New Orleans To Remove Excremental Rebel Monuments

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

But remember, it is JUST about Confederates........

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsToast]

I remember all the libtards during the Bush years saying it was 1984 group-think. 

 

Then I realized they wanted to be Big Brother. 

[B-Man]

 

But remember, it is JUST about Confederates........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

AND YET HAMMER AND SICKLE FLAGS ARE EVERYWHERE. BUT THEY CAN DESTROY EVERYONE ELSE’S SYMBOLS:  

 

Thin Blue Line Flag Goes the Way of Confederate Statues.

 

And if it were just confederate statues, it would be crazy enough. But they’re going after ever statue, even statues of saints on  church property.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 “A group of protesters toppled statues of former presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln and shattered the entrance to the Oregon Historical Society in Portland’s South Park Blocks…”

 

 

 

“I was told that this was about Confederate soldiers. . . “

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

A statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee was removed from the U.S. Capitol overnight. 

 

That is all

[Tiberius]

Bi-partisan agreement to override Trump’s veto over his objection that traitors would be removed as names as our military bases. Win, progress and a small more towards a more diverse and inclusive society. 

[Backintheday544]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Bi-partisan agreement to override Trump’s veto over his objection that traitors would be removed as names as our military bases. Win, progress and a small more towards a more diverse and inclusive society. 

This never made sense. We wouldn’t name Bills Stadium Tom Brady stadium. Don’t name bases after the opposing team.

[SoTier]

25 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

This never made sense. We wouldn’t name Bills Stadium Tom Brady stadium. Don’t name bases after the opposing team.

 

Most of these military bases/forts/facilities were established and named in the first four of the 20th century, an era marked by not only virulent racism but also xenophobia, nativism, and religious intolerance.   The popularity of Birth of a Nation, the restrictions on immigration based on country of origin, the re-emergence of the KKK to threaten Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Catholics, and immigrants, and the epidemic of lynchings of Blacks were all symptomatic of the hate mongering mood  that swept the country, especially immediately before and after WW I.   In the context of the era, these Confederates weren't traitors but "real Americans" -- white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants -- fighting to preserve "American ideals" against "alien hordes" -- Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Catholics.

[Orlando Tim]

52 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

This never made sense. We wouldn’t name Bills Stadium Tom Brady stadium. Don’t name bases after the opposing team.

It did make sense 150 years ago when we were a country that had just finished a civil war and most people of the south felt like they were being destroyed in Washington. We wanted to heal as a country and we did that partially by acknowledging the great generals of the Confederacy. Today the north and south are no longer split over the war and removing names is logical but to state that it never made sense is just being ignorant of what our country was like then.

 

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

It did make sense 150 years ago when we were a country that had just finished a civil war and most people of the south felt like they were being destroyed in Washington. We wanted to heal as a country and we did that partially by acknowledging the great generals of the Confederacy. Today the north and south are no longer split over the war and removing names is logical but to state that it never made sense is just being ignorant of what our country was like then.

 

Not scientific or anything but here’s the Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Army_installations_named_for_Confederate_soldiers

 

It looks like they were all mainly in the 1940s with a couple around 1917.

 

All way after the Civil War.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Most of these military bases/forts/facilities were established and named in the first four of the 20th century, an era marked by not only virulent racism but also xenophobia, nativism, and religious intolerance.   The popularity of Birth of a Nation, the restrictions on immigration based on country of origin, the re-emergence of the KKK to threaten Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Catholics, and immigrants, and the epidemic of lynchings of Blacks were all symptomatic of the hate mongering mood  that swept the country, especially immediately before and after WW I.   In the context of the era, these Confederates weren't traitors but "real Americans" -- white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants -- fighting to preserve "American ideals" against "alien hordes" -- Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Catholics.

Great post! I’ll add, the “threat” of female suffrage, the new mass culture which brought Hollywood movies, Chicago Jazz and urban culture right into the small communities of rural America. In the same way the war on drugs was used to target blacks, Hispanics, the poor and young people, the ridiculous experiment of prohibition was used to target the growing urban communities. The wealthy stirred up hatred of labor unions, as well. 

 

The culture war  against divorce, birth control and premarital sex were all things that drove the KKK to protect Christian culture. 

 

Ive thought for awhile that our times really mirror the situation the country was in one hundred years ago. Isolationism, is another example. 

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

It did make sense 150 years ago when we were a country that had just finished a civil war and most people of the south felt like they were being destroyed in Washington. We wanted to heal as a country and we did that partially by acknowledging the great generals of the Confederacy. Today the north and south are no longer split over the war and removing names is logical but to state that it never made sense is just being ignorant of what our country was like then.

 

Celebrating those traitors is a celebration of the racism they stood for, for so many people. 

 

The south fought to preserve and expand slavery at the expense of popular government. That should be condemned, not celebrated. 

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Great post! I’ll add, the “threat” of female suffrage, the new mass culture which brought Hollywood movies, Chicago Jazz and urban culture right into the small communities of rural America. In the same way the war on drugs was used to target blacks, Hispanics, the poor and young people, the ridiculous experiment of prohibition was used to target the growing urban communities. The wealthy stirred up hatred of labor unions, as well. 

 

The culture war  against divorce, birth control and premarital sex were all things that drove the KKK to protect Christian culture. 

 

Ive thought for awhile that our times really mirror the situation the country was in one hundred years ago. Isolationism, is another example. 

Celebrating those traitors is a celebration of the racism they stood for, for so many people. 

 

The south fought to preserve and expand slavery at the expense of popular government. That should be condemned, not celebrated. 

If I’m Biden, this is such an easy Day 1 fix. anyone that brings their confederate flag merchandise to a local Federal office will receive a participation trophy. (Any person who brings in a flag that once hung from the back of a truck gets 2!)

 

That way they can celebrate their participation and loss in the Civil War and the rest of us don’t need to see Confederate stuff anymore.

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Not scientific or anything but here’s the Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Army_installations_named_for_Confederate_soldiers

 

It looks like they were all mainly in the 1940s with a couple around 1917.

 

All way after the Civil War.

I was only aware of the 1917 ones and they were named as a olive branch to show we are all Americans, including those who were part of confederacy. That being said I was unaware of the 1942 ones and I am unaware of a good reason. I do appreciate being shown facts I am not aware of.

[SoTier]

On 1/2/2021 at 2:20 PM, Tiberius said:

Great post! I’ll add, the “threat” of female suffrage, the new mass culture which brought Hollywood movies, Chicago Jazz and urban culture right into the small communities of rural America. In the same way the war on drugs was used to target blacks, Hispanics, the poor and young people, the ridiculous experiment of prohibition was used to target the growing urban communities. The wealthy stirred up hatred of labor unions, as well. 

 

The culture war  against divorce, birth control and premarital sex were all things that drove the KKK to protect Christian culture. 

 

Ive thought for awhile that our times really mirror the situation the country was in one hundred years ago. Isolationism, is another example. 

Celebrating those traitors is a celebration of the racism they stood for, for so many people. 

 

The south fought to preserve and expand slavery at the expense of popular government. That should be condemned, not celebrated. 

 

I think that the early decades of the 20th century were much like the early decades of the 21st century: eras of massive economic/social change fueled by technological changes, massive human migrations, and political upheavals in other parts of the world.   These are conditions that breed extremism that manifests itself in hatred aimed at "outsiders".    Trumpism stems from the same sources as Fascism and Nazism and shares similar DNA.

 

[B-Man]

 

 

BYRON YORK:The Revolution Devours All Before It

 

The latest enactment of that old truth happened Tuesday night in, of all places, a Zoom meeting of the San Francisco School Board. In that meeting, members voted to strip the names of American Historical figures— George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and even California Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein — from schools in San Francisco.

 

What began in recent years as a call to remove the names of Confederate leaders from schools, roads, and military bases, and then to tear down Confederate statues, has now moved on to target all of American history.

 

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Of course they would not stop with Confederate generals. Of course they would not stop with George Washington. And they won’t stop with a liberal Democrat like Dianne Feinstein, of all people. The revolution continues to devour all before it.

 

 

 

Power up your two-way telescreen, enjoy the benefits of the new chocolate ration, and read the whole thing, comrade.

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Biggest lie/fake news of his administration outside of Covid.  Charlottesville.  

 

The reporters at this press conference were a disgrace.  It's clear to any sane person he constantly trashed white supremacists.  He also knew people were there because taking down Lee (should absolutely never happen) or Davis (that I'm fine with) means eventually it will be Washington and Jefferson.

 

White supremacists may want the statues up because the South will rise again I guess.  Americans that want the statues to stay up because they understand Trump's slippery slope argument is correct and it panned out like he said.  Both those groups were there.  They had a permit and weren't there to start a war.  I know that's exactly why the other side showed up. 

 

And the governor responsible for public safety?  Well he wasn't exactly calling for social distancing.

 

This was of no concern to the media.  A deep intellectual discussion about our history??  Nah.  Look guys---racists!  And Trump said fine people!!

 

 

 

Reporter: Do you support white nationalists, then?

 

[Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]

 

Trump: Well, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down- Excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?

 

Reporter: I do love Thomas Jefferson-(no he doesn't)

 

Trump: OK, good. Well, are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So, you know what? It's fine. You're changing history. You're changing culture and you had people, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You got a lot of bad people in the other group, too.

 

Reporter (completely playing stupid or actually is): Who was treated unfairly? Sir, I'm sorry I don't understand what you were saying (he did but needed a 154th way to ask about Neo Nazis). You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don't understand what you were saying.  (Read the bold above moron).

 

Trump: No. No. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before. If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people: neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest — and very legally protest, because you know- I don't know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit. So, I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/read-the-transcript-of-donald-trumps-jaw-dropping-press-conference.html

Edited January 27, 2021 by Big Blitz

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