain had a mental illness; once he got treatment he was very good for Dallas Hightower is NE's replacement for Spikes as a run-stopping LB; they're string of losses to end the regular season coincided with his injury Kirkpatrick finally wrested a starting job away from the other vets this season Really, the examples that fit this argument are Upshaw, Cody, and Milliner, but even then, each player is a case into himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 How am I off. Collins is nothing more than a box safety. So MCLain having an issue makes that an excuse and even as a returning player he is only a 2 down player who can't cover and he was a top 10 pick!!. Sound familiar. Hightower was a first round pickand Upshaw were 2nd round pick. Hightower was not brought in just to be a run stuffer. If that were the case he wouldn't have been drafted in the late first round. Finally wrestling a job away a job in his 4th year is not something to be proud of if your Kirkpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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