Lurker Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 1:20 AM, JTSP said: . And the only WR we've ever had to get 1,000 in 3 consecutive seasons, with one of the crappiest qb's we've ever had. Not that impressive in today's era. You realize that even with the K-gun, Kelly only threw the ball 28 times a game, which had to be distributed to 4-5 quality targets. Andre Reed had 951 regular season receptions in 234 games (average 4 receptions per game, for 56 yards). In the three years in question, Fitz averaged 34 throws per game and had only one midling-quality receiver for a target. Stevie was targeted almost nine times a game, with an average of 7.1 receptions. If Andre had those type of opportunites he would have been in the HOF on his first year of eligibility...
Alaska Darin Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 1:34 AM, ....lybob said: He actually got hurt the year he started doing off season workouts - http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Bills-Focus-Stevie-Johnson-Working-Out-for-2013/b386c7dc-8628-4486-a213-db53c5a0acfa He started having groin problems 2 years before that.
....lybob Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) On 3/1/2015 at 9:49 AM, Alaska Darin said: He started having groin problems 2 years before that. Stevie Johnson played in 48 straight games before 2013 so if he was injured he played injured but haters gonna hate Edited March 1, 2015 by ....lybob
eball Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 1:29 PM, ....lybob said: Stevie Johnson played in 48 straight games before 2013 so if he was injured he played injured but haters gonna hate I don't think it's "hating" to accurately state that Stevie started having groin problems long before 2013. He did play hurt.
CardinalScotts Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 5.5 million for 35 grabs..umm ya Stevie we need to talk
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2015 Author Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) On 3/1/2015 at 2:46 PM, CardinalScotts said: 5.5 million for 35 grabs..umm ya Stevie we need to talkit was essentially a bad trade by the Niners. 4th rd pick for a guy who didn't help the offense and had a big contract. If he was a cheap guy it wouldn't have been too bad. I'm neutral on him being with the Bills again. I think he's a good player, but his role would be limited here because there are at least 2 better WRs. So it would need to be a cheap contract. I would rather get someone who is a bigger red zone target when we add a WR. Edited March 1, 2015 by YoloinOhio
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 1:20 AM, JTSP said: Yeah let's not get the last bills WR to get 1,000 since moulds. And the only WR we've ever had to get 1,000 in 3 consecutive seasons, with one of the crappiest qb's we've ever had. In response to the first part of your statement, forget Lee Evans? Other than that, if the Bills took a shot on Stevie I wouldn't mind at a fair price, but he might be over the hill and not fit the offensive system so might not make sense. I do think he and Rex would make for an interesting coach/player relationship.
SoulMan Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Nope. We have enough drops, bonehead penalties and fumbles. Thanks though.
OldNMBillsFan Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 2:08 AM, Lurker said: Not that impressive in today's era. You realize that even with the K-gun, Kelly only threw the ball 28 times a game, which had to be distributed to 4-5 quality targets. Andre Reed had 951 regular season receptions in 234 games (average 4 receptions per game, for 56 yards). In the three years in question, Fitz averaged 34 throws per game and had only one midling-quality receiver for a target. Stevie was targeted almost nine times a game, with an average of 7.1 receptions. If Andre had those type of opportunites he would have been in the HOF on his first year of eligibility... I agree 100%. A lot of Stevie's success during those years was because he was the best, of a god awful bunch of receivers. Reed had other quality receivers on the same team, giving Jim numerous quality targets. HOF James Lofton just to name one.
What a Tuel Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 4:46 PM, OldNMBillsFan said: I agree 100%. A lot of Stevie's success during those years was because he was the best, of a god awful bunch of receivers. Reed had other quality receivers on the same team, giving Jim numerous quality targets. HOF James Lofton just to name one. While I agree that Reed was way better than Stevie, I knew this was going to develop into that meaning Stevie Johnson wasn't good. He was good. He had 3 1,000 yard seasons with Fitzpatrick throwing to him. And while he didn't have to share his targets, he had no other receivers to take off the pressure either. Receivers just don't get yards by default because they are the only guy, they still have to play against defenses..
Beef Jerky Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 5:18 PM, What a Tuel said: While I agree that Reed was way better than Stevie, I knew this was going to develop into that meaning Stevie Johnson wasn't good. He was good. He had 3 1,000 yard seasons with Fitzpatrick throwing to him. And while he didn't have to share his targets, he had no other receivers to take off the pressure either. Receivers just don't get yards by default because they are the only guy, they still have to play against defenses.. How many 1,000 yard seasons has he had since?
What a Tuel Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) On 3/1/2015 at 5:24 PM, Beef Jerky said: How many 1,000 yard seasons has he had since? If he would have had the playing time? He was on par for a nearly 1,000 yard season this year. Crabtree - First 8 games 37 receptions 362 yards 3 tds Stevie Johnson - When he actually got playing time in the first 8 games 28 receptions 356 yards 3 tds Edit: I'll throw Anquan Boldin in too since he is technically their #1 WR Anquan Boldin 45 receptions 540 yds 2 tds Edited March 1, 2015 by What a Tuel
Beef Jerky Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 5:36 PM, What a Tuel said: If he would have had the playing time? He was on par for a nearly 1,000 yard season this year. Crabtree - First 8 games 37 receptions 362 yards 3 tds Stevie Johnson - When he actually got playing time in the first 8 games 28 receptions 356 yards 3 tds Exactly so he will be getting no more then 40 receptions anymore. He would be a #3 here in Buffalo now.
Lurker Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 5:18 PM, What a Tuel said: While I agree that Reed was way better than Stevie, I knew this was going to develop into that meaning Stevie Johnson wasn't good. He was good. He had 3 1,000 yard seasons with Fitzpatrick throwing to him. And while he didn't have to share his targets, he had no other receivers to take off the pressure either. Receivers just don't get yards by default because they are the only guy, they still have to play against defenses.. Still not impressed. No different than a RB that gets 30 carries a game and averages 3-yards a pop. That can sometimes win you a game, but usually not...
What a Tuel Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) On 3/1/2015 at 5:40 PM, Lurker said: Still not impressed. No different than a RB that gets 30 carries a game and averages 3-yards a pop. That can sometimes win you a game, but usually not... Pull up a list of 1,000 yard WR's for 2014 and tell me you wouldn't want a single one of those on the Bills. 1,000 yard WR's aren't as common as you want to believe. On 3/1/2015 at 5:37 PM, Beef Jerky said: Exactly so he will be getting no more then 40 receptions anymore. He would be a #3 here in Buffalo now. No they didn't play him the second half of the year. That is different than not getting targets. The reasons why they didn't play him are debatable. Also it is good to note that he wasn't on the field every play in those games like Crabtree was. He matched Crabtree's stats and didn't play the same number of downs. Edited March 1, 2015 by What a Tuel
Beef Jerky Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 5:53 PM, What a Tuel said: Pull up a list of 1,000 yard WR's for 2014 and tell me you wouldn't want a single one of those on the Bills. 1,000 yard WR's isn't as common as you want to believe. No they didn't play him the second half of the year. That is different than not getting targets. The reasons why they didn't play him are debatable. Also it is good to note that he wasn't on the field every play in those games like Crabtree was. He matched Crabtree's stats and didn't play the same number of downs. How would he see the field on a running team when he is the third WR? More two TE set which will leave only Woods and Watkins with Stevie riding the bench.
Lurker Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 On 3/1/2015 at 5:53 PM, What a Tuel said: Pull up a list of 1,000 yard WR's for 2014 and tell me you wouldn't want a single one of those on the Bills. . Of course. I'd want every one of those 23 guys ahead of Stevie. He's still the tallest midget in the Lilliput that was the 2010-12 Bills receiving corps...
What a Tuel Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) On 3/1/2015 at 5:55 PM, Beef Jerky said: How would he see the field on a running team when he is the third WR? More two TE set which will leave only Woods and Watkins with Stevie riding the bench. We need a redzone target. Whether it be from a good TE, or a Mike Williams type player, or Stevie Johnson. We need to improve our red zone offense. If we pick up a solid big receiving TE that can start right away, then our need for Johnson decreases. On 3/1/2015 at 6:05 PM, Lurker said: Of course. I'd want every one of those 23 guys ahead of Stevie. He's still the tallest midget in the Lilliput that was the 2010-12 Bills receiving corps... I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. Edited March 1, 2015 by What a Tuel
BuffaloMatt Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Not surprised. Never was a fan. Overrated as a result of limited WR options. I tried long and hard to remember a clutch catch or winning moment for Stevie but only come up with dropped passes in the end zone in overtime and coming up one yard short repeatedly.
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