What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ArdmoreRyno]

Here’s the truth of all this that no one will admit. 
 

Cats out of the bag. 
 

if that’s number of firearms in the country, our 2A, violent video games/movies or the problem of social media with the lack of actual connection our kids have... none of that will change. Ever. 
 

So let’s find proven solutions now. One this is, armed teachers and staff. It’s 100% effective. 
 

 

[716er]

Arming teachers and staff is not a proven solution.

 

It's an absurd idea.

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

Arming teachers and staff is not a proven solution.

 

It's an absurd idea.

How so? 
 

Simple question: HAS IT WORKED? Yes or no. 
 

None of the anti-gun people will face the “truth” I posted. 

[Demongyz]

Single point of entry

Many exits with auto-locking doors

Armed guards

Armed staff who choose to and take course and constant training

No more kids getting shot in school

[BillStime]

It’s time to hold gun manufactures accountable as well.

 

🎯

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Single point of entry

Many exits with auto-locking doors

Armed guards

Armed staff who choose to and take course and constant training

No more kids getting shot in school

100% the way to stop school shootings. As an educator and counselor who works at a school with much of what you listed... this is the only feasible solution. 
 

People thinking you raise the age or ban “AR’s” are just morons. Will never happen. SCOTUS already ruled on those very subjects. But keep harping that’s how you stop it 🙄

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Demongyz said:

Single point of entry

Many exits with auto-locking doors

Armed guards

Armed staff who choose to and take course and constant training

No more kids getting shot in school

So then the gun nuts will find other outlets just like they do now. No place is safe.

 

Only country on this planet with this issue and the cult thinks more guns will make us safe. 
 

What a world you want to live in - sick

[LDD]

6 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Single point of entry

Many exits with auto-locking doors

Armed guards

Armed staff who choose to and take course and constant training

No more kids getting shot in school

I don't disagree.  The issue is that what you propose is VERY expensive.  People hate all over public schools as it is because they don't understand the amount of federally mandated expenditures.  What you just proposed is probably a million dollar yearly expenditure for a rural school district IF they have their physical security in shape.  Great idea if we're willing to pay for it.  

[B-Man]

 

 

Last night.

 

 

[716er]

15 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

How so? 
 

Simple question: HAS IT WORKED? Yes or no. 
 

None of the anti-gun people will face the “truth” I posted. 

 

How do you know there were no armed school martials at Copp Elementary?

 

Last year Texas enacted a law that allows school faculty members to be designated as "armed school martials." These are teachers who take a training course and are then allowed to close carry on campus. Their identities are kept hidden. 

[BillStime]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

100% the way to stop school shootings. As an educator and counselor who works at a school with much of what you listed... this is the only feasible solution. 
 

People thinking you raise the age or ban “AR’s” are just morons. Will never happen. SCOTUS already ruled on those very subjects. But keep harping that’s how you stop it 🙄

SCOTUS????? lolz

 

They already ruled abortion twice! 
 

Another argument dead for our resident NRA gun nut.

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, LDD said:

I don't disagree.  The issue is that what you propose is VERY expensive.  People hate all over public schools as it is because they don't understand the amount of federally mandated expenditures.  What you just proposed is probably a million dollar yearly expenditure for a rural school district IF they have their physical security in shape.  Great idea if we're willing to pay for it.  

We’ve sent tens of billions to Ukraine. We can find money. My school is hardened. A SRO can simply be a local officer stationed there. We had one until 2 years ago... the Chickasaw Nation (Lighthorse PD) is volunteering officers to our schools next year. No cost to us or tax payers. 

I’m one of 3-5 veterans at the school. We’ve had this conversation and would volunteer in a heartbeat. 
 

There ARE ways. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

We’ve sent tens of billions to Ukraine. We can find money. My school is hardened. A SRO can simply be a local officer stationed there. We had one until 2 years ago... the Chickasaw Nation (Lighthorse PD) is volunteering officers to our schools next year. No cost to us or tax payers. 

I’m one of 3-5 veterans at the school. We’ve had this conversation and would volunteer in a heartbeat. 
 

There ARE ways. 

And supermarkets, too? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

How do you know there were no armed school martials at Copp Elementary?

 

Last year Texas enacted a law that allows school faculty members to be designated as "armed school martials." These are teachers who take a training course and are then allowed to close carry on campus. Their identities are kept hidden. 

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

SCOTUS????? lolz

 

They already ruled abortion twice! 
 

Another argument dead for our resident NRA gun nut.

Since I can’t find the block button I’ll answer the resident MORON. 
 

SCOTUS isn’t taking away abortion. Even if they rule on it again. They’d give it to the states. 
 

You’re really this stupid aren’t you??? 
 

BTW: I’ve never been a member of the NRA. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno

[716er]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Since I can’t find the block button I’ll answer the resident MORON. 
 

 

Hover curser over user name and click the big Ignore button.

[ArdmoreRyno]

14 minutes ago, LDD said:

I don't disagree.  The issue is that what you propose is VERY expensive.  People hate all over public schools as it is because they don't understand the amount of federally mandated expenditures.  What you just proposed is probably a million dollar yearly expenditure for a rural school district IF they have their physical security in shape.  Great idea if we're willing to pay for it.  

 

It’s been reported no armed teachers at this school & there was no SRO there. 
 

Yes, Texas teachers CAN carry but it’s up to each district. Ones who have, there’s never been a school shooting. Not in over 20 years. Seems like a damn good deterrent. 
 

Google “armed teacher” signs. The Buffalo murderer even wrote... he assumed there would be no one carrying at the supermarket. 
 

In this case, deterrence can work. It’s proven. 

Just now, 716er said:

 

Hover curser over user name and click the big Ignore button.

Thanks! I’ll have to get on my laptop. 

Just now, 716er said:

 

Hover curser over user name and click the big Ignore button.

 

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And supermarkets, too? 

you keep ignore facts. Why is that? 
 

 

[716er]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It’s been reported no armed teachers at this school & there was no SRO there. 

 

 

How can you trust a report at this point with the backtracking Texas officials have already done multiple times in regard to this shooting?

 

And again, in Texas armed school marshalls' identities are kept hidden by law. Not sure how those who reported "no armed teachers" (could you link to this? - I have not seen it) could have done so so quickly. 

[Demongyz]

32 minutes ago, LDD said:

I don't disagree.  The issue is that what you propose is VERY expensive.  People hate all over public schools as it is because they don't understand the amount of federally mandated expenditures.  What you just proposed is probably a million dollar yearly expenditure for a rural school district IF they have their physical security in shape.  Great idea if we're willing to pay for it.  

This is true, very expensive.  I believe we just gave $40 Billion to Ukraine, perhaps that's the kind of funds we need.  Hell, if instead of donating to anti-gun and pro-gun causes we donated to make schools safe, that would probably pay for it too.  

 

This country spends so much money on crap that is completely useless or give money to so many countries it's a joke.  We should fund keeping out students safe, and fund mental healthcare and perhaps we can have a much safer country without having to give up our rights.

[Tiberius]

20 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It’s been reported no armed teachers at this school & there was no SRO there. 
 

Yes, Texas teachers CAN carry but it’s up to each district. Ones who have, there’s never been a school shooting. Not in over 20 years. Seems like a damn good deterrent. 
 

Google “armed teacher” signs. The Buffalo murderer even wrote... he assumed there would be no one carrying at the supermarket. 
 

In this case, deterrence can work. It’s proven. 

Thanks! I’ll have to get on my laptop. 

 

you keep ignore facts. Why is that? 
 

 

It's too defensive to arm the whole society. We need to be proactive. Start draining the swamp of guns. We should have a peaceful society, not one where guns are the number one killers of our children. 

25 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Since I can’t find the block button I’ll answer the resident MORON. 
 

SCOTUS isn’t taking away abortion. Even if they rule on it again. They’d give it to the states. 
 

You’re really this stupid aren’t you??? 
 

BTW: I’ve never been a member of the NRA. 

Sure it is. If you are a women living in. a state controlled by the ones that want to control women's bodies, the SCOTUS is taking away their rights. 

 

Pretty easy to understand 

[BillStime]

45 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Since I can’t find the block button I’ll answer the resident MORON. 
 

SCOTUS isn’t taking away abortion. Even if they rule on it again. They’d give it to the states. 
 

You’re really this stupid aren’t you??? 
 

BTW: I’ve never been a member of the NRA. 

No - the moron is the one pointing to the SCOTUS thinking their right to bare any arm is safe while the SCOTUS is literally taking AWAY rights for the first time in its history.
 

And as soon as they knock down Roe - nearly every red state will ban abortion.

 

Because in typical hypocritical fashion the cult thinks banning abortion will work but gun laws do not.

 

Idiots 

Edited May 27, 2022 by BillStime

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

How can you trust a report at this point with the backtracking Texas officials have already done multiple times in regard to this shooting?

 

I have no idea why anyone, puts any level of faith in any of the reports coming out. Maybe we could take a novel approach and wait until all the facts are sorted out before placing blame or exonerating?

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

It’s been reported no armed teachers at this school & there was no SRO there. 
 

Yes, Texas teachers CAN carry but it’s up to each district. Ones who have, there’s never been a school shooting. Not in over 20 years. Seems like a damn good deterrent. 
 

Google “armed teacher” signs. The Buffalo murderer even wrote... he assumed there would be no one carrying at the supermarket. 
 

In this case, deterrence can work. It’s proven. 

Thanks! I’ll have to get on my laptop. 

 

you keep ignore facts. Why is that? 
 

 

 

The kids got in because a teacher heard the truck crash and she propped the door open when she went out to see what happened. Thats how this lined up.  We need security at the schools but also need to put in some laws to stop insane people from getting guns.  The only way is mental health exams for buyers. Will it stop all of them? Probably not but at least it'll be better. We can't have some classroom each year winning the lucky lottery of being eliminated by a shooter. 

[BillStime]

22 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

The kids got in because a teacher heard the truck crash and she propped the door open when she went out to see what happened. Thats how this lined up.  We need security at the schools but also need to put in some laws to stop insane people from getting guns.  The only way is mental health exams for buyers. Will it stop all of them? Probably not but at least it'll be better. We can't have some classroom each year winning the lucky lottery of being eliminated by a shooter. 

I can’t buy Sudafed without my license being scanned and data logged and can only buy so much Sudafed every week/month due to federal regulations.

 

But I guess it’s cool to walk into Oasis Outback to buy a semi-automatic rifle and then return the next day to buy 375 rounds of ammunition, and then again two days later to pick up a Daniel Defense AR-style rifle and it’s totally legal.

 

If only we could do something about this but no - the answer is put more guns on the street and arm teachers - who better not say the word gay.

 

How F up is that?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

HUMILIATION REQUIRES A SENSE OF SHAME: 

 

Sen. Klobuchar Humiliates Herself With Stupid Gun Control Talking Point.

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/05/27/sen-klobuchar-humiliates-herself-with-stupid-gun-control-talking-point-n1601416

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, 716er said:

 

Hover curser over user name and click the big Ignore button.

 

We need to have Scott work on the feature for mobile devices.  

[B-Man]

 

 

No, Anti-Gunners: Examples of Inept Policing Are Not Arguments for More Gun Control

 

 

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2022/05/27/no-anti-gunners-examples-of-inept-policing-are-not-arguments-for-more-gun-control-n570957

 

 

[Tiberius]

Ya, force the kids at gun point to learn about Civil Rights and to wear masks! 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

It's too defensive to arm the whole society. We need to be proactive. Start draining the swamp of guns. We should have a peaceful society, not one where guns are the number one killers of our children. 

 

 

So your only solution is to get rid of all guns?  That should take about 1,500 years.  You said we need a peaceful society.  Guns do not make up society people do.  But guns are peaceful.  Mine are sitting locked away not bothering anyone as we speak. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No, Anti-Gunners: Examples of Inept Policing Are Not Arguments for More Gun Control

 

 

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2022/05/27/no-anti-gunners-examples-of-inept-policing-are-not-arguments-for-more-gun-control-n570957

 

 

But why ban guns from NRA meeting when Trump is there?? What the heck? 

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

 

The kids got in because a teacher heard the truck crash and she propped the door open when she went out to see what happened. Thats how this lined up.  We need security at the schools but also need to put in some laws to stop insane people from getting guns.  The only way is mental health exams for buyers. Will it stop all of them? Probably not but at least it'll be better. We can't have some classroom each year winning the lucky lottery of being eliminated by a shooter. 

So you want to take people's guns away? 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Ya, force the kids at gun point to learn about Civil Rights and to wear masks! 

 

 

 

Mmmhmmm this makes sense.  We don't want teachers to groom our kids mean we should fear they're going to kill them.  

[Tiberius]

 

[aristocrat]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But why ban guns from NRA meeting when Trump is there?? What the heck? 

So you want to take people's guns away? 

no I want psych evals for all buyers. All states have red flag laws and raise the age to 21

[Tiberius]

Just now, aristocrat said:

no I want psych evals for all buyers. All states have red flag laws and raise the age to 21

You want to take everyone's guns, then. How is that going to work? 

[aristocrat]

Just now, Tiberius said:

You want to take everyone's guns, then. How is that going to work? 

What?

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

What?

He’s being a troll. 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

What?

That's what we get when ever we say any type of gun control, it gets turned into "you want to take our guns away" 

 

Stupid, right? 

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

He’s being a troll. 

Just to prove a point 

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's what we get when ever we say any type of gun control, it gets turned into "you want to take our guns away" 

 

Stupid, right? 

Just to prove a point 

Do you want to take AR platforms? Yes or no?

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Do you want to take AR platforms? Yes or no?

No, but victims of people that use those weapons should be able to sue the maker of the gun.  

 

 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Do you want to take AR platforms? Yes or no?

100%
 

Zero need.

 

Ask these parents and their kids:

 

Zoom in and look at those faces.

[B-Man]

 

NARRATIVE FAIL: White Supremacists Are NOT The Most Likely Mass Murderers

 

John Lott, the dispassionate social scientist and president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, has the details that the data reveal over at the Federalist . . .

In his Buffalo, New York speech last week following a mass shooting, President Biden showed he still has only two things on his mind regarding crime: guns and white supremacists.

 

No one can defend white supremacists. But with violent crime soaring and this latest attack in Buffalo, people want something done. Yet Biden’s agenda won’t make people safer. 

 

“Look, we’ve seen the mass shootings in Charleston, South Carolina; El Paso, Texas; in Pittsburgh. Last year in Atlanta. This week in Dallas, Texas, and now in Buffalo. In Buffalo, New York,” Biden said. “White supremacy is a poison. It’s a poison. It really is. Running through our body politic. And it’s been allowed to fester and grow right in front of our eyes. No more. I mean, no more.”

 

Of the 82 mass public shootings from January 1998 to May 2021, 9 percent have known or alleged ties to white supremacists, neo-Nazis, or anti-immigrant views.

 

Many of the anti-immigrant attackers, such as the Buffalo murderer, hold decidedly environmentalist views that are more in line with the Democrat agenda.

 

Other groups commit mass public shootings disproportionately more than whites do. While non-Middle Eastern whites make up about 64 percent of the population, they make up 58 percent of the mass public shooters. Another 9 percent are carried out by people of Middle Eastern origin, who make up only 0.4 percent of the country’s population. That makes Middle Easterners the most likely ethnic or racial group to carry out mass public shootings.

 

Blacks, Asians, and American Indians also commit these attacks at a slightly higher rate than their share of the population. Hispanics commit them at much lower rates (11 percent lower) than their share of the population.

 

Seventy-one percent of mass public shooters have no identifiable political views. But you would never know this from watching TV police dramas or listening to Biden’s constant claim that white supremacists pose the biggest threat of domestic terrorism.

 

What most Americans don’t realize is that less than 9% of violent crimes in America involve firearms. Going after guns, even in a perfect world, won’t prevent meaningful numbers of violent crimes.

 

After all, people walking the streets while on insane ‘affordable bail’ can still drive their SUVs through crowds of people, killing many. But they won’t get Joe Biden to visit the city, talk about the crime, the black supremacist driver, or the soft-on-crime policies that let Darrell Brooks out of jail on $1000 bond after he tried to kill someone by running them down with the same SUV.

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/23/data-shows-white-supremacists-are-not-the-most-likely-mass-murderers/