truth on hold Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 And, unless it met the specific definitions, those claiming terrorism would be wrong.This? TABGHA, Israel Israeli police say they have arrested 16 Jewish settler youths after a Catholic church near the Sea of Galilee was heavily damaged by an arson attack Thursday. A fire broke out at the Church of the Multiplication in the middle of the night, causing extensive damage to the inside and outside of the building, said Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. A passage from a Jewish prayer, calling for the elimination of idol worship, was found scrawled in red spray paint on a wall outside the church. http://nypost.com/2015/06/18/israeli-youths-arrested-after-arson-attack-on-catholic-church/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) And, unless it met the specific definitions, those claiming terrorism would be wrong. Below from the FBI's site defining domestic terrorism. Sure seems like the event in the church meets the "Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" standard along with bullets 1 and 3. "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics: Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. Edited June 19, 2015 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Below from the FBI's site defining domestic terrorism. Sure seems like the event in the church meets the "Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" standard along with bullets 1 and 3. "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics: Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. What's the action that the civillian population is being intimidated or coerced to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 What's the action that the civillian population is being intimidated or coerced to do? Police on Thursday captured the racist madman who fatally shot nine black people at a historic South Carolina church while shouting “I have to do it!” and “You have to go!,” authorities and a survivor said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Police on Thursday captured the racist madman who fatally shot nine black people at a historic South Carolina church while shouting I have to do it! and You have to go!, authorities and a survivor said. That's... Not indicative of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's... Not indicative of anything. One of his friends said he intended to start a race war. The difference I see is that it does not appear he was part of a group with the same goal. Was Major Hassan part of a group? Sorta kinda. The differences are pretty narrow. The differences get wider when compared to 9 11, Khobar Towers or many other incidents. It makes no difference to the deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's... Not indicative of anything. It's indicative of a MKUltra false-flag event caused by fluoridated water and chemtrails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's indicative of a MKUltra false-flag event caused by fluoridated water and chemtrails. Wow, I believe you've covered at least 75% of George Noory's radio show in a single sentence. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Wow, I believe you've covered at least 75% of George Noory's radio show in a single sentence. Impressive. Coast to coast, with your host, DC Tom. It would be great to hear someone calling his guests 'idiot' with every other breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Clearly an act of terror per FBI definition, and enabled by our liberal gun laws But hey rather than addressing the problems right here at home, let's spend gazillions on the mideast every year Edited June 20, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Clearly an act of terror per FBI definition, and enabled by our liberal gun laws But hey rather than addressing the problems right here at home, let's spend gazillions on the mideast every year Why don't you just post "bump". "Crusade" would work too. Edited June 21, 2015 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Clearly an act of terror per FBI definition, and enabled by our liberal gun laws But hey rather than addressing the problems right here at home, let's spend gazillions on the mideast every year bullcrap - he was enabled by the ACLU and their successful campaign to release mentally disturbed people back into society. How many more lunatics are going to slaughter innocent people before the left wakes up and starts treating psychopaths like the dangerous people they really are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Clearly an act of terror per FBI definition, and enabled by our liberal gun laws What should be the gun laws then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Clearly an act of terror per FBI definition, and enabled by our liberal gun laws But hey rather than addressing the problems right here at home, let's spend gazillions on the mideast every year Let's also ignore the fact that the federal legal definition of "terrorism" is such bull **** that virtually any crime can be made to fit the definition. Leave it to you to use a bull **** definition to make a bull **** point. To say nothing of the gatorman fallacy of you using a definition that conclusively declares every Palestinian male a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Let's also ignore the fact that the federal legal definition of "terrorism" is such bull **** that virtually any crime can be made to fit the definition. Who gets to make the "official" definition? The authorities or rednecks who fit it around their biases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Who gets to make the "official" definition? The authorities or rednecks who fit it around their biases? You're a fool. This has nothing to do with terrorism or rednecks. It has everything to do with insanity and evil. Treat it as such, for God's sake. There's nothing political about this. The guy is batsh%t crazy, and should have been locked up and medicated before this ever happened. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia State, Aurora - those were all mentally disturbed, sick people that needed help. But can we lock them up and medicate them? No, that is a violation of their constitutional freedom. Let them roam about, mingling with the general public, and when they go off the deep end and start blowing innocent people away, then go ahead and blame guns because it fits your pathetic, unimaginative mantra. Before you start assigning a lack of intellect to 'rednecks', I'd suggest you start showing that you're actually smarter than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Reportedly the racist was into crack and meth so it's going to be interesting to see what the media portrays his politics as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 we can imagine if the facts were the same except the perpetrator was a Muslim man, it would undoubtedly be described as an act of terror. And unlike this situation we'd be constantly reminded that the acts of one man are just that. I doubt it would be popular to use it as a springboard for a "dialogue" on religious hostilities - particularly Muslim against non-Muslim hostilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorguy Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 The people in that church have forgave him, maybe, just maybe, the jury willl too, and spare him death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Reportedly the racist was into crack and meth so it's going to be interesting to see what the media portrays his politics as. there is little doubt on that score. Dylann Roof appears more evil than disturbed. Perhaps he had mental health issues. But at some point we just need to call him evil. White supremacy and segregation are evils. He appears to have believed in both. People who believe in white supremacy and segregation do not have to suffer from mental health, but do in all cases have to be evil. As Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said yesterday, evil is real and the government is not going to legislate it away. {snip} The facts do not matter though. Yet again we have a twenty-something white male loner or semi-loner who got a gun and decided to kill people. In most cases we have found that the mass shooter was mentally disturbed. In this case, it looks more and more than Dylann Roof was just a servant of an evil that says some of those created in the image of God are better than others or that some people are not created in the image of God at all. As a nation, when these things happen, we never have the conversation about real evil. We also never have the conversation about mental health. For that matter, we don’t have honest conversations about why some kid in Minnesota or Alabama would want to go join ISIS and kill their fellow citizens or why some kid would want to join neo-nazis or a gang. Instead, we descend into partisan conversations where everything is political and neither side can concede or acknowledge the other’s points. Everyone and everything gets blamed while ignoring the actual person who killed. http://www.redstate.com/2015/06/19/the-conversation-we-wont-have/ The most powerful evidence that the South has definitively rejected slavery, insurrection, and racism is that it stopped voting Democrat. . Edited June 21, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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