NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Admittedly, I'm anticipating that they're trying to strike a balance between spending enough to bring in/keep the right players, and leave enough room to sign a franchise QB (however they may acquire said player). its a tricky balance. if the guy shakes free, you want to make a run, but you cant leave large chunks of room just hoping he shows up. if we draft him we have a solid 4 years to figure it out and a guy like hughes may not even be in buffalo at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Don't overpay for mediocre talent: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-opinion/2015/2/18/8057849/danorris-searcy-nfl-free-agency-2015-value-buffalo-bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Don't overpay for mediocre talent: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-opinion/2015/2/18/8057849/danorris-searcy-nfl-free-agency-2015-value-buffalo-bills i was going to say 3-4 years at 10-15m. that ranges out right in the ballpark of what they got around -- which was 3-4 years at 3.5-4m. having the pair of safeties hit at 10m per year in the cap, seems pretty reasonable for 2 vet starters. if searcy is looking at 5-6m per, id agree there will be better values out there in that next tier down pay wise Edited February 20, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 i was going to say 3-4 years at 10-15m. that ranges out right in the ballpark of what they got around -- which was 3-4 years at 3.5-4m. having the pair of safeties hit at 10m per year in the cap, seems pretty reasonable for 2 vet starters. if searcy is looking at 5-6m per, id agree there will be better values out there in that next tier down pay wise He seems to me to be a very average player, which is fine, on a very good defense. Easily replaceable. No real upside. He seems to me to be a very average player, which is fine, on a very good defense. Easily replaceable. No real upside. I think the issue also is, he, like any DB, is going to benefit from a GREAT front line play. What is Searcy's level of play on a D with an average line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 He seems to me to be a very average player, which is fine, on a very good defense. Easily replaceable. No real upside. I think the issue also is, he, like any DB, is going to benefit from a GREAT front line play. What is Searcy's level of play on a D with an average line? yup. when you have a great unit you have to identify the core and be willing to cycle the role players if they get over valued - find yourself a bargain and watch him overperform due to talent around him instead of paying a premium. thats why id be good with a mid tier vet instead of the top 15 pay (ie top 15 out of 64 starters as they were lumping free and strong) that 5-6m would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 He seems to me to be a very average player, which is fine, on a very good defense. Easily replaceable. No real upside. I think the issue also is, he, like any DB, is going to benefit from a GREAT front line play. What is Searcy's level of play on a D with an average line? These are the type of players if you can get them to accept a realistic contract then its great to have them back......but there will always be a player behind them that can step in and you wont see a drop off in production..... this is say....as opposed to a player like Hughes.....where you wonder where his 20 sacks in 2 years is going to come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Whaley on Spikes http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-making-a-push-to-sign-hughes-20150219 Linebacker Brandon Spikes: “It’s going to be interesting. I just talked to him” on Thursday, “and the new staff sees a different role than maybe he does. I told him, ‘Go out there and see if you can get a team to see you the way you see yourself. If not, then come back and we can talk.’ ” If thats not shots fired I dont know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 These are the type of players if you can get them to accept a realistic contract then its great to have them back......but there will always be a player behind them that can step in and you wont see a drop off in production..... this is say....as opposed to a player like Hughes.....where you wonder where his 20 sacks in 2 years is going to come from. 100% agree. I'd have loved to keep Seacry too and keep the whole D together but you could tell just from what Whaley has said that they were hoping a reasonable contract would be enough and it isn't. He thinks he can get Aaron Williams like money and I personally don't think the Bills should pay that. I've liked Searcy a lot the past 2 years. He was good as the dime in Marrone's first year too before becoming the starting safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Whaley on Spikes http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-making-a-push-to-sign-hughes-20150219 Linebacker Brandon Spikes: “It’s going to be interesting. I just talked to him” on Thursday, “and the new staff sees a different role than maybe he does. I told him, ‘Go out there and see if you can get a team to see you the way you see yourself. If not, then come back and we can talk.’ ” If thats not shots fired I dont know what is. I'd say that's honest and respectful more than anything. Spikes wants a full time role (and to be paid for it), we see him as a run stuffing specialist, and we have a spot for him if he's willing to take a paycheck for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'd say that's honest and respectful more than anything. Spikes wants a full time role (and to be paid for it), we see him as a run stuffing specialist, and we have a spot for him if he's willing to take a paycheck for that. In private, sure. In public it's telling any team considering him that they don't think he can do what he's selling. If you went to your boss for a raise and he said it doesn't make sense but you are welcome to interview with others- ok. If you get to the interview and he's told them he doesn't think you can cut it, I bet your appreciation would drop quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 In private, sure. In public it's telling any team considering him that they don't think he can do what he's selling. If you went to your boss for a raise and he said it doesn't make sense but you are welcome to interview with others- ok. If you get to the interview and he's told them he doesn't think you can cut it, I bet your appreciation would drop quickly. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I feel like Whaley wouldn't intentionally be petty like that, not when by all accounts Spikes loved playing here, and the team loved having him here. The league in general sees Spikes as a run stuffing specialist, it's not new news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I feel like Whaley wouldn't intentionally be petty like that, not when by all accounts Spikes loved playing here, and the team loved having him here. The league in general sees Spikes as a run stuffing specialist, it's not new news. I don't know. What purpose would saying it publicly serve besides driving down interest? I still wonder what cordy thinks of them admitting they were trying to tank his draft stock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I don't know. What purpose would saying it publicly serve besides driving down interest? I still wonder what cordy thinks of them admitting they were trying to tank his draft stock... If he's an adult... "It's business, I don't take it personally" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) If he's an adult... "It's business, I don't take it personally" easy to say when it's not money out of your pocket or mine. Just struck me as a "look how smart I am" moment that would've been better left unsaid. I don't mean to detour into cordy but with regards to whaley being willing to knock a guy down in an attempt to keep him I think it's a fair mention. Saying the team that just had him and a very well respected defensive guy don't see him as a full time player, honest or not, part of his reputation or not, is a hit to his resume he will be shopping Edited February 20, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Spikes will find limited suitors just like last year. He is a run stopping LB that doesn't fit well in a 3-4. Searcy is the bigger loss but not that big a loss. I worry if they plan on playing Kiko at middle LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Spikes will find limited suitors just like last year. He is a run stopping LB that doesn't fit well in a 3-4. Searcy is the bigger loss but not that big a loss. I worry if they plan on playing Kiko at middle LB. kiko won't play mlb in this defense. He only played that in Pettine's because we had no one else. He's a WLB and brown is a mlb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 easy to say when it's not money out of your pocket or mine. Just struck me as a "look how smart I am" moment that would've been better left unsaid. I don't mean to detour into cordy but with regards to whaley being willing to knock a guy down in an attempt to keep him I think it's a fair mention. Saying the team that just had him and a very well respected defensive guy don't see him as a full time player, honest or not, part of his reputation or not, is a hit to his resume he will be shopping I think you're making too much of it. Whaley could just as easily have said, "film don't lie." He treated Spikes like an adult and encouraged him to shop the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Searcy will go to Miami. He will fit in very good there. Or end up out west in the AFC doing well. San Diego perhaps. Dark horse Atlanta. A multipurpose player on the week d there could be good. I am disappointed by this. Either way. Want the both back before Hughes. Just based on money alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switz1610 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 In private, sure. In public it's telling any team considering him that they don't think he can do what he's selling. If you went to your boss for a raise and he said it doesn't make sense but you are welcome to interview with others- ok. If you get to the interview and he's told them he doesn't think you can cut it, I bet your appreciation would drop quickly. To use your analogy. If it doesn't make sense for you to get a raise, you probably aren't performing very well. It's pretty common knowledge that it generally costs a company more to hire someone new than it does to give someone a raise. If you are allowed to interview elsewhere you probably aren't in their long term plans anyways. You might get along with your coworkers but that doesn't mean your quality of work is worth keeping around. I also think you are putting a little too much stock into GMs listening to other GMs. In sports there is a beautiful thing called game tape, other teams know exactly what type of player Spikes is and he either fits their scheme or doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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