papazoid Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Dead Money per TEAM #1 - DAL - $24,815,000 #2 - BUF - $23,662,000 #3 - CAR - $19,277,000 #4 - HOU - $18,194,000 #5 - CLE - $16,070,000 #6 - OAK - $14,155,000 #7 - CHI - $14,040,000 #8 - SD - $13,807,000 #9 - NO - $13,738,000 #10- NYJ - $13,174,000 #11- ARZ - $13,174,000 #12- NE - $11,694,000 #13- PIT - $11,352,000 #14- JAX - $10,814,000 #15- WAS - $10,743,000 #16- NYG - $10,618,000 #17- PHI - $ 9,473,000 #18- ATL - $ 9,115,000 #19- SEA - $ 8,658,000 #20- TEN - $ 8,084,000 #21- DET - $ 7,567,000 #22- KC - $ 7,062,000 #23- DEN - $ 6,508,000 #24- STL - $ 6,368,000 #25- BAL - $ 6,337,000 #26- TB - $ 6,261,000 #27- MIA - $ 5,927,000 #28- MIN - $ 5,307,000 #29- SF - $ 3,828,000 #30- GB - $ 3,107,000 #31- CIN - $ 2,864,000 #32- IND - $ 1,888,000 Edited August 25, 2014 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 And to address BillsVet, was ignoring the QB position in 2011-12 a mistake. Well, I believe it was. Whaley corrected that mistake by addressing the position the following year. He also did a lot to address the OL in the offseason. Not liking the players he chose is not the same thing as "not addressing" the situation. You have to give these guys a clean slate and not pin your perceived sins of the past on them. Cleaning house is typically not the smartest management strategy. Dean- When they ignored the QB position in 2011 and 2012 it forced them into taking a guy in 2013. It just so happened the QB crop wasn't very good that year, and only 1 was selected in the first round. Some will chime in here that this is hindsight, but any good manager knows you don't make your best decisions out of desperation. And Buffalo was desperate for a QB enterinig the 2013 draft. I think at that point they had only the oft-injured Kevin Kolb and Tyler Thigpen on the roster. There should have been enough tape on Fitz from 2008-2011 to know he wasn't the guy and they needed a better option via the draft in 2011 or 2012. This is a prime example how sins of the past directly impact the team of today. And I fully recognize that not all of the 15 QB's selected in rounds 1-4 in 2011-2012 are superstars. They're not, so it wasn't as simple as just taking a guy to say you had one. Again, it's why personnel guys get paid the big dollars: to get that position right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes, absolutely, if they manage the cap in way that allows them to resign their core players and add FA's, I will praise them. However, I will praise them a lot more if they win more games. BTW, I think Hughes is also eligible to be extended along with Dareus, so they could have used some of that dead money for those guys, right ? Yes but supposedly Hughes has no interest in an extension at this point. He will do well in the market based on last year but if he has another double digit sack campaign he will crush it. People are throwing stupid money at pass rushers. The Bills should be in great shape cap wise but he may very well go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 It isn't 2015 yet. Are you worried that 2015 will not happen? Because unless the Bills cut Mario Williams or Eric Wood in 2014, there really isn't much upfront money out there to become dead. A majority of the team is on a rookie, or short term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes but supposedly Hughes has no interest in an extension at this point. He will do well in the market based on last year but if he has another double digit sack campaign he will crush it. People are throwing stupid money at pass rushers. The Bills should be in great shape cap wise but he may very well go elsewhere. That Everson Griffen contract is going to blow up the market for pass rushers next offseason. Ever wonder if maybe a team does that kind of thing just to screw other teams over? I know that's not the case, but good grief, $7M/year for Everson Griffen? If Hughes hits 8 sacks this year he'll get at least $9M/year on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 That Everson Griffen contract is going to blow up the market for pass rushers next offseason. Ever wonder if maybe a team does that kind of thing just to screw other teams over? I know that's not the case, but good grief, $7M/year for Everson Griffen? If Hughes hits 8 sacks this year he'll get at least $9M/year on the open market. What if he gets 13 sacks?!? If he has a year like last year (which it sounds like he is primed for) his contract will be crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Dean- When they ignored the QB position in 2011 and 2012 it forced them into taking a guy in 2013. It just so happened the QB crop wasn't very good that year, and only 1 was selected in the first round. Some will chime in here that this is hindsight, but any good manager knows you don't make your best decisions out of desperation. And Buffalo was desperate for a QB enterinig the 2013 draft. I think at that point they had only the oft-injured Kevin Kolb and Tyler Thigpen on the roster. There should have been enough tape on Fitz from 2008-2011 to know he wasn't the guy and they needed a better option via the draft in 2011 or 2012. This is a prime example how sins of the past directly impact the team of today. And I fully recognize that not all of the 15 QB's selected in rounds 1-4 in 2011-2012 are superstars. They're not, so it wasn't as simple as just taking a guy to say you had one. Again, it's why personnel guys get paid the big dollars: to get that position right. Remember they traded back to get EJ. Buffalo traded #8 (Tavon Austin) and a third-round selection #71 (TJ McDonald) to St. Louis in exchange for #16th EJ Manuel, second- #46th (Kiko Alonso), third- #78th (Marquise Goodwin), and seventh- #222 (Chris Gragg) So Yes the Bills were desperate for a QB but I don't think it is fair to say it was a desperate move. You can suppose that they could have traded back again from #16 and still got EJ, but isn't that what happened in 2011 and 2012 when "they ignored the QB position"? Edited August 25, 2014 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes, absolutely, if they manage the cap in way that allows them to resign their core players and add FA's, I will praise them. However, I will praise them a lot more if they win more games. BTW, I think Hughes is also eligible to be extended along with Dareus, so they could have used some of that dead money for those guys, right ? How would contract extensions for these 2 have any effect on dead money for this year? Their new contracts would be for next year when there is little to no dead money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Bills will have to have some serious cap discussion regarding their D-line over the next off-season. Hughes-Dareus-Williams-Williams are already around $34M/year -- I can't see them keeping that group together for under $40M/year. Why couldn't they have restructured Mario and Kyle this year and moved $8M or so into 2014 and given themselves another $4M/year to play with in 2015 and 2016 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Dean- When they ignored the QB position in 2011 and 2012 it forced them into taking a guy in 2013. It just so happened the QB crop wasn't very good that year, and only 1 was selected in the first round. Some will chime in here that this is hindsight, but any good manager knows you don't make your best decisions out of desperation. And Buffalo was desperate for a QB enterinig the 2013 draft. I think at that point they had only the oft-injured Kevin Kolb and Tyler Thigpen on the roster. There should have been enough tape on Fitz from 2008-2011 to know he wasn't the guy and they needed a better option via the draft in 2011 or 2012. This is a prime example how sins of the past directly impact the team of today. And I fully recognize that not all of the 15 QB's selected in rounds 1-4 in 2011-2012 are superstars. They're not, so it wasn't as simple as just taking a guy to say you had one. Again, it's why personnel guys get paid the big dollars: to get that position right. You are still blaming the mistakes of old management on the current regime. Why would you clean house again? These guys didn't cause the mess. They are doing their best to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 We can use this money next offseason to go all in on Sam Bradford, a.k.a. Savior of the Buffalo Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Dean- When they ignored the QB position in 2011 and 2012 it forced them into taking a guy in 2013. It just so happened the QB crop wasn't very good that year, and only 1 was selected in the first round. Some will chime in here that this is hindsight, but any good manager knows you don't make your best decisions out of desperation. And Buffalo was desperate for a QB enterinig the 2013 draft. I think at that point they had only the oft-injured Kevin Kolb and Tyler Thigpen on the roster. There should have been enough tape on Fitz from 2008-2011 to know he wasn't the guy and they needed a better option via the draft in 2011 or 2012. This is a prime example how sins of the past directly impact the team of today. And I fully recognize that not all of the 15 QB's selected in rounds 1-4 in 2011-2012 are superstars. They're not, so it wasn't as simple as just taking a guy to say you had one. Again, it's why personnel guys get paid the big dollars: to get that position right. There's a difference between ignoring the QB position and making a wrong decision about it. Signing Fitz to his extension was anything but ignoring it. If you want to argue that it was the wrong decision, hindsight would agree. GO BILLS!!! That Everson Griffen contract is going to blow up the market for pass rushers next offseason. Ever wonder if maybe a team does that kind of thing just to screw other teams over? I know that's not the case, but good grief, $7M/year for Everson Griffen? If Hughes hits 8 sacks this year he'll get at least $9M/year on the open market. Got that right. Nice knowin' ya, Jerry. Good luck with your new team. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) How would contract extensions for these 2 have any effect on dead money for this year? Their new contracts would be for next year when there is little to no dead money. I thought you could extend a player's contract and impact a current year's cap -- if you can't do that, you certainly can restructure contracts and move money into current year -- For example (for illustration purposes only), instead of Mario making base salaries of $2M-$12M-$12M-$12M over the 2014-2015-2016 and 2017 seasons -- you could restructure and pay him $20M-$6M-$6M-$6M --- so, you use up this year's cap to make future year's smaller --- When you do that, you would have needed that dead money to not exist in order to spend it on the restructured contract(s). Edited August 25, 2014 by TXBILLSFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 You are still blaming the mistakes of old management on the current regime. Why would you clean house again? These guys didn't cause the mess. They are doing their best to fix it. Don't bother with rational arguments. B word'n Über Alles is all some posters can manage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I thought you could extend a player's contract and impact a current year's cap -- if you can't do that, you certainly can restructure contracts and move money into current year -- For example (for illustration purposes only), instead of Mario making base salaries of $2M-$12M-$12M-$12M over the 2014-2015-2016 and 2017 seasons -- you could restructure and pay him $20M-$6M-$6M-$6M --- so, you use up this year's cap to make future year's smaller --- When you do that, you would have needed that dead money to not exist in order to spend it on the restructured contract(s). Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? Buffalo Bills Dead Money had almost zero effect on Free Agents signing in March 2014. Buffalo Bills Dead Money will have zero effect on extending contracts and Free Agent signing in 2015. There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Don't bother with rational arguments. B word'n Über Alles is all some posters can manage.... Same guys all the time, for several years. And until the team turns it around there isn't much to say to them. Even then I wonder if some will be happy. Same guys who predict failure for every draft pick. Predicting success is a lot riskier than predicting failure, especially with a losing team. Edited August 25, 2014 by The Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? Buffalo Bills Dead Money had almost zero effect on Free Agents signing in March 2014. Buffalo Bills Dead Money will have zero effect on extending contracts and Free Agent signing in 2015. There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now. Except, of course, for players that haven't completed 3 seasons of their rookie contract and vested veterans signed to 1-year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Except, of course, for players that haven't completed 3 seasons of their rookie contract and vested veterans signed to 1-year deals. Let me rephrase counselor. There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now.* *"anyone" refers to players that are eligible to be extended and agree to sign an extension ** *** Jerry Hughes I'm looking at you. After busting for the Colts, the Bills saved your career you think you can hook them up with a discount? Edited August 25, 2014 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) LOL! They're all great players when the Bills have to resign them. I remember SJ be called our #1 WR. Shall I pull up Jerry Sulluvan's article scolding the Bills for underpaying Fitz? "PAY THE MAN!" Those words should be chiseled in stone somewhere. What difference does it make whether a columnist offers a contrarian view to the organizatiion that is responsible for making personnel and contract decisions? Do you really believe that a reporter/columnist's opinion influences the decisions that the front office makes? Of course not. The SJ and Fitz departures that resulted in most of the dead money both made a lot of sense. Fitz didn't want to be here as a backup and SJ was not the type of person who could handle a demontion to a younger player such as Watkins and Woods. It was also apparent that Marrone was not too enamored with SJ and his tiresome diva act. With respect to the dead money issue I have no problem with the Bills having dead money. Situations change, and sometimems dramatically in one year. I'll take our present receiving corps with the dead money over having him in the starting lineup bumping out one of the other young starters. I'll also take a struggling EJ over Fitz as a starter under any circumstances. With Fitz you have no upside, mediocrity is mediocrity. With EJ at least you are giving a young prospect with potential an opportunity to develop. Even if he doesn't materialize as a franchise qb at least you gave him the opportunity to prove himslef. Fitz is already a known quantity. The bottom line is that you go nowhere with him as a starter. Edited August 25, 2014 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Let me rephrase counselor. There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now.* *"anyone" refers to players that are eligible to be extended and agree to sign an extension ** *** Jerry Hughes I'm looking at you. After busting for the Colts, the Bills saved your career you think you can hook them up with a discount? Much better! In all seriousness though, I'd love to see them get Hughes' deal done so they can concentrate on Glenn/Gilmore/Dareus/Spikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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