Punching Bag Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I'd have no problems with Chris Hogan working out with DBs in camp as well as WRs. As a 4th WR he might not get a lot of time on field and in crisis or special situation he might be inserted into the field as a DB. It also may help learn to beat coverage. He definitely has ball skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 I'd have no problems with Chris Hogan working out with DBs in camp as well as WRs. As a 4th WR he might not get a lot of time on field and in crisis or special situation he might be inserted into the field as a DB. It also may help learn to beat coverage. He definitely has ball skills. He already has ball skills and can break coverage ("he's always open")...so he knows all the tricks. There isn't a WR out there that could beat Hogan one on one because he is cut from the very cloth he covers. That's the gold at the bottom of the glory hole I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) He already has ball skills and can break coverage ("he's always open")... Wait just a minute. Break coverage, or just break the law? Was Hogan really "always open," or did he just steal Da'Rick Rogers' identity during training camp? Maybe we should trade Hogan to New England and re-sign Da'Rick to play corner. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/nyregion/us-seizes-14-7-eleven-stores-in-immigration-raids.html?_r=0 More than a dozen 7-Eleven franchises took in more than $180 million in revenue by running a “modern-day plantation system,” prosecutors in New York charged on Monday, built on the unpaid labor of dozens of illegal immigrants hired using sham Social Security numbers. * * * * * * * * * * * Through the scheme, the defendants, who as franchisees for the parent company were licensed to use 7-Eleven buildings, trademarks and Slurpee and hot dog machines, recruited more than 50 illegal immigrants and gave them identities stolen from American citizens, including children and dead people. * * * * * * * * * * * “From their 7-Eleven stores the defendants dispensed wire fraud and identity theft, along with Slurpees and hot dogs,” Ms. Lynch said. “In bedroom communities across Long Island and Virginia, the defendants not only systematically employed illegal immigrants but concealed their crimes by raiding the cradle and grave to steal the identify of children and even the dead.” . . . Edited March 17, 2015 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Wait just a minute. Break coverage, or just break the law? Was Hogan really "always open," or did he just steal Da'Rick Rogers' identity during training camp? Maybe we should trade Hogan to New England and re-sign Da'Rick to play corner. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/nyregion/us-seizes-14-7-eleven-stores-in-immigration-raids.html?_r=0 Heyyyyyyy, I agree with the other guy's thread...we need some bad boys on this team. If he stole some identities, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 No, the kid is coming into his own as a slot WR. Runs great routes and has awesome hands. Depth at WR is a luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 He already has ball skills and can break coverage ("he's always open")...so he knows all the tricks. There isn't a WR out there that could beat Hogan one on one because he is cut from the very cloth he covers. That's the gold at the bottom of the glory hole I was referring to. Really. Like I said before , He is too STIFF. Stiff hips. I thought Glass and him would get cut anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Funny...people seem to think Hogan is the next Wes Welker, or a completely useless piece of garbage, around here. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Funny...people seem to think Hogan is the next Wes Welker, or a completely useless piece of garbage, around here. Which is it? The next Deion Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Funny...people seem to think Hogan is the next Wes Welker, or a completely useless piece of garbage, around here. Which is it? Everyone thought Bill Gates was a dumbass...until he closed his garage door and tried something different. Hogan to CB is a natural fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Really. Like I said before , He is too STIFF. Stiff hips. I thought Glass and him would get cut anyway. Are you suggesting shifting glass goodwin to corner too? Interesting. Get goodwin and hogan on the outside as corners, shift mckelvin to more of a nickel, and then we can let Gilmore walk instead of paying him big bucks in free agency. I could get on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are you suggesting shifting glass goodwin to corner too? Interesting. Get goodwin and hogan on the outside as corners, shift mckelvin to more of a nickel, and then we can let Gilmore walk instead of paying him big bucks in free agency. I could get on board with that. You never let Gilmore walk...we learned that with Byrd. Trade Gilmore is another story. It seems to be the "in" thing to do. The Hoodie trades players at their prime and obtains max trade value. Like you said, Robey, McKelvin and Hogan as starting CB's...Graham can come in as well. Pick another one up in draft or UDFA...Gilmore for Andy Dalton = See youz at Superbowl 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You never let Gilmore walk...we learned that with Byrd. Trade Gilmore is another story. It seems to be the "in" thing to do. The Hoodie trades players at their prime and obtains max trade value. Like you said, Robey, McKelvin and Hogan as starting CB's...Graham can come in as well. Pick another one up in draft or UDFA...Gilmore for Andy Dalton = See youz at Superbowl 50 Good thought. I am not sure Gilmore for Dalton would be fair. Instead, I would trade Gilmore to Tenn to move up and get Mariotta. Then, trade EJ for an extra 2nd, use our 2 second-rounders to trade up, and grab the top-rated guard or tackle. Then, we shift Glass and Hogan to corner (as you, TRBJ, and Buffaloed in PA have all suggested). So, our starting DB's would look like this: CB1: Hogan CB2: Glass Nickel: Robey/McKelvin (note: would you trade McKelvin too for a draft pick? 4th rounder?) Dime: Graham I am LOVING this on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 No, the kid is coming into his own as a slot WR. Runs great routes and has awesome hands. Depth at WR is a luxury. except when he drops the ball, which happened a number of times last year. Are you suggesting shifting glass goodwin to corner too? Interesting. Get goodwin and hogan on the outside as corners, shift mckelvin to more of a nickel, and then we can let Gilmore walk instead of paying him big bucks in free agency. I could get on board with that. Can't wait for training camp, then hopefully these ridiculous threads with equally ridiculous comments might go away for a while. If this was a sarcastic post , I apologize. I mean, I hope this was a sarcastic post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 except when he drops the ball, which happened a number of times last year. Can't wait for training camp, then hopefully these ridiculous threads with equally ridiculous comments might go away for a while. If this was a sarcastic post , I apologize. I mean, I hope this was a sarcastic post. I'll say it again...watch the last three minutes of the Minnesota game and tell me how Hogan did not fight, claw and sacrifice his body (horizontally) to make the catch. Then...close your eyes and picture him doing that as a CB with a good 3" on most WR's in the league. We're talking numbers here and with the arrival of Harvin, Hogan is a waste at WR. He could easily convert so why not maximize his talents at CB and take advantage of the demand for CB's by exploring the Gilmore angle as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I'll say it again...watch the last three minutes of the Minnesota game and tell me how Hogan did not fight, claw and sacrifice his body (horizontally) to make the catch. Then...close your eyes and picture him doing that as a CB with a good 3" on most WR's in the league. We're talking numbers here and with the arrival of Harvin, Hogan is a waste at WR. He could easily convert so why not maximize his talents at CB and take advantage of the demand for CB's by exploring the Gilmore angle as well. every WR probably has made a tough catch or 2 in their careers, doesn't mean they could be a successful CB. Maybe he could do it, but he's not even that good of a WR, you make it sound too simple to convert from WR to CB, it's not like it happens all the time. It took Gilmore a couple years to become the solid CB we hoped for , you're expecting Hogan to be good enough without a couple year learning curve? For some reason people find certain players they become infatuated with and can't come to grips with the fact that they might not be as good as they want him to be. Hogan might be one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Meth is a bad drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Everyone thought Bill Gates was a dumbass...until he closed his garage door and tried something different. Hogan to CB is a natural fit. I'll call it like it is... it's a genius move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 He already has ball skills and can break coverage ("he's always open")...so he knows all the tricks. There isn't a WR out there that could beat Hogan one on one because he is cut from the very cloth he covers. That's the gold at the bottom of the glory hole I was referring to. Why are you doing this? You sound ridiculous. No WR out there....? Just to stay local there's no way he could cover Sammy..then bring in Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Chris Hogan is sneaky fast, good footwork, above average vertical leap, has shifty hips and has the ability to go up and get the ball. His agility and knack for finding the ball in a crowd is uncanny. With that said, we are wasting his talents as a WR. In the mold of the Seahawks and now the Jets we need a tall kid at CB and one who isn't afraid to turn, extend and deflect/catch the ball. There is no reason why a talented kid like Hogan should be relegated to 4th WR. He can serve a purpose and that position is CB. Trust me...I know. That might be a good way to get him out in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 That might be a good way to get him out in space.Please expand on this thought. I think I know what you're referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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