Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 You'd have to be some kind of epic fool to not want Dareus re-signed. DO IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) there is??? No. There isn't. Don't want him next year, don't want him now, didn't want him 2 years ago. I think your wrong & time will tell who's right. He'd be the best QB we've had here since Jimbo bar none. Right now, we are at slim pickens / nothing & Slim just died. Edited May 28, 2015 by mitchmurraydowntown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I think your wrong & time will tell who's right. He'd be the best QB we've had here since Jimbo bar none. Right now, we are at slim pickens / nothing & Slim just died. With Brees we become a strong favorite to get to a Super Bowl with the balance of our team. With Dareus we are simply trying for the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I think your wrong & time will tell who's right. He'd be the best QB we've had here since Jimbo bar none. Right now, we are at slim pickens / nothing & Slim just died.you'reI think your wrong & time will tell who's right. He'd be the best QB we've had here since Jimbo bar none. Right now, we are at slim pickens / nothing & Slim just died.you're Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Can't wait for the Fallout! oh wait not what you meant? can't wait to stomp through Foxboro and shoot up Patriot* Zombies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 First of all... I am all for the Dareus extension.. .let's get it done. Secondly.. there will be costs ( not just financial) associated with this extension due to salary cap ramifications... particularly in 2016. What are you willing to give up in future years in order lock up Dareus long term? Are you willing to give up Percy Harvin? Leodis McKelvin? Chris Williams ( ok.. CW is kind of a no brainer)? What if a high quality FA QB pops up on the market in 2016( Phillip Rivers/ Brees???) and we don't have the cap space to sign them due to the Dareus extension? Also.. Mario Williams will certainly need to restructure his deal to give the Bills some breathing room in 2016 and beyond if Dareus extends. Do you think Mario will restructure? According to http://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills/ here's what the Bills situation looks like now...( pre Dareus restructure) 2015 - $6.5 mil in cap space 2016 - $1.5 mil in cap space We certainly have room in 2015 to restructure Dareus .. however.. after plugging in a reasonable contract for Dareus into this tool... the Bills will certainly go over the cap substantially in 2016.. and that is after assuming the Bills cut Williams, Harvin and McKelvin in 2016 to get under the cap. The only way we can get this done and make it work long term is to have Super Mario restructure.. and even if he does that .. we will only have ~ $5 mil or so to spend for FA and rookies in 2016. So here's the hypothetical.... would you be willing to let Dareus go in order to free up money in 2016 for the cap room to sign/ trade for the best FA vet QB on the market in 2016? I would rather see us keep the defense together and hope for growth at the quarterback position. If Cassel does not end up the starter I would hope they get rid of him next year as over $5 mil is too much for a backup qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 you'reyou're Is there any history to this post? It seems a bit out of chatacter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 First of all... I am all for the Dareus extension.. .let's get it done. I think most of us are in agreement here. Secondly.. there will be costs ( not just financial) associated with this extension due to salary cap ramifications... particularly in 2016. What are you willing to give up in future years in order lock up Dareus long term? Are you willing to give up Percy Harvin? Leodis McKelvin? Chris Williams ( ok.. CW is kind of a no brainer)? What if a high quality FA QB pops up on the market in 2016( Phillip Rivers/ Brees???) and we don't have the cap space to sign them due to the Dareus extension? Percy Harvin might not ending up costing us that much. Lets keep in mind that he is playing on a run dom team with pretty good WR all around him...he wont get the numbers to justify a gaudy contract in this offensive system....and something tells me its more about fit for Percy then just dollars.......Leodis McKelvin is a GONER.....maybe not this year but next for sure. You dont draft Darby and keep McKelvin......Chris Williams might already be a goner. A not on QB....what people dont understand is that there no luck, rivers, manning, brees in our future.....we have decided to biuld and spend our dollars AROUND the QB position.....what is MOST likely to happen is we DRAFT a QB with our 1st round QB because it is the cheapest best way to find a QB to groom. When you sink all that money into the DL.....there really is no other choice. Also.. Mario Williams will certainly need to restructure his deal to give the Bills some breathing room in 2016 and beyond if Dareus extends. Do you think Mario will restructure? I think the restructure of Mario is a forgone conclusion because you can give up up front cash without sacrificing cap......its gonna get done just a matter of when. According to http://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills/ here's what the Bills situation looks like now...( pre Dareus restructure) 2015 - $6.5 mil in cap space 2016 - $1.5 mil in cap space We certainly have room in 2015 to restructure Dareus .. however.. after plugging in a reasonable contract for Dareus into this tool... the Bills will certainly go over the cap substantially in 2016.. and that is after assuming the Bills cut Williams, Harvin and McKelvin in 2016 to get under the cap. The only way we can get this done and make it work long term is to have Super Mario restructure.. and even if he does that .. we will only have ~ $5 mil or so to spend for FA and rookies in 2016. Some of these guys are not going to be here......Whaley has said as much when he talked about it being important to draft well to replace high dollar players. So here's the hypothetical.... would you be willing to let Dareus go in order to free up money in 2016 for the cap room to sign/ trade for the best FA vet QB on the market in 2016? If there was going to be such QB (which there is not) the bills will not be able to do this....nor should they. The identity of this team relies in its defense........which is dominant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 First of all... I am all for the Dareus extension.. .let's get it done. According to http://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills/ here's what the Bills situation looks like now...( pre Dareus restructure) 2015 - $6.5 mil in cap space 2016 - $1.5 mil in cap space We certainly have room in 2015 to restructure Dareus .. however.. after plugging in a reasonable contract for Dareus into this tool... the Bills will certainly go over the cap substantially in 2016.. and that is after assuming the Bills cut Williams, Harvin and McKelvin in 2016 to get under the cap. The only way we can get this done and make it work long term is to have Super Mario restructure.. and even if he does that .. we will only have ~ $5 mil or so to spend for FA and rookies in 2016. So here's the hypothetical.... would you be willing to let Dareus go in order to free up money in 2016 for the cap room to sign/ trade for the best FA vet QB on the market in 2016? There is no need at all for this sort of panic. Though it is difficult to determine the current top 51 for 2016 at this point, I'll stick with your $1.5M of cap space next year. The cap will be going up by around $10M...bringing cap space to $11.5M. We will carry over the $7M from this year....... $18.5M. The Harvin contract has already been triggered so yrs 2&3 are void...adding $8M from your figures....... $26.5M The $10M lump payment for Clay will undoubtedly be reworked to a new SB adding $7.5M($8M?)....... $34M. On top of that we can save many millions by extending Mario(he has already stated that he will rework his contract if needed). The Bills have everything under control. I believe I heard on ESPN radio that the cap is expected to increase by 40% from where it is now over the next 2 years. Time alone will allow us enough room to not be in any trouble. We probably wont spend again like we have in the past 2 years, but we'll be able to sign our guys and be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Mario is definitely the key. I'm sure there's much appeal to keep his Dline brother in the family and keep a very special Dline intact - I don't think that can be ignored especially if there's a feeling everything else will come together soon to make a run at a championship. Edited May 28, 2015 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Personally, I'd like to see some success the way the team is set up now before committing the balance of our cap to the strongest part of our team (versus the weakest part, QB). There's a chance that we can lure a Drew Brees or some other QB away from another team as needed & use Dareus as trade bait, I'd be all in. I like Dareus and all but reality is we are committing too many resources to Rex's favorite project, the defense. I'd like to switch that money towards a missing piece, the QB. Like I said, loading up on the strongest part of the team may not lead to more success. Lets see how it goes. the theoretical trade for Bree's is just plain silly. First he is Not available and if he was his best days are behind him. way behind him. The Saints Are not going to unload Bree's for even more cap hell meaning Dareus.dareus has not even peaked yet. letting him go would make the stupidity of some other D-lineman let go during the Wilson regime pale in comparison. Hopefully you remember the names. dareus is not going anywhere. The offseason is way too long. Since the post above even makes armchair GM's cringe. rex Ryans philosophy has zero to do with resigning dareus. The kid can flat out play. Since Close to 31 other teams would grab him in a heartbeat. For good reason. Old over the hill QB's solve nothing. and when they do become available there is a reason for that. they are done competing at a high level. brees is nearing that part of his career. Edited May 28, 2015 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I believe I heard on ESPN radio that the cap is expected to increase by 40% from where it is now over the next 2 years. Time alone will allow us enough room to not be in any trouble. We probably wont spend again like we have in the past 2 years, but we'll be able to sign our guys and be ok. Not that I disagree that the cap will be going up in large enough chunks over the next 2 years to help us easily re-sign our talent, but....40% has to be incorrect. That would be a $57M increase in 2 years...or two increases of $28.5M. That isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 You'd have to be some kind of epic fool to not want Dareus re-signed. DO IT. one word Alex Carrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Not that I disagree that the cap will be going up in large enough chunks over the next 2 years to help us easily re-sign our talent, but....40% has to be incorrect. That would be a $57M increase in 2 years...or two increases of $28.5M. That isn't going to happen.He may be thinking of the NBA cap. That is about to go nuts. At any rate, I vote that we all defer to Dibs on salary cap matters from this point forward. Who's with me?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 First of all... I am all for the Dareus extension.. .let's get it done. Secondly.. there will be costs ( not just financial) associated with this extension due to salary cap ramifications... particularly in 2016. What are you willing to give up in future years in order lock up Dareus long term? Are you willing to give up Percy Harvin? Leodis McKelvin? Chris Williams ( ok.. CW is kind of a no brainer)? What if a high quality FA QB pops up on the market in 2016( Phillip Rivers/ Brees???) and we don't have the cap space to sign them due to the Dareus extension? Also.. Mario Williams will certainly need to restructure his deal to give the Bills some breathing room in 2016 and beyond if Dareus extends. Do you think Mario will restructure? According to http://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills/ here's what the Bills situation looks like now...( pre Dareus restructure) 2015 - $6.5 mil in cap space 2016 - $1.5 mil in cap space We certainly have room in 2015 to restructure Dareus .. however.. after plugging in a reasonable contract for Dareus into this tool... the Bills will certainly go over the cap substantially in 2016.. and that is after assuming the Bills cut Williams, Harvin and McKelvin in 2016 to get under the cap. The only way we can get this done and make it work long term is to have Super Mario restructure.. and even if he does that .. we will only have ~ $5 mil or so to spend for FA and rookies in 2016. So here's the hypothetical.... would you be willing to let Dareus go in order to free up money in 2016 for the cap room to sign/ trade for the best FA vet QB on the market in 2016? The bills have a guy the pay handsomely to worry about all this. Once the team is a winner, the rest will take care of itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Is there any history to this post? It seems a bit out of chatacter.nope. Just being a wisenheimer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Dareus is the most important player on a very good defense and will be extended. I will never understand why people worry about salary cap space though. It's not a hard number and can easily be changed so why worry about it? If a QB or any other player wanted to join the Bills and the Bills wanted to sign him a deal would be worked out no matter what the Bills cap situation is. The Saints are over the cap every year but still sign free agents. I think this is McKelvins last year with the Bills regardless. Chris Williams will most likely not be on the team this year and Harvin could always be restructured to lower his number if he has a good year and both sides want to work out an extension. The cap is also expected to really jump over the next few years as well but Whaley has already said the Bills will not be active in free agency next year. Edited May 29, 2015 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 There is no need at all for this sort of panic. Though it is difficult to determine the current top 51 for 2016 at this point, I'll stick with your $1.5M of cap space next year. The cap will be going up by around $10M...bringing cap space to $11.5M. We will carry over the $7M from this year....... $18.5M. The Harvin contract has already been triggered so yrs 2&3 are void...adding $8M from your figures....... $26.5M The $10M lump payment for Clay will undoubtedly be reworked to a new SB adding $7.5M($8M?)....... $34M. On top of that we can save many millions by extending Mario(he has already stated that he will rework his contract if needed). The Bills have everything under control. Haven't seen anyone refute this. Too lazy to look up numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 First of all... I am all for the Dareus extension.. .let's get it done. Secondly.. there will be costs ( not just financial) associated with this extension due to salary cap ramifications... particularly in 2016. What are you willing to give up in future years in order lock up Dareus long term? Are you willing to give up Percy Harvin? Leodis McKelvin? Chris Williams ( ok.. CW is kind of a no brainer)? What if a high quality FA QB pops up on the market in 2016( Phillip Rivers/ Brees???) and we don't have the cap space to sign them due to the Dareus extension? Also.. Mario Williams will certainly need to restructure his deal to give the Bills some breathing room in 2016 and beyond if Dareus extends. Do you think Mario will restructure? According to http://overthecap.com/calculator/buffalo-bills/ here's what the Bills situation looks like now...( pre Dareus restructure) 2015 - $6.5 mil in cap space 2016 - $1.5 mil in cap space We certainly have room in 2015 to restructure Dareus .. however.. after plugging in a reasonable contract for Dareus into this tool... the Bills will certainly go over the cap substantially in 2016.. and that is after assuming the Bills cut Williams, Harvin and McKelvin in 2016 to get under the cap. The only way we can get this done and make it work long term is to have Super Mario restructure.. and even if he does that .. we will only have ~ $5 mil or so to spend for FA and rookies in 2016. So here's the hypothetical.... would you be willing to let Dareus go in order to free up money in 2016 for the cap room to sign/ trade for the best FA vet QB on the market in 2016? Chris Williams, Harvin, McKelvin or Dareus is a no-brainer. I don't think a top-notch QB will hit the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 It will not be a problem to sign Dareus and Gilmore, then Glenn and Woods in 2016, and Sammy in 2017. 2015 is Frdeddy's swan song, hello Karlos the Jackal. The cap goes up $10M in 2016 & again in 2017. In 2016 a rehabilitated Percy Harvin signs back with Seattle for 5 years. I can't see Mario here after 2017. He will either retire or take a big pay cut / restructure. Kyle & Leodis retire after 2017, as does Corey Graham, Manny Lawson and maybe Eric Wood. Lawson has ten years in the league already. Shady has two to three good years left. Tons of room for cuts, retirees and restructuring. In 2017 Incognito is banned from the league as he actually rips somebody's head off and sh1ts down their throat. He's been wanting to do that for a while now. There is plenty of room to retain Dareus, Gilmore, Glenn, Woods, and Sammy. How good will the team be is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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