Alaska Darin Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I love preseason. It lets us know who has a clue about football and who doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I love preseason. It lets us know who has a clue about football and who doesn't. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I love preseason. It lets us know who has a clue about football and who doesn't. I agree, you definitely discover things about people. wink wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I like spiller and Brown in rotation. Freddy for third down blitz pick up passing downs, and Boobie for short yardage. For whatever reason it seems CJ gets brought down to the ground very easy. It seems like he never sheds tacklers or breaks tackles. IDK, just frustrating. who cares if it's 15 yards down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think that Fred is still extremely effective on the field but what I DONT want to see him doing is running towards the sideline on runs.......is it just me or does he appear REALLY slow when he isnt going north/south? That one of the things I am really excited about Bryce Brown.....not only is he a huge back to bust it u between the OT's but somebody hits the "turbo boost" button when he is running east west getting to the sideline and turning the corner I really like Bryce Browns potential...he appears to do everything well I cant tell you how many times I heard the phrase "If only Freddy were a little faster" Like you mentioned Brown seems to have a bit of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Care to elaborate? Why don't you attempt to back up your "Unpopular Opinion?" I'm surprised, I surely thought anyone with a "Fred should be our 4th string RB because 40 time and Father TIme," opinion would be able to have a discussion about it. Edited August 11, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why don't you attempt to back up your "Unpopular Opinion?" I'm surprised, I surely thought anyone with a "Fred should be our 4th string RB because 40 time and Father TIme," opinion would be able to have a discussion about it. I thought I did but ok... And As you stated my Opinion is that CJ and Brown are better suited to be a 1-2 punch for this team. Freddy does not have the speed to run sideways, off tackles. pitches etc. so guard against up the gut when FJ is in the game. Yes he has great BCV, and instincts but speed kills. CJ and Brown have that speed. 40 time or not Fred is going to slow down even more than he is, it is just going to happen. My opinion. Once he loses that additional step he is going to be much easier to tackle. Fred will play through an injury but his effectiveness is going to decrease. A backfield of Brown and Spiller with Watkins, Goodwin and Williams split is a whole hell of a lot of speed to handle. There is going to be a mismatch somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I say Freddie should still start early in the season. C.J is gonna get like 10-12 carries a game. Freddie is gonna get his share early. But I think the Bills are gonna save Brown for later in the season. He is gonna be very fresh say around the 10th game. Freddie has been getting hurt more often than not. It was amazing that he got that many yds and TD's last year. I think getting Brown was insurance just in case Fred OR CJ gets hurt and has to sit out a long length of time. This way they can shut whoever gets hurt down and let them heal proper before putting them back out there which was not the case last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I thought I did but ok... And As you stated my Opinion is that CJ and Brown are better suited to be a 1-2 punch for this team. Freddy does not have the speed to run sideways, off tackles. pitches etc. so guard against up the gut when FJ is in the game. Yes he has great BCV, and instincts but speed kills. CJ and Brown have that speed. 40 time or not Fred is going to slow down even more than he is, it is just going to happen. My opinion. Once he loses that additional step he is going to be much easier to tackle. Fred will play through an injury but his effectiveness is going to decrease. A backfield of Brown and Spiller with Watkins, Goodwin and Williams split is a whole hell of a lot of speed to handle. There is going to be a mismatch somewhere. Why is "homerun threat" so important to you? Is 5-6 or 10-12 yards not enough or not important? Why Bryce over Dixon? Do defenses not worry about gutting out 5 yards? Why do you believe Dixon's "strength is unstoppable?" Is it his 458 yards and 8 touchdowns over 4 years? Was he playing behind arguably a better O-line in SF? What makes you think this is the year that Freddy slows down? Why not last year? I mean, the guy had one of his best years last year, playing through injury. Why is speed so important to you? Freddy is probably the best blocker as an RB on the roster. Do you think using "speed" to create a mismatch "somewhere" is more important than blocking? Why is football IQ not important to you? Freddy is a savvy veteran who always knows the situation and hardly ever makes stupid mistakes. Bryce Brown is young, and Spiller has shown a veritable gap in his football IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 If Fred doesn't set the world on fire early in the season that's ok. The small contract he was surprisingly given, I believe, is a reward for time served. It says clearly the Bills want Fred to remain with the organization after he hang's 'em up. A fresh late season Fred would be a nice change over a warn rehabbing Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why is "homerun threat" so important to you? Is 5-6 or 10-12 yards not enough or not important? Why Bryce over Dixon? Do defenses not worry about gutting out 5 yards? Why do you believe Dixon's "strength is unstoppable?" Is it his 458 yards and 8 touchdowns over 4 years? Was he playing behind arguably a better O-line in SF? What makes you think this is the year that Freddy slows down? Why not last year? I mean, the guy had one of his best years last year, playing through injury. Why is speed so important to you? Freddy is probably the best blocker as an RB on the roster. Do you think using "speed" to create a mismatch "somewhere" is more important than blocking? Why is football IQ not important to you? Freddy is a savvy veteran who always knows the situation and hardly ever makes stupid mistakes. Bryce Brown is young, and Spiller has shown a veritable gap in his football IQ. just say you don't agree with his opinion. It's an opinion. Opinions don't need to backed by anything. That's why their opinions. On 2nd and 9, I'd like to see CJ or Brown. On 3rd and 9, Freddy all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) just say you don't agree with his opinion. It's an opinion. Opinions don't need to backed by anything. That's why their opinions. On 2nd and 9, I'd like to see CJ or Brown. On 3rd and 9, Freddy all day. That's your opinion on opinions. In my opinion, unless you base an opinion on something, it's just as useful as saying the sky is green. And while I appreciate your attempt to compromise, the OP made a thread called "Unpopular Opinions" and insinuated that he knew he would be disagreed with by the masses. I want to know his reasons and see if they are well thought out. If they are not, I will point that out. Edited August 11, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The bottom line with Fred.....the guy makes plays....he gives you yardage when you need it and should not be demoted. Its a long 16 game season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's your opinion on opinions. In my opinion, unless you base an opinion on something, it's just as useful as saying the sky is green. Depending on time of year and day, atmospheric conditions, and location, the sky can appear to be green. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Why is "homerun threat" so important to you? Is 5-6 or 10-12 yards not enough or not important? Why Bryce over Dixon? Do defenses not worry about gutting out 5 yards? Why do you believe Dixon's "strength is unstoppable?" Is it his 458 yards and 8 touchdowns over 4 years? Was he playing behind arguably a better O-line in SF? What makes you think this is the year that Freddy slows down? Why not last year? I mean, the guy had one of his best years last year, playing through injury. Why is speed so important to you? Freddy is probably the best blocker as an RB on the roster. Do you think using "speed" to create a mismatch "somewhere" is more important than blocking? Why is football IQ not important to you? Freddy is a savvy veteran who always knows the situation and hardly ever makes stupid mistakes. Bryce Brown is young, and Spiller has shown a veritable gap in his football IQ. Homerun threat is important for this. If a guys breaks into open field as does not have that breakaway speed he will get caught which again I repeat I cannot say how many times i heard "If only Fred were a little faster". The offense then runs 3 more plays and has to punt. The homerun threat guy breaks that gain into a touchdown. The outcome of a game can change on one play. Do you see the point I am getting at? Regardless of Fred,CJ, Bryce. As you age you slow down. your body does not heal as fast. Not too mention the punishment these guys take. it takes a tole on the body. Playing through injury becomes harder because you become less effective. If it happens to the best backs why not to Fred? Speed is not just important to me, its important in the NFL. One thing that cannot be beat is speed. It may be cliche but Speed kills. You cant tackle what you cant catch. Football IQ is very important, but so is ability and effectiveness. Fred may have the highest football IQ, but if physically cannot do what is required, that IQ is no good and is only a teaching tool. Perfect example of this is Ryan Fitzpatrick. High IQ, mediocre talent. Let me state this is not a negative thread towards Freddy, more as a positive that the Bills have fantastic RB depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I thought I did but ok... And As you stated my Opinion is that CJ and Brown are better suited to be a 1-2 punch for this team. Freddy does not have the speed to run sideways, off tackles. pitches etc. so guard against up the gut when FJ is in the game. Yes he has great BCV, and instincts but speed kills. CJ and Brown have that speed. 40 time or not Fred is going to slow down even more than he is, it is just going to happen. My opinion. Once he loses that additional step he is going to be much easier to tackle. Fred will play through an injury but his effectiveness is going to decrease. A backfield of Brown and Spiller with Watkins, Goodwin and Williams split is a whole hell of a lot of speed to handle. There is going to be a mismatch somewhere. So not only do u not want to put the best backs out, you also dont want the best WR on the field. It's apparent you value speed more. Woods is a far better player then Goodwin (I really like goodwin). So we now disagree about 2 things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) So not only do u not want to put the best backs out, you also dont want the best WR on the field. It's apparent you value speed more. Woods is a far better player then Goodwin (I really like goodwin). So we now disagree about 2 things! I never once said that, so please do not think that. Woods may be better, but in a situation like that the player covered by a slower DB/LB should be able to get separation, causing a mismatch. Or the smaller DB will go up against Williams creating a height advantage. That is not a knock on Woods at all. THE WR on this team are set up to be interchangeable in packages. Talent wise I would say Brown and Spiller are the "Best" Of course production wise FJ has outperformed Brown. and is "better" Edited August 11, 2014 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) Homerun threat is important for this. If a guys breaks into open field as does not have that breakaway speed he will get caught which again I repeat I cannot say how many times i heard "If only Fred were a little faster". The offense then runs 3 more plays and has to punt. The homerun threat guy breaks that gain into a touchdown. The outcome of a game can change on one play. Do you see the point I am getting at? Regardless of Fred,CJ, Bryce. As you age you slow down. your body does not heal as fast. Not too mention the punishment these guys take. it takes a tole on the body. Playing through injury becomes harder because you become less effective. If it happens to the best backs why not to Fred? Speed is not just important to me, its important in the NFL. One thing that cannot be beat is speed. It may be cliche but Speed kills. You cant tackle what you cant catch. Football IQ is very important, but so is ability and effectiveness. Fred may have the highest football IQ, but if physically cannot do what is required, that IQ is no good and is only a teaching tool. Perfect example of this is Ryan Fitzpatrick. High IQ, mediocre talent. Let me state this is not a negative thread towards Freddy, more as a positive that the Bills have fantastic RB depth. I saw it from a mile away, that's why I made sure. You believe our best homerun threat RB's are Spiller and Brown, who combined for 4 TD's last year. That's an odd belief. For such homerun threats, you think they'd score more. I mean, even CJ in his best year, only had 8 total TD's. That's STILL less than Fred's 2013 number. Yet you think he's over the barrel? It boggles my mind. Fred has not shown being incapable of doing anything physically yet. I don't know why you think he has. You are dazzled by speed, and I understand that. Now I can see why Dixon is 3 and Brown is 2. Edited August 11, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I never once said that, so please do not think that. Woods may be better, but in a situation like that the player covered by a slower DB/LB should be able to get separation, causing a mismatch. Or the smaller DB will go up against Williams creating a height advantage. That is not a knock on Woods at all. THE WR on this team are set up to be interchangeable in packages. Talent wise I would say Brown and Spiller are the "Best" Of course production wise FJ has outperformed Brown. and is "better" U did say it i highlighted it. You are speaking all on hypothetical is garbage. You put ur best players out to play the game. So far Freddy is the best all around RB we have n his stats last year prove that. Woods is better than Goodwin. These are facts. Have fun playing ur stoopid game which can change to suit ur arguments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 You lost me right here. A first string RB that cannot run between the tackles at all? It's kind of difficult to run between tackles when there is nowhere to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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