KDIGGZ Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 With all of the TJ Graham haters the past few years, I'm surprised to see everyone letting Marquise Goodwin slide. They are basically the same type of player, drafted in pretty much the same draft position, but with very different on-field production. TJ Graham had twice as much production as Goodwin at this point in their careers. Graham was never that great of a receiver but the stats don't lie: Graham: 54 receptions, 683 yards, 3 td's Goodwin: 18 receptions, 325 yards, 3 td's Not to mention that every time Goodwin gets hit he gets injured. Is this guy made out of play-dough? If TJ Graham is a has-been then Marquise Goodwin is a never-was. And now that we have someone like Thigpen handling the returns it's even more evident what we were missing out on in terms of special teams play. I feel betrayed. Goodwin said once the Bills drafted him that he was now going to focus on football and being the best player he can be. He lied: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2014/7/8/5880103/buffalo-bills-news-marquise-goodwin-2016-olympics This whole time he has been doing track and field workouts in lieu of football workouts. No wonder he is always getting injured and has never progressed. He seems like a good guy but he is definitely not a football player. If he plans on being in the 2016 olympics then maybe we should just cut him now so he can train full time. I think he's going to have a hard time making this roster next year anyhow as it is. Bye bye Marquise. We hardly knew ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 There was a segment posted here a while ago on how he's taken care of his sister. Seems like a wonderful human being. His football production and durability, however, are maddening. I don't even mind the lack of 'stats' so much. A guy like Goodwin can draw coverage (without being thrown to) and impact the game. To do that, however, you have to be on the field and not inactive due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 There was a segment posted here a while ago on how he's taken care of his sister. Seems like a wonderful human being. His football production and durability, however, are maddening. I don't even mind the lack of 'stats' so much. A guy like Goodwin can draw coverage (without being thrown to) and impact the game. To do that, however, you have to be on the field and not inactive due to injury. Or not inactive due to Lee Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Or not inactive due to Lee Smith. That's a fate far worse than injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If not for his durability, I think he would have caught on more... he showed flashes of goodness when SJ and Woods were out last year, and Hackett had him run actual routes instead of just streaking deep. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 That's a fate far worse than injury. So very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Meh, I always believe you can't consider someone a "bust" when they aren't a 1st round pick. Goodwin is a track star. He's a speed demon in a straight line but he's not a very good football player. He runs average routes, isn't very fluid in his breaks, has average hands etc. He's just a gifted athlete who isn't good at football. No bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Meh, I always believe you can't consider someone a "bust" when they aren't a 1st round pick. Goodwin is a track star. He's a speed demon in a straight line but he's not a very good football player. He runs average routes, isn't very fluid in his breaks, has average hands etc. He's just a gifted athlete who isn't good at football. No bigs. I agree but a description like that warrants a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick and not a 3rd. A lot of people on this forum have been giving TJ Graham crap for the past few years and he was only a 3rd round pick as well. Seems like there is a double standard for some reason. TJ Graham was probably the better player and we let him walk and we kept Goodwin who can't even stay on the field for an entire game. Maybe it's not a huge deal because we have Watkins and Woods but it would have been nice to have another weapon for our QB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Or not inactive due to Lee Smith. That's a fate far worse than injury. There were several moments during the game Sunday when I shouted out, to no one in particular, "why is Lee Smith a part of any offense's gameplan?" The completion for zero yards was particularly invigorating. Edited December 16, 2014 by eball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) I agree but a description like that warrants a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick and not a 3rd. A lot of people on this forum have been giving TJ Graham crap for the past few years and he was only a 3rd round pick as well. Seems like there is a double standard for some reason. TJ Graham was probably the better player and we let him walk and we kept Goodwin who can't even stay on the field for an entire game. Maybe it's not a huge deal because we have Watkins and Woods but it would have been nice to have another weapon for our QB's Goodwin can catch without jumping. When he's healthy. Edited December 16, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Health is a skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I agree but a description like that warrants a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick and not a 3rd. A lot of people on this forum have been giving TJ Graham crap for the past few years and he was only a 3rd round pick as well. Seems like there is a double standard for some reason. TJ Graham was probably the better player and we let him walk and we kept Goodwin who can't even stay on the field for an entire game. Maybe it's not a huge deal because we have Watkins and Woods but it would have been nice to have another weapon for our QB's According to what? Do you have comparison stats to show that his production is the equivalent to what late round picks, and not third round picks achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I agree but a description like that warrants a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick and not a 3rd. A lot of people on this forum have been giving TJ Graham crap for the past few years and he was only a 3rd round pick as well. Seems like there is a double standard for some reason. TJ Graham was probably the better player and we let him walk and we kept Goodwin who can't even stay on the field for an entire game. Maybe it's not a huge deal because we have Watkins and Woods but it would have been nice to have another weapon for our QB's Graham got crap for multiple reasons: 1. The Bills traded UP to get him, passing Russell Wilson. That's a tough one to get over. 2. Graham showed ZERO flashes in his limited time, he couldn't track the ball in the air and demonstrated nothing but terrible hands. Goodwin gets crap for his injuries, which are tough to overlook, but when healthy he's made plays Graham hasn't. He's got far better hands, is faster and stronger, and if it wasn't for this putrid offensive system he'd be on the field more than once every other month with a chance to show what he can do. For whatever reason you wish to assign to it, Goodwin hasn't been able (or given a chance) to find consistency in his game. Graham had more opportunities than Goodwin has had, and did far less with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You have to have a QB that can get him the ball.....and a OC with the ability to game plan him onto the field I personally feel that Goodwin (when healthy) is a totally misused weapon.....just like Spiller This OC needs to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I have not researched the all 22 film but I suspect defenses are eliminating the wispy Goodwin every play with a near effortless bump and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I have not researched the all 22 film but I suspect defenses are eliminating the wispy Goodwin every play with a near effortless bump and run. You'd be incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 According to what? Do you have comparison stats to show that his production is the equivalent to what late round picks, and not third round picks achieve? you don't take a chance on a "good athlete" that maybe will turn into a football player in the 3rd round. the late rounds are for projects like that. 3rd round you want to get someone who can step in and play right away. look at what Preston Brown has done this year for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainwampus Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Goodwin is not particularly awful, as TJ was. Yes, it's evident that he's not durable, but he doesn't hurt the team by being injured as much as TJ did by being healthy, performing badly week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 They just aren't using him, and they should. He WILL get open deep occasionally, and no CB can keep up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If not for his durability, I think he would have caught on more... he showed flashes of goodness when SJ and Woods were out last year, and Hackett had him run actual routes instead of just streaking deep. Oh well. actually no its his durability the guy is a glass joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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