BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Let's not give up on EJ yet, it's way too soon for that. The right coach & OC can develop him into a competent QB. We don't need him to become a Brady/Manning overnight. Just get our running game back to where it was (#2), keep the run pass ratio around 60/40. That's the formula the Jets used with Mark Sanchez to get to back to back AFC championship games. If we can keep our D intact, we can do the same thing for now with him behind center and develop him at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 beyond the "way too soon" theres just not a lot of other options that have the upside out there. and nearly nothing proven better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I'm all for giving EJ a chance, but he would hardly factor in as a top priority for selecting a HC/OC for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bevell, Bevell, Bevell. He's the guy that could figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I don't think you need a HC for that, maybe a good OC and/or QB coach, but just do need a HC who understands the need for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bevell, Bevell, Bevell. He's the guy that could figure this out. That's true and I don't understand when his name isn't being linked to their HC search. Imo, he would be a better choice than Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 That's true and I don't understand when his name isn't being linked to their HC search. Imo, he would be a better choice than Reich. Actually, he is! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/02/darrell-bevell-dan-quinn-josh-mcdaniels-catch-buffalos-eye/#comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 I'm all for giving EJ every opportunity to take over, but would still feel comfortable with a serviceable veteran (better than Orton) behind him as insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The Detroit Lions did this after they drafted Joey Harrington, and he failed to develop into a top QB. The Lions brought in Steve Mariucci to help develop him, and it did no good. Â 588 passing attempts vs 376 rushing attempts tells me that they wanted the young QB to carry the entire offense. This happens all to often, and its started in 2014 with EJ against the Chargers. Â Any new HC needs to build a dominate O line, run game and let EJ manage the game. Should that happen, he may develop into a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 The Detroit Lions did this after they drafted Joey Harrington, and he failed to develop into a top QB. The Lions brought in Steve Mariucci to help develop him, and it did no good. Â 588 passing attempts vs 376 rushing attempts tells me that they wanted the young QB to carry the entire offense. This happens all to often, and its started in 2014 with EJ against the Chargers. Â Any new HC needs to build a dominate O line, run game and let EJ manage the game. Should that happen, he may develop into a decent player. Â Exactly. If we can do 588 rushing attempts and 376 passing attempts, that would help the offense (and EJ) out a lot. But in order to do that, we need the O-Line to handle its business up front like they did in 2013 when we had a top 5 running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I don't think you need a HC for that, maybe a good OC and/or QB coach, but just do need a HC who understands the need for it.I think you need this but, you also need a HC that understand the current qb situation and will get the needed OC/QB coach to develop EJ or whatever other young QB we have. I don't see a FA qb coming in that will be able to take off from day 1 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Ive been supportive of EJ because hes a Bill. He was drafted with alot of promising skills. If he succeeds, great, if not, oh well. Â Going into his third year in the league now, hes seen quite a bit, and i feel like its on him now. A great QB coach and OC would be fantastic, but if hes capable, its gotta be all on him at this point. Either hes got it or he dont. Im pulling for him still, but if he drops off a cliff this year, thats his problem, not coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 I think you need this but, you also need a HC that understand the current qb situation and will get the needed OC/QB coach to develop EJ or whatever other young QB we have. I don't see a FA qb coming in that will be able to take off from day 1 next year. Â There really isn't much in the way of a FA that's going to come in as a starter and hit the ground running, but we should be able to get a decent backup to help EJ along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bevell is my top choice for HC along with Schwartz, and I think that he would have the best chance to develop him. It's possible that Reich could help him along with an OC and QB coach, but that would be three new guys in his ear, when that was one of his biggest issues, thinking too much and not just playing football. Â If Bevell were the HC and took control of the offense and EJ (along with whomever else they brought in as a vet backup or stopgap starter) and promoted Schwartz to Associate HC and gave him a huge raise, that would be our best bet outside of Chip Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Agreed. That's why Chan would make a lot of sense as OC, as improbable as that is. I haven't seen any better proven OC's out there with a track record of developing young or mediocre QB talent into results. The guy worked wonders with QB's like: Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Jay Fiedler, Tyler Thigpen, and Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bevell is my top choice for HC along with Schwartz, and I think that he would have the best chance to develop him. It's possible that Reich could help him along with an OC and QB coach, but that would be three new guys in his ear, when that was one of his biggest issues, thinking too much and not just playing football. Â If Bevell were the HC and took control of the offense and EJ (along with whomever else they brought in as a vet backup or stopgap starter) and promoted Schwartz to Associate HC and gave him a huge raise, that would be our best bet outside of Chip Kelly. Â the ones standing out for me right now are this, and malzahn (and kelly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 It's interesting to me that Polian said that the departure of Orton played a role in his decision. I mean, it's not like the Bills don't have a big-armed first round qb going into his third season on the roster! Now that we're pretty sure that Marrone gave Polian the lowdown (in his view) of the overall situation, I can't help but think that Marrone told Polian in no uncertain terms that Manuel was a no-hope bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Bevell is my top choice for HC along with Schwartz, and I think that he would have the best chance to develop him. It's possible that Reich could help him along with an OC and QB coach, but that would be three new guys in his ear, when that was one of his biggest issues, thinking too much and not just playing football. Â If Bevell were the HC and took control of the offense and EJ (along with whomever else they brought in as a vet backup or stopgap starter) and promoted Schwartz to Associate HC and gave him a huge raise, that would be our best bet outside of Chip Kelly. Â 100% agree. This would be a huge, huge, huge upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I can't help but think that Marrone told Polian in no uncertain terms that Manuel was a no-hope bust. Well, good luck with Geno then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 I can't help but think that Marrone told Polian in no uncertain terms that Manuel was a no-hope bust. I hope he doesn't expect better if he goes to the Jets and takes Hackett with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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