slipkid Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Irregardless, I am giving you leadway as you have peeked my curiosity. I think you took that post for granite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I think you took that post for granite. It's better than taking it for mica schist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I agree with Alan Pergament. Lifting the blackout rules is not good for the Bills, in the long term: http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/alan-pergament/making-a-case-for-the-nfl-blackout-rule-20140906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 If they end the blackout rule then I can finally tell everyone how simple it is to get a blacked out game on directv. i've been holding out because if too many people do it then they might catch on. I get every game regardless of blackout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Privately funded stadiums, fine blackout. I just don't understand how you take government money, subsidies, and tax cuts, and then deny the people paying for it, the product. This is a long time coming. Good point. Just to add to what you've written: the whole point of blackouts is to prevent competition between one of the NFL's offerings (football on television) and another of their offerings (tickets). The only reason for the blackout is anti-competitive; in order to allow owners to charge higher ticket prices than they otherwise could have. It's far from obvious why a monopoly should be allowed to engage in anti-competitive business practices even in the absence of taxpayer subsidies. But (as you pointed out) the idea of a taxpayer subsidized monopoly being allowed to engage in anti-competitive business practices is beyond absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Awesome. Raiders games every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) If they end the blackout rule then I can finally tell everyone how simple it is to get a blacked out game on directv. i've been holding out because if too many people do it then they might catch on. I get every game regardless of blackout. Of course with the tech out there (and locations) it doesn't seem too hard... But do people really want to spend the energy to think about it. Look @ the gold mine Apple makes with the iSheeple. It all started with the iPod/iTunes... People love spending money on nothing @ all if it is DUMB & EASY. People buying stuff they already own the rights to! Edited September 10, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The NFL has a product. It’s product is Football games. So the government is now going to tell this privately owned company that it has to give its product away to customers instead of selling it to them?Socialism at its finest moment! I have been a season ticket holder for a long time and hope to continue as such. So blackouts don’t really affect me. I remember I hated them before I was a season ticket holder. But even when I hated them, I still don’t think it is right to force the NFL to give away their product in real time to their customers. That is not capitalism. Government should keep its damn nose out of it. Give it a rest. What about publicly funded venues...tax breaks...yada yada yada. North Dallas 40...Every time I call it a game, you call it a business. Every time I call it a business, you call it a game. The NFL is anything but private enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 couldn't the NFL pass a rule to black out games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The NFL is anything but private enterprise. I will agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Those who are calling it a monopoly: Aren't there other monopolies, such as utilities and such. I bet some even get tax breaks and subsidies. Do they give you free electricity then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Those who are calling it a monopoly: Aren't there other monopolies, such as utilities and such. I bet some even get tax breaks and subsidies. Do they give you free electricity then? http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomwatson/2014/01/30/the-real-super-bowl-question-should-the-nfl-be-a-nonprofit/ The NFL is classified as a non-profit and as such, exempt from federal taxes. Utilities may or may not get tax breaks depending upon where they are, but I'm pretty sure that as a whole they pay taxes. Additionally the facilities that the utilities use to make their money are not paid for by the local governments. I know it's tough to see past the man-crush on the NFL sometimes. If the NFL did not take government handouts and paid taxes like everyone else then they could black out games to their hearts content. But the way it is now is 100% bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 sell your directtv stock then.. They are about to lose lots of customers IMO sunday ticket prices are going to come crashing down The NFL has a product. It’s product is Football games. So the government is now going to tell this privately owned company that it has to give its product away to customers instead of selling it to them? Socialism at its finest moment! and yet you have no issue with the NFL or corporations not paying taxes, and using tax payer money to fund stadiums, or in the case of corps using tax payer money to move their company to your state screwing over employees in one state for cheaper labor in another. meanwhile the very infrastructure big business depend upon in this country is crumbling. But tax payers should fund corporate moves stadiums etc.. and get even more added perks to boot. I think you need to revisit your very screwy thought processes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) sell your directtv stock then.. They are about to lose lots of customers IMO sunday ticket prices are going to come crashing down Actually the ticket is basically free for a lot of people anyway. But DTV won't lose any customers because the ticket is subject to blackout rules currently. If there are no blackouts it could conceivably increase interest in it. No one is buying DTV or the ticket to get around blackouts now. Edited September 10, 2014 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 and yet you have no issue with the NFL or corporations not paying taxes, and using tax payer money to fund stadiums, or in the case of corps using tax payer money to move their company to your state screwing over employees in one state for cheaper labor in another. meanwhile the very infrastructure big business depend upon in this country is crumbling. But tax payers should fund corporate moves stadiums etc.. and get even more added perks to boot. I think you need to revisit your very screwy thought processes I don't think you read my posts in this thread dude.....otherwise you wouldn't say that. You only read one post. I am against governments subsidizing football or any other sport. It is foolish. They would be better off putting that money elsewhere on things that benefit everyone, not just football fans. Better yet, they would be better off not taxing people so much in the first place. And keep their noses out of sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 http://www.forbes.co...be-a-nonprofit/ The NFL is classified as a non-profit and as such, exempt from federal taxes. Utilities may or may not get tax breaks depending upon where they are, but I'm pretty sure that as a whole they pay taxes. Additionally the facilities that the utilities use to make their money are not paid for by the local governments. I know it's tough to see past the man-crush on the NFL sometimes. If the NFL did not take government handouts and paid taxes like everyone else then they could black out games to their hearts content. But the way it is now is 100% bull ****. The NFL being a non profit really didn't come to light until last year. I'm sure you were making the same argument for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 sell your directtv stock then.. They are about to lose lots of customers IMO sunday ticket prices are going to come crashing down I disagree. Sunday Ticket will still be bought by people like me (well I'd buy it if I cared) who don't live in WNY and it's the only way they can get their hometown team's game. Also with fantasy football so big it allows those geeks, I mean nerds, I mean fine people, that want to keep up with every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Does anyone know what percentage of the Bills revenue comes from ticket sales and anything else related to home game attendance, how much comes from their share of away games, and how much comes from television? Of course the teams want to sell tickets and get money, but beyond paying for the privilege of getting in to the game, the other function the fans provide is a free staging and sound track. Imagine watching an NFL game on television, being played in a huge empty stadium. No fans in the stands, no cheering. No wall of sound when the home team does something right, and no blast of silence when the visitors score. No Elvis, no funny hats, no babes. The experience for the TV viewer would be cut way back, regardless of the quality of play on the field. I think the real reason for the blackout rule is to enhance the television experience by coercing more fans to attend. Edited September 10, 2014 by Utah John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I don't think you understand what done deal means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pills -N- Bills Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Lol @ all the wanna be forum cops bitching ab the OP starting a new thread....GET A LIfE and stop tryna police the forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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