Tiberius Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 In the last two weekends in Chicago, 98 people were shot and 13 people were killed. Not a peep from Obama about any of it. It doesn't fit the Narrative. Nor will we here a peep from the administration about this being a "hate crime" . More people shot means we don't have a problem with guns? Wow, B-Man is a total idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 CRIMINOLOGIST JAMES ALAN FOX: Umpqua shooting – a tragedy, not a trend. “I certainly don’t mean to minimize the suffering of the Oregon victims and their families, but the shooting spree is not a reflection of more deadly times. Consider the facts. According to a careful analysis of data on mass shootings (using the widely accepted definition of at least four killed), the Congressional Research Service found that there are, on average, just over 20 incidents annually. More important, the increase in cases, if there was one at all, is negligible. Indeed, the only genuine increase is in hype and hysteria.” Hillary’s got an email scandal that won’t go away. Obama has a series of Mideast debacles of near-Bibilical proportions. Naturally, they — and their loyal allies in the press — would rather we be hysterical about something else. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 More people shot means we don't have a problem with guns? Wow, B-Man is a total idiot Everyone knows there is a problem. Its how to solve it that people differ their opinions. How are those very strict gun regulations working out for chicago? Weird that just making more laws didnt stop criminals from being criminals dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That's a tough one. Not sure I can. Only amendment to mention heavy regulation, though. And its the gun amendment What's you take on it? Oh ya, you never have a take on anything, you just ask pointless questions The militia is to be well regulated, the guns are not. Were the guns to be well regulated, the document would have specifically called for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Everyone knows there is a problem. Its how to solve it that people differ their opinions. How are those very strict gun regulations working out for chicago? Weird that just making more laws didnt stop criminals from being criminals dont you think? Right, I'd like to address that point about a local law in a nation awash with guns. If one area outlaws guns but the surrounding areas don't, criminals will still get guns. Ok, maybe the problem needs to be addressed in a larger way. The militia is to be well regulated, the guns are not. Were the guns to be well regulated, the document would have specifically called for it. Ever read Jefferson's first inaugural address? Who did he say was the militia? And if they are regulated, what does that include? Seems to prop the door wide open to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That's a tough one. Not sure I can. Only amendment to mention heavy regulation, though. And its the gun amendment What's you take on it? Oh ya, you never have a take on anything, you just ask pointless questions http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181519-another-mass-shooting-this-time-in-oregon/?p=3707334 It even starts with "Here's my take on the issue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 School shootings since Newtown, in one map http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-school-shooting_560d88bde4b0af3706dff6b8 … pic.twitter.com/awJtxfL7Li And yet the media never asks officials why in the face of this they are not increasing security in schools. Why ? It doesn't fit the Narrative. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 CRIMINOLOGIST JAMES ALAN FOX: Umpqua shooting a tragedy, not a trend. I certainly dont mean to minimize the suffering of the Oregon victims and their families, but the shooting spree is not a reflection of more deadly times. Consider the facts. According to a careful analysis of data on mass shootings (using the widely accepted definition of at least four killed), the Congressional Research Service found that there are, on average, just over 20 incidents annually. More important, the increase in cases, if there was one at all, is negligible. Indeed, the only genuine increase is in hype and hysteria. Hillarys got an email scandal that wont go away. Obama has a series of Mideast debacles of near-Bibilical proportions. Naturally, they and their loyal allies in the press would rather we be hysterical about something else. . Does it matter what the trend is? The point is that its too much, too common, senseless and unacceptable Krauthammers Take: Obamas 100 Percent Knee Jerk Reaction Came When Bodies Still Warm Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/424970/krauthammers-take-obamas-100-percent-knee-jerk-reaction-came-when-bodies-still-warm-nr Is Yesterdays Awful Shooting Really Such a Mystery? by Jim Geraghty Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner Does the Media Encourage Mass Shootings? By Mona Charon Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner . Obama's press conference was a good one, if anything long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Right, I'd like to address that point about a local law in a nation awash with guns. If one area outlaws guns but the surrounding areas don't, criminals will still get guns. Ok, maybe the problem needs to be addressed in a larger way. Ever read Jefferson's first inaugural address? Who did he say was the militia? And if they are regulated, what does that include? So if we outlaw guns in one area but not another the area that has them outlawed will be able to get guns from another area? You area brilliant. And I will give you credit for saying that criminals will still get guns. Anyone intent on causing harm to other will ALWAYS find a way to get the implement to do so. And if going forward we outlaw guns there will still be enough guns out there for the criminals to find. The issue is not the guns nor their availability. It's the fact that we have mentally ill people. Once again that's the common thread we can actually do something about. Stricter gun laws may help but won't do much to solve the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That's a tough one. Not sure I can. Only amendment to mention heavy regulation, though. And its the gun amendment What's you take on it? Oh ya, you never have a take on anything, you just ask pointless questions "Well-regulated militia," you idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 So if we outlaw guns in one area but not another the area that has them outlawed will be able to get guns from another area? You area brilliant. And I will give you credit for saying that criminals will still get guns. Anyone intent on causing harm to other will ALWAYS find a way to get the implement to do so. And if going forward we outlaw guns there will still be enough guns out there for the criminals to find. The issue is not the guns nor their availability. It's the fact that we have mentally ill people. Once again that's the common thread we can actually do something about. Stricter gun laws may help but won't do much to solve the problem. Other countries have banned guns and its worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Other countries have banned guns and its worked So we are all clear...you want to ban all guns in the US? How do we defend ourselves? Throw used condoms at the enemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Other countries have banned guns and its worked So your suggestion to "fix" the problem is 100% impossible. Thanks for your contribution. Oh and BTW which countries have banned guns? Edited October 2, 2015 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Other countries have banned guns and its worked Care to explain Switzerlands gun ownership rates and comparatively low crime rates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Right, I'd like to address that point about a local law in a nation awash with guns. If one area outlaws guns but the surrounding areas don't, criminals will still get guns. Ok, maybe the problem needs to be addressed in a larger way. Ever read Jefferson's first inaugural address? Who did he say was the militia? And if they are regulated, what does that include? Seems to prop the door wide open to me The militia is formed from the people, however the people are not primarily militia. The document does not call for the people to be heavily regulated either. Only to be regulated when they come together as militia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 So your suggestion to "fix" the problem is 100% impossible. Thanks for your contribution. Oh and BTW which countries have banned guns? Just throwing it out there, not saying I support going that far...yet The militia is formed from the people, however the people are not primarily militia. The document does not call for the people to be heavily regulated either. Only to be regulated when they come together as militia. So its not so clear cut, exactly my point. Open to interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Just throwing it out there, not saying I support going that far...yet Once again. What countries have banned guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Play Video How Australia, Britain and Canada Have Responded to Gun Violence LONDON — After the shooting at Umpqua Community College, a visibly angry President Obama pointedly noted the contrasting responses in the United States and its allies to gun violence. “Other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings,” he said on Thursday. “Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” In Australia, Britain and Canada, mass killings have had a mobilizing effect and resulted in changes to laws and regulations. AustraliaThe turning point was in April 1996, when a man armed with semiautomatic weapons killed 35 people and wounded 23 in Port Arthur, Tasmania. The national outcry that followed led to the rapid introduction of tight restrictions on firearms, including a ban on almost all automatic and semiautomatic rifles, as well as shotguns. Continue reading the main story Related Coverage Chris Harper Mercer, Oregon Gunman, Is Recalled as a Recluse Close to His Mother OCT. 2, 2015 Investigators of Oregon Shooting Seek Answers as Victims Are Mourned OCT. 2, 2015 Obama Condemns ‘Routine’ of Mass Shootings, Says U.S. Has Become Numb OCT. 1, 2015 John Howard, who had only recently become prime minister when the legislation was enacted, said the process was not easy. The effort required each of Australia’s states and territories to enact their own laws, called for an ambitious gun-buyback program that led to the recovery and destruction of more than 600,000 weapons, and imposed a one-time tax on all Australians. Some of Mr. Howard’s center-right coalition supporters, including rural residents who had long owned guns, resented the fact that they had to give up their weapons because of the criminal behavior of others, Mr. Howard wrote in 2013 in The New York Times. But Australia also had fewer barriers than the United States to enacting gun control: There is no constitutional right to bear arms, and there are no pro-gun lobbying groups with the influence of the National Rifle Association. “In the end, we won the battle to change gun laws because there was majority support across Australia for banning certain weapons,” he wrote, adding, “Few Australians would deny that their country is safer today as a consequence of gun control.” Although the restrictions have not eliminated gun crime — two people were killed in a shootout on Friday in the Sydney suburb of Parramatta — there have been no gun massacres, defined as having more than four victims, since the laws were put in place in 1996. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/australia-britain-canada-us-gun-legislation.html?_r=0 Once again. What countries have banned guns? Why are you asking me when you can do your own research? Lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Why are you asking me when you can do your own research? Lazy It's called the Socratic method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/australia-britain-canada-us-gun-legislation.html?_r=0 Why are you asking me when you can do your own research? Lazy Why should I research your assertion that there are countries out there that have banned guns? You used it as an argument for gun control so please tell me what countries have banned guns. BTW I have no idea if there are actually countries that have banned guns. I figured since you made the statement you'd be the best person to start my research with. Edited October 2, 2015 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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