plenzmd1 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Maybe it's just me, but seems to me Caveman stopped playing right about the time Orton took over. No body wants to think that maybe Kyle has a great amount of input here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Marrone shoud be thinking short-term here. Like job preservation. If WIlliams really can help the Bills score in the red zone he's a fool for not playing him, regardless of his antics and comments. If I'm ownership and I know my head coach didn't play a WR that could have helped the team with their most obvious problem because of some grudge or personal issue then I am going to seriously evaluate my options with regards to the head coaching job. Do I want to keep Marrone or replace him with 'my guy'? Also, WIlliams should be smart enough to realize this might be the end of the line for him too. Edited December 5, 2014 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 So your theory is that Marrone is refusing to play a better player, just because? Sorry, I just don't buy it See Kraig Urbik. Marrone is a tool who belongs in high school football where he can teach his valuable life lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 Could this be why he isn't playing? http://instagram.com/p/wM0EkRtTRy/ looks like it was deleted, not working for me. What was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) looks like it was deleted, not working for me. What was it? Same here....sounds like he was smoking some greens according to the thread. Maybe now he will elevate his game like Randy Moss did! Edited December 5, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The entire positional group has been totally bungled. With the money they're wasting on Mike Williams, who isn't playing despite his $3-$5M base or whatever it is, they could've just kept Stevie Johnson. Who would you rather have in the slot, Stevie Johnson or Chris Hogan, who always seems to run one yard short of where he needs to get to? And they trade up for Watkins but then feature a two TE offense that doesn't throw the ball to down the field to outside receivers. His talents have largely been wasted. Then there is Goodwin, who is getting out-produced by TJ Graham, whom they cut. These guys are clowns, folks. All of them, possibly even Whaley. I'm frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) These guys are clowns, folks. All of them, possibly even Whaley. I'm frustrated. Agree, trading Sj after he takes pics at the airport with Marrone while they pick up Mike Williams was classless. Probably the reason we are cursed w the crapfest known as the 2014 offense. Bryce brown trade is just as bad. Fleeced. Edited December 5, 2014 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 The entire positional group has been totally bungled. With the money they're wasting on Mike Williams, who isn't playing despite his $3-$5M base or whatever it is, they could've just kept Stevie Johnson. Who would you rather have in the slot, Stevie Johnson or Chris Hogan, who always seems to run one yard short of where he needs to get to? And they trade up for Watkins but then feature a two TE offense that doesn't throw the ball to down the field to outside receivers. His talents have largely been wasted. Then there is Goodwin, who is getting out-produced by TJ Graham, whom they cut. These guys are clowns, folks. All of them, possibly even Whaley. I'm frustrated. i don't think they are paying him that much this year. I think it's only around a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Did he really get caught in the closest with Doug Marrones wife ? Edited December 5, 2014 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 i don't think they are paying him that much this year. I think it's only around a million. Ah you're right - next year is when it balloons to $5.2M, which won't be our problem. Still, it makes no sense to have traded for him in the first instance given their refusal to utilize him. What is the strategy, here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 5, 2014 Author Share Posted December 5, 2014 Same here....sounds like he was smoking some greens according to the thread. Maybe now he will elevate his game like Randy Moss did! well that's just fantastic. Is part of the scout team responsibility pretending like you actually live in Denver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Agree, trading Sj after he takes pics at the airport with Marrone while they pick up Mike Williams was classless. Probably the reason we are cursed w the crapfest known as the 2014 offense. Bryce brown trade is just as bad. Fleeced. I have thought about this a lot ...does Stevie get traded if they no they are going to Kyle? We always heard Stevie free lanced a lot, and that was tough on Manual as such a green QB. However, with a vet like Orton does it work better for Stevie here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumblefish Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) could this be history repeating itself, we remember the rumor that Lamonica got sent to Oakland because of affair with a coaches wife, could have been Saban's or Kemp's wife or maybe it was a whole lot of wives, rumor has it the mad bomber was quite the player, other than football Edited December 5, 2014 by rumblefish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I have thought about this a lot ...does Stevie get traded if they no they are going to Kyle? We always heard Stevie free lanced a lot, and that was tough on Manual as such a green QB. However, with a vet like Orton does it work better for Stevie here? He would help, Orton is tainted goods who sees ghost pass rushers so who knows if he would be able to feed stevie. I've lost 2 men I love off my teams lately. Stevie and Pablo Sandoval, Hope Spillers not the next to be bungled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I have thought about this a lot ...does Stevie get traded if they no they are going to Kyle? We always heard Stevie free lanced a lot, and that was tough on Manual as such a green QB. However, with a vet like Orton does it work better for Stevie here? Yes, it does. Orton would have no problem utilizing Stevie's skill set, and would probably appreciate a guy who can get open consistently and past the sticks. Hogan runs an 8-yard square out on 3rd and 10 and then fumbles or drops it a good percentage of the time that he is targeted. And the next tackle he breaks will be the first one. I'm sorry, but the way this offense is designed, this team might well look better with Odell Beckham, Stevie Johnson, and next year's first round pick. If you're going to plod the ball for two yards a pop and feature two unathletic tight ends in your offense, why trade for THREE skill position players (Bryce Brown, Watkins, Mike Williams). THIS IS A BIG DEAL, because it reflects an utter lack of strategic clarity and a GM and coach who are totally out of sync with each other. NOT GOOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumblefish Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 some times teams trade for players to keep them away from other teams they play every year happens in baseball all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Yes, it does. Orton would have no problem utilizing Stevie's skill set, and would probably appreciate a guy who can get open consistently and past the sticks. Hogan runs an 8-yard square out on 3rd and 10 and then fumbles or drops it a good percentage of the time that he is targeted. And the next tackle he breaks will be the first one. I'm sorry, but the way this offense is designed, this team might well look better with Odell Beckham, Stevie Johnson, and next year's first round pick. If you're going to plod the ball for two yards a pop and feature two unathletic tight ends in your offense, why trade for THREE skill position players (Bryce Brown, Watkins, Mike Williams). THIS IS A BIG DEAL, because it reflects an utter lack of strategic clarity and a GM and coach who are totally out of sync with each other. NOT GOOD. Extremely well said....could not agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Pretty sure the "on the field" portion of why MW isn't getting playing time has to do with his route running versatility (or lack thereof). I don't try to speculate about the "off the field" portion. We can think these coaches/gm are all clowns who don't know how to rate their own players til the cows come home but it's just not the case (for ANY team not just the Bills) in the NFL. Just like the player talent level amongst the 32 teams, the knowledge and coaching abilities of NFL staffs are much the same with only minor differences in levels of competence. Do these guys make mistakes? Sure they do...But rest assured if MW was good enough (as a complete WR) to get more playing time, he would get it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Stevie was injury prone. I can't remember one game when he was completely healthy Goodwin has the same problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Pretty sure the "on the field" portion of why MW isn't getting playing time has to do with his route running versatility (or lack thereof). I don't try to speculate about the "off the field" portion. We can think these coaches/gm are all clowns who don't know how to rate their own players til the cows come home but it's just not the case (for ANY team not just the Bills) in the NFL. Just like the player talent level amongst the 32 teams, the knowledge and coaching abilities of NFL staffs are much the same with only minor differences in levels of competence. Do these guys make mistakes? Sure they do...But rest assured if MW was good enough (as a complete WR) to get more playing time, he would get it eventually. So then why was he traded for? And why was Bryce Brown traded for? Is the failure on the pro personnel evaluation side, or the coaching/utilization of assets side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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