klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yet many who are for the trade are against paying Jerry Hughes less. I try not to think too much about the money. I don't care what they spend as long as the field a strong team. Not my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 did you notice how often he was out of position, how often he was manhandled by blockers, how he had all his sacks, INT's , FF in the first 4 games and nothing after that. How our run defense was awful until someone replaced him..... there we go, He was manhandled. i addressed that. He is too small to play the MLB. But the Bills wanted him on the field and what else did we have then? and the run defense was bad anyways. A rookie was left on the field for what? 100% percent of the snaps? and he did get DROY votes for reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 His numbers went down because he had nearly a yard lower yards per carry average and 5-yard lower yards per reception average. Plus he fumbled far more last season than in the previous one. Quite simply, he was better in 2013 than he was in 2014, and it's not really debateable: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCoLe01.htm . He still had a pretty good season last year. If the Bills had a 1300 yard rusher, they wouldn't be making this trade. The fact that ALL of their running backs combined last year only rushed for 64 more yards than McCoy ALONE speaks volumes. McCoy also had 5 rushing TD's in a down year compared to Buffalo's team total of 7. Yeah, it's very easy to see why the Bills made this deal. That production isn't going away anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The biggest change in our defense this past year personnel wise was Spikes for Kiko - our defense was significantly better this past year. Kiko was moving to a new position because he wasn't good big enough to play in the middle. Fans love him, but he is overrated. He may turn out to be very good, but McCoy is special. Love the trade corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Are there concerns with Kiko's knee? Didn't read the entire thread so I apologize if this was discussed earlier. Leori (resident insider) made a post that alluded to the Bills front office having concerns about the long term future of Kiko's knees. I haven't seen that officially out there, but it does make sense. Especially when keeping Kiko, eventually you'd have to choose between paying only two of the three young LBs on the roster (Bradham and Brown being the others). Yet many who are for the trade are against paying Jerry Hughes less. Who? I haven't seen much of that carry over, but I'm not paying attention to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 good night folks. Great discussion tonight! Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Who? I haven't seen much of that carry over, but I'm not paying attention to that. I mean, I'm very much for this trade and I don't think Hughes is worth 11+ mil a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) And no QB to throw Sammy the ball and no spread offense to make huge gaping holes for McCoy. But hey they will look good on paper and sell some jerseysplay action Eagles don't really run a true spread offense. They just run a fast-paced offense. Edited March 4, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Leori (resident insider) made a post that alluded to the Bills front office having concerns about the long term future of Kiko's knees. I haven't seen that officially out there, but it does make sense. Especially when keeping Kiko, eventually you'd have to choose between paying only two of the three young LBs on the roster (Bradham and Brown being the others). Who? I haven't seen much of that carry over, but I'm not paying attention to that. Pair that with a possibility that kiko could be unhappy with how we handled his injury.... Could be some extra layers to kiko having lower value in buff than his legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If the Bills had a 1300 yard rusher, they wouldn't be making this trade. The fact that ALL of their running backs combined last year only rushed for 64 more yards than McCoy ALONE speaks volumes. McCoy also had 5 rushing TD's in a down year compared to Buffalo's team total of 7. Yeah, it's very easy to see why the Bills made this deal. That production isn't going away anytime soon. That production will go poof behind our offensive line of 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I mean, I'm very much for this trade and I don't think Hughes is worth 11+ mil a year Ah. I don't see the connection he's trying to make at all, but oh well. Pair that with a possibility that kiko could be unhappy with how we handled his injury.... Could be some extra layers to kiko having lower value in buff than his legend Another good point. Did we ever get an explanation about how he injured his knee last year? I remember it was never specified unless I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 there we go, He was manhandled. i addressed that. He is too small to play the MLB. But the Bills wanted him on the field and what else did we have then? and the run defense was bad anyways. A rookie was left on the field for what? 100% percent of the snaps? and he did get DROY votes for reason results weren't there. That's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 That production will go poof behind our offensive line of 2014. Good thing for us then it's 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 corrected not necessary - he didn't do the job , that's the main issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) 1) Whaley does not have the sort of outsized ego that would prevent him from improving his team by refusing to move a player just because it was his draft pick 2) Do you have any idea exactly how long Doug has known LeSean McCoy? 3) No matter how many times you try to put it on Rex, it will never become any truer. I don't think either team "lost" the deal. They both will probably be a little better for it over the next 3-4 years and by then both guys will be held together with too much duct tape and bailing wire to be impact players. The Bills get significantly better in an area of need and only give up a LB in the middle of a deep rotation. No worries. I don't dislike Whaley, simon, and nor do i dislike rex. I just find it hard to believe that rex isn't behind this one because alonso is an odd fit for his d. I have faith in rex as a defensive coach, but it is the case that alonso is a very good player (plus i really like kelly). Whaley did draft Alonso (in tandem with Nix), and he got a ton of praise for it. And rightly so. It's human nature to not want to give up on a player who you picked and who is that good that early. There is certainly an upside for the Bills because McCoy is good, but on balance i think the Eagles got the better of the trade (on paper at least). I think Alonso is a unique player who can do a lot of things that most lbs can't, but mccoy is a quality player too. If the bills had a chance to go to the sb in the next couple of years, it's a good trade, but they don't because of the qb situation. The mccoy trade reminds me of the dickerson trade - really good rb goes to a bad team and excels, and the team goes 9-6 and 9-7 before falling off the cliff again because the qbs suck. Or AP getting the vikes to the playoffs by the skin of their teeth a couple of years ago followed by the team tanking because they don't have a qb. I do think mccoy is good, and i expect him to do well for a year or two. So it's not like i see it as all bad! The qb situation remains the same, however. This is all secondary to that issue. Edited March 4, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo G. Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 What does this mean for spiller, jackson, brown, and the other one?I like Jackson Browne.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @hsimon62: LaDanian Tomlinson on NFL Network: said Rex will give ball to McCoy any way he can. screens, lining him up outside. lean on him in run game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I do think mccoy is good, and i expect him to do well for a year or two. So it's not like i see it as all bad! The qb situation remains the same, however. This is all secondary to that issue. Someone earlier said, McCoy IS the QB fix. Look for EJ under center, handing off to McCoy. Hey, maybe that was Whaley's plan all along ... a way to get EJ back under center! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 @threejacker: LeSean McCoy gives Rex Ryan, Buffalo Bills a brash and versatile weapon http://t.co/irEb96mwb9via @pennlive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't dislike Whaley, simon, and nor do i dislike rex. I just find it hard to believe that rex isn't behind this one because alonso is an odd fit for his d. I have faith in rex as a defensive coach, but it is the case that alonso is a very good player (plus i really like kelly). Whaley did draft Alonso (in tandem with Nix), and he got a ton of praise for it. And rightly so. It's human nature to not want to give up on a player who you picked and who is that good that early. There is certainly an upside for the Bills because McCoy is good, but on balance i think the Eagles got the better of the trade (on paper at least). I think Alonso is a unique player who can do a lot of things that most lbs can't, but mccoy is a quality player too. If the bills had a chance to go to the sb in the next couple of years, it's a good trade, but they don't because of the qb situation. The mccoy trade reminds me of the dickerson trade - really good rb goes to a bad team and excels, and the team goes 9-6 and 9-7 before falling off the cliff again because the qbs suck. Or AP getting the vikes to the playoffs by the skin of their teeth a couple of years ago followed by the team tanking because they don't have a qb. I do think mccoy is good, and i expect him to do well for a year or two. So it's not like i see it as all bad! The qb situation remains the same, however. This is all secondary to that issue. what can he do that most linebackers can't do? What is unique about him? That he can't handle blockers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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