GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 After his performance yesterday, I am starting to wonder if Vernon Adams might deserve more serious consideration. I saw all of his games this year and he was unquestionably effective. I have wondered about his arm strength but he throws a very nice long ball. Reminds me a lot of TT, but without TT's straight line speed. Body might not hold up to NFL punishment. See the East-West Shrine game thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) See the East-West Shrine game thread.... I just mentioned this, vernon adams jr on the shoutbox. he played off the wall that game. anyone seen his other games? that would be a good draft pick for our current coaching system and the NFL QB dual threat evolution Edited January 25, 2016 by Marty McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I just mentioned this, vernon adams jr on the shoutbox. he played off the wall that game. anyone seen his other games? that would be a good draft pick for our current coaching system and the NFL QB dual threat evolution There are similarities between adams and TT but Adams is nowhere near the running threat TT is. He is shifty and elusive but not fast; not a guy you really want to design running plays for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2016 NFL Draft: Scouting report on North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz The top senior quarterback prospect in the 2016 NFL Draft, Wentz possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2016 NFL Draft: Scouting report on North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz wonder if he will be there at 19? would fir right in with Romans offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Apparently, Brandon Allen measured in at the Senior Bowl with 8 1/2" hands. That's going to wipe him off at least half the draft boards across the league. Carson Wentz came in at 10", will meet every threshold. Edited January 26, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/691985797281484801 Everyone bar Allen ticks the hand size box. Bills seem to have a 9" threshold from recent pickups, EJ and Taylor both over 10" hand span. I know it's stupid but teams take this stuff seriously. Edited January 26, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 @ChaseGoodbread Wentz's hands (10") the 2nd biggest here among QBs (Kevin Hogan 10 1/8). Scouts from cold-weather teams are big on QB hand size. #Grips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 @viccarucci #Bills among #NFL teams seeking an up-close look at QB Carson Wentz at the Senior Bowl. BN Blitz: http://bit.ly/1Pi1Pmz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Watch: Top QB Prospect Carson Wentz (2:21)One of the top quarterback prospects at the 2016 Reese's Senior Bowl Carson Wentz talks about what he's looking to prove this week, and what it's like being so highly regarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 @ChaseGoodbread NDSU QB Carson Wentz: 6-5 1/4, 233. Listed 6-6, 235 in college. Lots of anticipation for his practice week vs. tougher competition. @NFL_CFB Carson Wentz passed his first big test at the @SeniorBowl --> http://bit.ly/20qZk4R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 @tydunne New at the BN Blog: #Bills GM Doug Whaley would 'absolutely' consider drafting a QB early in the draft... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/26/bills-would-absolutely-consider-drafting-a-qb-early-in-the-draft/ @pecrawleynfl Whaley did preface this by saying he thinks the QBs in this draft are projects who won't be ready for a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 @viccarucci #Bills among #NFL teams seeking an up-close look at QB Carson Wentz at the Senior Bowl. BN Blitz: http://bit.ly/1Pi1Pmz not looking good for Wentz to be there at 19 @tydunne New at the BN Blog: #Bills GM Doug Whaley would 'absolutely' consider drafting a QB early in the draft... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/01/26/bills-would-absolutely-consider-drafting-a-qb-early-in-the-draft/ @pecrawleynfl Whaley did preface this by saying he thinks the QBs in this draft are projects who won't be ready for a year or two. about time he came over to my way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Carson Wentz: From unknown to potential top-10 pick (5:16)North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz talks about playing at a 1-AA school, dealing with a wrist injury his senior year of college and what he hopes to prove at the Senior Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Of all the QB's considered, I keep coming back to two... Kelly, and Cardale... Wentz does NOTHING for me. NDSU has one of the most dynamic offenses in NCAA football... I love watching their games. (albeit against 2nd tier talent)... Wentz excelled in their system, but will struggle mightily as a pro... The kid could burn a hole through receivers with that stare... Once he locks on, he's committed... Wentz protects the football just enough to fend off double-A talent... He'll have to do a lot better at the next level.... Even with the best QB coach availabe he is three years away from being anybody's starter...Brock Jensen was a better NDSU QB than Wentz.. (With a better arm, I might add).... Chad Kelly had some growing up to do, and ended up on the road less traveled.... He made mistakes, and deserves a second chance....I like Kelly's game, He's a risk-taker with a big arm... Still, IMHO he's not mobile or accurate enough to win the start from a guy like Tyrod... For my money the absolute best pick we can make this spring is QB Cardale Jones... Right off the bat, I like how the kid carries himself... The way he speaks, the way he regards his teamates.. Is he raw? absolutely... Still, you can't coach speed, size, or power. Jones has all three... I think scouts will be surprised how quickly he adapts to the pro game... Carson Wentz may be lighting up on some radars, but the third-stringer who took a NC from Marcus Mariota may be the best thing flying under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Of all the QB's considered, I keep coming back to two... Kelly, and Cardale... Wentz does NOTHING for me. NDSU has one of the most dynamic offenses in NCAA football... I love watching their games. (albeit against 2nd tier talent)... Wentz excelled in their system, but will struggle mightily as a pro... The kid could burn a hole through receivers with that stare... Once he locks on, he's committed... Wentz protects the football just enough to fend off double-A talent... He'll have to do a lot better at the next level.... Even with the best QB coach availabe he is three years away from being anybody's starter...Brock Jensen was a better NDSU QB than Wentz.. (With a better arm, I might add).... Chad Kelly had some growing up to do, and ended up on the road less traveled.... He made mistakes, and deserves a second chance....I like Kelly's game, He's a risk-taker with a big arm... Still, IMHO he's not mobile or accurate enough to win the start from a guy like Tyrod... For my money the absolute best pick we can make this spring is QB Cardale Jones... Right off the bat, I like how the kid carries himself... The way he speaks, the way he regards his teamates.. Is he raw? absolutely... Still, you can't coach speed, size, or power. Jones has all three... I think scouts will be surprised how quickly he adapts to the pro game... Carson Wentz may be lighting up on some radars, but the third-stringer who took a NC from Marcus Mariota may be the best thing flying under it. I'm confused... Wentz locks onto his targets and can't be coached up, but Jones doesn't? Also, Chad Kelly is returning to Ole Miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 For my money the absolute best pick we can make this spring is QB Cardale Jones... Right off the bat, I like how the kid carries himself... The way he speaks, the way he regards his teamates.. Is he raw? absolutely... Still, you can't coach speed, size, or power. Jones has all three... I think scouts will be surprised how quickly he adapts to the pro game... Carson Wentz may be lighting up on some radars, but the third-stringer who took a NC from Marcus Mariota may be the best thing flying under it. Can he read defences at all? That is where I have doubts on Jones. I am not sure he can and I think getting through progressions is going to be a problem for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Here are Doughty's stats: SEASON TEAM GP COMP ATT PCT ATT/G YDS YDS/ATT YDS/G TD INT LNG SCK SCK YDS QBR 2011 WKU 2 13 22 59.1% 11.0 106 4.8 53.0 0 1 21 1 -10 90.5 2012 WKU 2 1 3 33.3% 1.5 7 2.3 3.5 0 0 7 0 0 52.9 2013 WKU 12 246 374 65.8% 31.2 2857 7.6 238.1 14 14 60 19 -131 134.8 2014 WKU 13 375 552 67.9% 42.5 4830 8.8 371.5 49 10 75 19 -137 167.1 2015 WKU 14 388 540 71.9% 38.6 5055 9.4 361.1 48 9 78 15 -123 176.5 Numbers like those deserve a later-round shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Can he read defences at all? That is where I have doubts on Jones. I am not sure he can and I think getting through progressions is going to be a problem for him. It's one of the pitfalls of being an Urban Meyer QB. The scheme isn't really built for complexity. Alex Smith is the only Urban QB with any kind of NFL success and it took him 5 years to reach a level of play that you can get by with in the NFL. I don't like using "played for this coach, won't work" logic but there's a pattern that's emerged with Meyer. I don't like it one bit. Same thought process goes for Art Briles. It'll be a cold day in hell before I draft one of his QB's early. Edited January 27, 2016 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) It's one of the pitfalls of being an Urban Meyer QB. The scheme isn't really built for complexity. Alex Smith is the only Urban QB with any kind of NFL success and it took him 5 years to reach a level of play that you can get by with in the NFL. I don't like using "played for this coach, won't work" logic but there's a pattern that's emerged with Meyer. I don't like it one bit. Same thought process goes for Art Briles. It'll be a cold day in hell before I draft one of his QB's early. Jones is a little different because he's not really an urban Meyer QB. He wasn't recruited by Urban and isn't his type of QB. Tom Herman established a specific offense to fit Jones' strengths for the playoffs last year. When he Herman went to Houston this year, Urban wanted to run his own offense and Jones was not a fit. Urban didn't want to adapt to the QB because the team is built around a certain system and he has the perfect QB to run it in JT... so he didn't. That does not obviously mean I think that Jones can read an NFL defense at this time. He was not required to read one in the playoffs last year or in the games he played in this year. It will be a projection that he can learn that - likely discussed at length in pre draft interviews. But he's not an urban Meyer QB. He would never have seen the field unless Braxton and JT both got hurt and urban didn't want to burn a redshirt of one of his guys for the playoffs. He has NFL traits that I think a coach who fancies himself a QB developer like Arians will want to develop. Maybe Roman too. Edited January 27, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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