Augie Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ha, I guess I just think of him when he was at Tech. He was listed at 5'11" 195lbs back then [/quote The NFL is a grown mans game... He had to grow.... Nobody told Russell Wilson though... Who comes in if Tyrod gets blown up? I wish he had a little more "duck" in him. Wilson is a master ducker/step OB. I love gutsy, but I prefer healthy and available. All that said, I'm excited. This news along with Fred was well calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Do you think that most 1-2 read, waterbug, gimmick QBs have the support players he has? You want to devote 2 over the top spies on 3rd and long with Sammy, Percy, Woods, Clay and McCoy out there? Yes, because Taylor is a run-first quarterback. Defenses will use loaded packages that commit pressure from 3-4 linemen/linebackers on one side of the ball forcing Taylor to break left out if the pocket. Taylor will commit to the run, and tuck the ball, which is what he does, and the spies will run him out of bounds before the first down marker. It doesn't matter if he has Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Tony Gonzales, and Jim Brown out there; once Taylor has decided to run with it, they're irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yes, because Taylor is a run-first quarterback. Defenses will use loaded packages that commit pressure from 3-4 linemen/linebackers on one side of the ball forcing Taylor to break left out if the pocket. Taylor will commit to the run, and tuck the ball, which is what he does, and the spies will run him out of bounds before the first down marker. It doesn't matter if he has Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Tony Gonzales, and Jim Brown out there; once Taylor has decided to run with it, they're irrelevant. Still don't understand why people think this and say this. He throws far more often than he runs. He is a throw first QB with the potential to hit a big run when his receivers aren't open. That is a huge asset in a quarterback. It is not a drawback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Still don't understand why people think this and say this. He throws far more often than he runs. He is a throw first QB with the potential to hit a big run when his receivers aren't open. That is a huge asset in a quarterback. It is not a drawback. The reasoning is most young runners fall back on it when bullets start flying. To declare we know what he will be based on a few preseason drives is a bit much, but to speak to the specific post -if you can get pressure that rolls him to his weaker passing side, one would guess running comes up quickly in the options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Still don't understand why people think this and say this. He throws far more often than he runs. He is a throw first QB with the potential to hit a big run when his receivers aren't open. That is a huge asset in a quarterback. It is not a drawback. Was going to post this too - completely disagree that he's "run first". I'm watching the Steelers game right now (with a more critical eye on Tyrod) and I can't help but be impressed by his ability to stand in the pocket, calm and cool and deliver the ball. And as I type this, he runs for his 20 yard TD It's gonna be a fun season - so glad I'm going to be at the opener!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Still don't understand why people think this and say this. He throws far more often than he runs. He is a throw first QB with the potential to hit a big run when his receivers aren't open. That is a huge asset in a quarterback. It is not a drawback.Of course he throws more often than he runs, that's not what the term "run-first" means. Run-first has to do with what a quarterback does, under pressure, when trying to progress through his reads. Tyrod is a guy who tucked and scrambled in 7 on 7s with no pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Of course he throws more often than he runs, that's not what the term "run-first" means. Run-first has to do with what a quarterback does, under pressure, when trying to progress through his reads. Tyrod is a guy who tucked and scrambled in 7 on 7s with no pass rush. I just Googled the term and tried looking for a definition for "run first quarterback" and couldn't come up with anything. I think your definition of it is misleading. What you are talking about is a "run tendency when pressured" quarterback or something along those lines. In my mind, "run first" automatically implies that he runs with the ball as a first choice instead of throwing the ball as a first choice. And that isn't Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I just Googled the term and tried looking for a definition for "run first quarterback" and couldn't come up with anything. I think your definition of it is misleading. What you are talking about is a "run tendency when pressured" quarterback or something along those lines. In my mind, "run first" automatically implies that he runs with the ball as a first choice instead of throwing the ball as a first choice. And that isn't Tyrod Taylor. Which qb do you picture as run first by your definition? Based on no one fitting yours, I'd venture that his definition is closer to realistic, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan888 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just force him to throw the ball deep. Keep someone in the middle of the field as a spy and then protect against the mid range. Tyrod has yet to show he has a good deep ball and if you're Indy you make him show you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I just Googled the term and tried looking for a definition for "run first quarterback" and couldn't come up with anything. I think your definition of it is misleading. What you are talking about is a "run tendency when pressured" quarterback or something along those lines. In my mind, "run first" automatically implies that he runs with the ball as a first choice instead of throwing the ball as a first choice. And that isn't Tyrod Taylor. Why do you think it is that that term "run first quarterback" is common vernacular, and "run tendency when pressured quarterback" is not? It's because "run first quarterback" is the term used to describe them. There are no quarterbacks in the NFL who run more than they throw. Other "run first quarterbacks": RG3, Tyrell Pryor, Jake Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yes, because Taylor is a run-first quarterback. Defenses will use loaded packages that commit pressure from 3-4 linemen/linebackers on one side of the ball forcing Taylor to break left out if the pocket. Taylor will commit to the run, and tuck the ball, which is what he does, and the spies will run him out of bounds before the first down marker. It doesn't matter if he has Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Tony Gonzales, and Jim Brown out there; once Taylor has decided to run with it, they're irrelevant. He ran once in 14 pass plays against the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 And as I type this, he runs for his 20 yard TD This play is not helping your point IMHO. ON THAT play he drops back and hardly even looks downfield and takes off. Actually I think this play was a designed run. Drop back and take off. It worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Try this ONE SECRET TRICK for stopping Tyrod Taylor. If our coaching staff picked a QB that is easy to stop then we move on to the next man up. I trust Greg Roman to use Taylor's skill set the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJuice Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 stack the box... that leaves sammy, clay and harvin in single coverage. can't wait. Don't forget Robert Woods. Think about that catch he made in Chicago last year. I believe that was a big 3rd down and considering the game went to overtime.... Don't forget about him. Actually, do. It helps him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Which qb do you picture as run first by your definition? Based on no one fitting yours, I'd venture that his definition is closer to realistic, no? When a QB is in the wildcat formation, then you could call him a "run-first" quarterback. But, in most situations there is no such thing as a "run-first" quarterback. That is the point. The term "run first quarterback" is a misleading term that serves no purpose other than to cause miscommunication and arguments over something that doesn't even exist. The English language has plenty of words and phrases to describe a quarterback who has a higher propensity to run when pressured in passing situations. If you want to abbreviate it then call him a "run-talented" quarterback or "run-minded" quarterback or "dual-threat" quarterback or "gifted-runner" quarterback or come up with a better phrase yet. But calling him a "run-first" quarterback is just misleading and untruthful. And you won't get your point across properly to the person you are speaking to if that person actually understands English. Edited September 1, 2015 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreezeMafia Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just force him to throw the ball deep. Keep someone in the middle of the field as a spy and then protect against the mid range. Tyrod has yet to show he has a good deep ball and if you're Indy you make him show you that. I see your point. Question - whats your definition, in yards, for deep? Throwing deep could mean throwing deep to a specific spot and let Sammy / Clay / Woods make a play. I am honestly ok with that. If you force the deep throws, that's fine, but that then has the D susceptible to a lot of crossing routes, which I am ok with as well. I think what the Bills will need to monitor the most is how gassed / exhausted TT may get if in fact he is frequently mobile through out the game. D's could play it like this - if TT just rolled out / bootlegged / whatever, high % the next play will be a run because TT will need to catch his breath and his mental thoughts. At the end of the day, I am A OK with TT being our starter. 11-5 baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Why do you think it is that that term "run first quarterback" is common vernacular, and "run tendency when pressured quarterback" is not? It's because "run first quarterback" is the term used to describe them. There are no quarterbacks in the NFL who run more than they throw. Other "run first quarterbacks": RG3, Tyrell Pryor, Jake Locker. That's the thing, the term "run first quarterback" is not a common phrase at all. It is a phrase that people used here to paint an exaggerated picture of a quarterback who runs the ball more often in passing situations instead of looking to pass it. Google it. You will see for yourself. There is a wikipedia page for the term "dual-threat quarterback" which is a much more accurate term to describe quarterbacks like Tyrod Taylor who have enough of the right kind of talent that allows them to make plays with their legs in addition to their arms. That is a much more accurate description of Tyrod Taylor than what you are using. Why not just tell the truth and use the right words for the right situation? The only reason not to use the proper terms is if you have some kind of agenda of making the guy out to be something he isn't. And I assume that you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That's the thing, the term "run first quarterback" is not a common phrase at all. It is a phrase that people used here to paint an exaggerated picture of a quarterback who runs the ball more often in passing situations instead of looking to pass it. Google it. You will see for yourself. There is a wikipedia page for the term "dual-threat quarterback" which is a much more accurate term to describe quarterbacks like Tyrod Taylor who have enough of the right kind of talent that allows them to make plays with their legs in addition to their arms. That is a much more accurate description of Tyrod Taylor than what you are using. Why not just tell the truth and use the right words for the right situation? The only reason not to use the proper terms is if you have some kind of agenda of making the guy out to be something he isn't. And I assume that you don't. It's not mine, nor anyone else's, fault that you've never heard the phrase "run first" quarterback. A quick google search brings up pages of results referencing the term. The fact that you don't like the phrase, because it's a pejorative, doesn't somehow confer on him the Bo Jacksonesque ability to decide how he's going to beat you, and magically make him into a "dual-threat" quarterback. Tyrod, while explosive, is one dimensional. He doesn't progress through his reads while under pressure, and that allows defenses to control his decision making. You saw this in the second preseason game, where Cleveland flushed him out of the pocket to his left on third and long, and then ushered him out of bounds well before the first down marker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 According to Rotoworld, they will look at 2010 tape from Virginia Tech and come to the conclusion Tyrod isn't fit to be an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Indy's game plan for Taylor isn't going to be some secret recipe that we can't predict. It's going to be the same type of game plan that would be in place for Wilson, Kaepernick, Vick, etc. Containment and making the quarterback throw downfield. With that said, Taylor has shown progress in camp and preseason that he's not the same sub 60% passer that he was in his entire college career and Baltimore, prior to the Bills. Hopefully we'll see the same in a couple weeks. I'm pretty sure that Indy is going to give him every opportunity to beat them throwing the football. I expect Indy to go at Darby all day on offense too. He looked pretty terrible against Bryant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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