Tiberius Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Like Iran? Ummm...ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ummm...ya http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html From your link, Iranians before the revolution. Edited December 13, 2017 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4148684/Stunning-photos-reveal-life-Iran-revolution.html Tibs has already loudly proclaimed he's "team Langley". So, overthrowing a moderate, secular regime and installing instead a torturing, murdering, dickbag with a bum spleen because he'll give us better trade deals is just part of the CIA doing its job to tibs. There's been no blowback from the CIA's use of false flags and regime change in Iran. It's been all roses and sunshine since "team Langley" got involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: From your link, Iranians before the revolution. Damn, look at those sluts in their knee length skirts. Good thing Iran never turned away from modernity, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 54 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Tibs has already loudly proclaimed he's "team Langley". So, overthrowing a moderate, secular regime and installing instead a torturing, murdering, dickbag with a bum spleen because he'll give us better trade deals is just part of the CIA doing its job to tibs. There's been no blowback from the CIA's use of false flags and regime change in Iran. It's been all roses and sunshine since "team Langley" got involved. Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. But to the point, that CIA takeover did press an oppressive regime on the people of Iran which was overthrown by the religious zealots who then imposed strict religious rule on the country. Let's not pretend the Iranian people just choose this crap. There are many westernized Iranians and there would be more if allowed to have the freedom to choose for themselves. 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: From your link, Iranians before the revolution. You think that is what the average Iranian's life was like? Ya right. The upper crust maybe, but not the poor slobs living day to day. You fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. But to the point, that CIA takeover did press an oppressive regime on the people of Iran which was overthrown by the religious zealots who then imposed strict religious rule on the country. Let's not pretend the Iranian people just choose this crap. There are many westernized Iranians and there would be more if allowed to have the freedom to choose for themselves. You think that is what the average Iranian's life was like? Ya right. The upper crust maybe, but not the poor slobs living day to day. You fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 7 hours ago, LeviF91 said: lol right Whats the avg? About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split. Whats the poliing among Christians? 5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: We all know that the Libertarians support The One World Order. No we dont support the silliness of border walls or nationalism The ideology is focused on the individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Whats the avg? About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split. Whats the poliing among Christians? No we dont support the silliness of border walls or nationalism The ideology is focused on the individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 16 hours ago, westerndecline said: Whats the avg? About 50% depending on varrying factors ( which is what i said ). Its basically a split. You don't know how averages work. And it doesn't matter what the "average" is, you're the one advocating that we let any and all of those folks polled into the US. 16 hours ago, westerndecline said: Whats the poliing among Christians? Even if we take your 50% out-of-your-ass number at face value, theonomy is a fringe view at best in Christianity in the US. But now we're way out of your depth, as opposed to just moderately out of your depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: You don't know how averages work. And it doesn't matter what the "average" is, you're the one advocating that we let any and all of those folks polled into the US. Even if we take your 50% out-of-your-ass number at face value, theonomy is a fringe view at best in Christianity in the US. But now we're way out of your depth, as opposed to just moderately out of your depth. This is where u lost me. I grew up in the evangelical church A majority want a theocracy A global civilization makes your borders arbitrary and pointless... The muslims cant stop secular/enlightenment values either genius. Globalization and the internet are going to make their beliefs a moot point regardless because their religion and culture is going through a renaissance and reformation as we speak... Something the west already had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, westerndecline said: I grew up in the evangelical church I was wondering where your penchant for being extraordinarily dense came from. It all makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: I was wondering where your penchant for being extraordinarily dense came from. It all makes sense now. "Theonomy is a fringe view in the US." "No it's not, I grew up in an evangelical church!" Oh, okay...then it must be mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, LeviF91 said: I was wondering where your penchant for being extraordinarily dense came from. It all makes sense now. Ad hominem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Ad hominem No, see, I didn't say you're dense because I'm using that to say that your argument sucks. Your argument sucks on its face and has no sources of data aside from your upbringing in an evangelical church (that you clearly resent, try a therapist). Your density is self-evident. Greg Bahnsen is dead and so is his kooky brand of postmillennial theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Ad hominem Who is Hope, and what does she look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 21 hours ago, Tiberius said: Ummm false, I was stationed at Langley and that's all. The overthrow was a crime, IMO. But Ike was crazy about not letting the Soviet get the oil there. Ike was worried about Russian influence in the region to be sure, but Russia certainly didn’t need the oil. And while the CIA gets credit for the overthrow, it was really an MI6 led plan but the British needed cover given their interests in Iran. And that interest can be spelled in one word, oil. When Mossadegh had the temerity to nationalize that industry in Iran, BP and the Brits couldn’t let it stand, he was ousted, the Shah installed, and Khomeini and other clerics considered to be radical, were banished. The chain of events since BP first discovered oil in Persia in the early 1900s is fascninating. If there is one commonality worldwide since, it’s that any country leader that attempts to nationalize that industry will be dealt with harshly. History bears that out. Big oil has been in bed with some of the most ruthless regimes and dictators throughout and as long as those leaders played ball, things were cool. Rock that boat and bad things happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Who is Hope, and what does she look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Ike was worried about Russian influence in the region to be sure, but Russia certainly didn’t need the oil. And while the CIA gets credit for the overthrow, it was really an MI6 led plan but the British needed cover given their interests in Iran. And that interest can be spelled in one word, oil. When Mossadegh had the temerity to nationalize that industry in Iran, BP and the Brits couldn’t let it stand, he was ousted, the Shah installed, and Khomeini and other clerics considered to be radical, were banished. The chain of events since BP first discovered oil in Persia in the early 1900s is fascninating. If there is one commonality worldwide since, it’s that any country leader that attempts to nationalize that industry will be dealt with harshly. History bears that out. Big oil has been in bed with some of the most ruthless regimes and dictators throughout and as long as those leaders played ball, things were cool. Rock that boat and bad things happened. Great post! It's my understanding that Ike felt the Cold War was at one level a battle for resources and letting the Soviet get ahold of that much oil would hurt our side. I'm sure in some future history books, or books themselves, oil will be the connecting theme of those stories. WW2 can be seen as a war for oil. Japan wanting Shell oil in Indonesia and Hitler wanting Russia oil--and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, LeviF91 said: No, see, I didn't say you're dense because I'm using that to say that your argument sucks. Your argument sucks on its face and has no sources of data aside from your upbringing in an evangelical church (that you clearly resent, try a therapist). Your density is self-evident. Greg Bahnsen is dead and so is his kooky brand of postmillennial theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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