Hardcore Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Its hard to say because he's only a 2nd year guy but he seems to improve during real games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 This was also a knock on him coming out if college if I recall. I think we're in trouble at QB again. We will see how he looks tonight: Better be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I have a hard time believing that a QB that finishes games better than he starts them is anything worthy of criticism. For all the crap EJ is taking I do not recall him losing any games late the way Fitz had a tendency to do. EJ was a cautious and injured rookie who played better late in close games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Will not argue his stats look better in the 2nd & 4th qtrs. Although I attribute this more to Hackett trying to establish the run and throwing on obvious passing downs in the 1st & 3rd. Games tend to open up more in the 2nd & 4th qtrs as the demands of the game - ie score dictates what plays a team runs. Edited August 23, 2014 by Dean Cain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) I think EJ starts slow too. I was hoping the OP had analyzed his drives last year when I clicked. This page has his stat splits: http://espn.go.com/n...15803/ej-manuel It looks like he's done best in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The 4th quarter might not be a good comparison anyway because the other team is letting us have meaningless completions (say 3-5 yards when we're down by 14), or EJ is taking risks because we need to do that to get back in the game. He also seems to do best indoors, on turf, Behind by 1-8 Points, with 2 wide receivers in, and when blitzed. . . . Edited August 23, 2014 by Matt in KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Everyone complaining about EJ is just ridiculous, he's 10 games into a professional career. I feel like most have either wanted Tuel or Lewis to start at one time or another and/or we pick up Rex Grossman, trade CJ for Hoyer or trade for Mallet. Crazy... Let him at least play a few games after his first full offseason as a number 1 in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) I think EJ starts slow too. I was hoping the OP had analyzed his drives last year when I clicked. This page has his stat splits: http://espn.go.com/n...15803/ej-manuel It looks like he's done best in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. The 4th quarter might not be a good comparison anyway because the other team is letting us have meaningless completions (say 3-5 yards when we're down by 14), or EJ is taking risks because we need to do that to get back in the game. He also seems to do best indoors, on turf, Behind by 1-8 Points, with 2 wide receivers in, and when blitzed. . . . The OP is lazy Edited August 23, 2014 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The OP is lazy Nothing personal. I just had reached the same conclusion before, that EJ was a slow starter, and also that he did better under pressure, even though I hadn't looked at any stats. Today I looked, and saw some evidence to support my opinion in the stats. I also thought he got better as the year went on, but did not see that in the stats: - In September he completed 56.9% of his passes for a 6.59 yard/attempt average, with 5 TDs, 3 INTs - In December he completed 59.6% of his passes for a 6.60 yard/attempt average, with 3 TDs, 5 INTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Nothing personal. I just had reached the same conclusion before, that EJ was a slow starter, and also that he did better under pressure, even though I hadn't looked at any stats. Today I looked, and saw some evidence to support my opinion in the stats. I also thought he got better as the year went on, but did not see that in the stats: - In September he completed 56.9% of his passes for a 6.59 yard/attempt average, with 5 TDs, 3 INTs - In December he completed 59.6% of his passes for a 6.60 yard/attempt average, with 3 TDs, 5 INTs Can call it cherry picking if you want but those December stats, 4 ints came in 1 very bad game so I don't think you are off about him getting better as the season went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Will not argue his stats look better in the 2nd & 4th qtrs. Although I attribute this more to Hackett trying to establish the run and throwing on obvious passing downs in the 1st & 3rd. Games tend to open up more in the 2nd & 4th qtrs as the demands of the game - ie score dictates what plays a team runs. It's not the play calling when you see EJ throw his first few passes. They are almost always WTF moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 As bowry4 pointed out, those old enough to watch Jim Kelly in his prime, will likely recall that he had a tendency to look rusty early in games....sometimes the players just have to "feel the game" to find their groove. Lost in all the "EJ sucks" hype, which gained so much momentum this off season, is that, in an albeit small sample size, he did play well in close finishing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) I brought this up for a reason. He is slow to start, then removed from the game. We may not have enough information to properly evaluate EJ Manuel this preseason I think it is something he needs to over come House. Consider it his persoanl challenge. Coach Hackett doesnt want tobabysit plays till he "is feeling it ". Throw it deep the first series. Goodwin then graham Edited August 23, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 @JasonPhilCole: #Bills coach Doug Marrone was told by several staffers, players at end of 2013 that QB EJ Manuel wasn't good enough. Preseason is troubling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Watch Bortles throw or Geno Smith laser the ball, then watch EJ and you tell me what u see... Watch how long it takes the ball to get to receivers on throws out wide...Watch the innacuracy over the middle..mediocre at best.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 @BuffRumblings From @NickelCityBills, EJ Manuel actually does get better as the game progresses. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2014/8/25/6066455/afc-east-net-yards-per-attempt-by-attempt-number … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Posted Today, 08:08 AM I have watched every game of his pro career and about 10 College games. There seems to be a pattern here..... Correct me if I am wrong but the guy appears off target in almost every first quarter played, then settles down and plays better. Its maddening to watch sometimes, It has to be driving Doug Marrone crazy Has anyone else noticed this ? The Bills plan to have him play a quarter of Madden before each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsswansonjr Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The Bills plan to have him play a quarter of Madden before each game. I doubt that 1 quarter of Madden would be enough!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It seems clear that the 1st quarter has been an issue for him. I do think at times that is all on EJ, but the art of coaching is finding things that fit your guys. Hackett has to find a way of getting EJ into the groove early, at times he has prioritised establishing the run to the detriment of EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Maybe he should adopt a pre-game warm-up ritual like Peyton Manning, who is on the field 2-3 hours before even any fans are allowed in the stadium, and runs the complete "route tree" with each of his receivers. So by the time the game actually starts, he's already thrown more passes than he typically would in an entire quarter. Sure seems to work for him! ;-) GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I read he had "slow eyes" coming out FSU. Whoever wrote that was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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