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Government shouldn't pay for ANY abortions. Has nothing to do with the government at all. If you screwed up your life then you are an idiot. Either have the baby or take out a loan and pay for it. I don't want to pay for it. That makes me an accessory to murder.

 

Why do you think crazy people shoot up schools? Because they are "gun free zones." They aren't going to go shoot up a police headquarters right?

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8 minutes ago, BillStime said:


jfc - you think the government pays for EVERY abortion?

 

And let’s talk about morals:

 

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You freaks don’t care about children 


just like you say that kids who transitioned and later want to go back just have buyers remorse? 

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1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

In the history of the world women have never had the right of killing babies.

 

Do you have a source for this sweeping statement? Probably not, because it is not true.

 

There are two important questions here. First, were there cultures that actually approved of infanticide? 

 

Yes. One example, the Spartans in Greece, and there were others. From Wikipedia:

Sparta was above all a militarist state, and emphasis on military fitness began virtually at birth. Shortly after birth, a mother would bathe her child in wine to see whether the child was strong. If the child survived it was brought before the Gerousia by the child's father. The Gerousia then decided whether it was to be reared or not.[27] It is commonly stated that if they considered it "puny and deformed", the baby was thrown into a chasm on Mount Taygetos known euphemistically as the Apothetae (Gr., ἀποθέται, "Deposits").[113][114] This was, in effect, a primitive form of eugenics.[113] Sparta is often viewed as being unique in this regard, however, anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule."[115] There is controversy about the matter in Sparta, since excavations in the chasm only uncovered adult remains, likely belonging to criminals.[116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Birth_and_death

 

Second question: Do all cultures recognize a fetus as a baby?

 

No. And there are lots of examples, too many to list here.

In ancient culture, lets go with the Stoics in Greece (again, from Wikipedia):

The Stoics believed the fetus to be plantlike in nature, and not an animal until the moment of birth, when it finally breathed air. They therefore found abortion morally acceptable.

Another example, Judaism. From https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/

Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth.

 

As an added bonus, here is the Israeli view of abortion...

 

Is abortion legal in Israel?

Yes. All Israeli women seeking to terminate a pregnancy (and have it paid for through state health insurance) must appear before a three-person committee, but in practice nearly all requests are granted. There are no laws limiting when an abortion can be performed, and a woman whose request is denied by the committee can still seek an abortion at a private clinic. Estimates are that about half the abortions performed in Israel are done in private clinics. As of 2014, abortions were paid for entirely by the state for women aged 20 to 33, and subsidized abortions were granted for those outside that age range.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/

 

 

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5 hours ago, DrW said:

 

Do you have a source for this sweeping statement? Probably not, because it is not true.

 

There are two important questions here. First, were there cultures that actually approved of infanticide? 

 

Yes. One example, the Spartans in Greece, and there were others. From Wikipedia:

Sparta was above all a militarist state, and emphasis on military fitness began virtually at birth. Shortly after birth, a mother would bathe her child in wine to see whether the child was strong. If the child survived it was brought before the Gerousia by the child's father. The Gerousia then decided whether it was to be reared or not.[27] It is commonly stated that if they considered it "puny and deformed", the baby was thrown into a chasm on Mount Taygetos known euphemistically as the Apothetae (Gr., ἀποθέται, "Deposits").[113][114] This was, in effect, a primitive form of eugenics.[113] Sparta is often viewed as being unique in this regard, however, anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule."[115] There is controversy about the matter in Sparta, since excavations in the chasm only uncovered adult remains, likely belonging to criminals.[116]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Birth_and_death

 

Second question: Do all cultures recognize a fetus as a baby?

 

No. And there are lots of examples, too many to list here.

In ancient culture, lets go with the Stoics in Greece (again, from Wikipedia):

The Stoics believed the fetus to be plantlike in nature, and not an animal until the moment of birth, when it finally breathed air. They therefore found abortion morally acceptable.

Another example, Judaism. From https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/

Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth.

 

As an added bonus, here is the Israeli view of abortion...

 

Is abortion legal in Israel?

Yes. All Israeli women seeking to terminate a pregnancy (and have it paid for through state health insurance) must appear before a three-person committee, but in practice nearly all requests are granted. There are no laws limiting when an abortion can be performed, and a woman whose request is denied by the committee can still seek an abortion at a private clinic. Estimates are that about half the abortions performed in Israel are done in private clinics. As of 2014, abortions were paid for entirely by the state for women aged 20 to 33, and subsidized abortions were granted for those outside that age range.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/

 

 

I'll give you a beer for the effort. I did not know any previous civilization was ok with abortions. That still makes me sad and I don't agree with it. If you have ever been to an ultrasound you see that living person in there and it really hits different. At the same time I don't think any laws will prevent people from doing it because humans are immoral and selfish. I just don't think it's up to the government (and thus us the taxpayer) to pay for it. If you are a garbage human being who wants to kill their baby then you pay for it. Otherwise what's stopping them from using abortion as a form of birth control?

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While enjoying Thanksgiving on Nantucket this week, Joe Biden talked with a reporter about his desire to ban semiautomatic weapons, and his choice of words was very revealing.

 

Watch below:

 

 

One more time and louder for the people in the back:

 

“The idea we still allow semiautomatic weapons to be purchased is sick.”

 

Did everybody get that?

https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/11/25/joe-bidens-choice-of-words-regarding-gun-sales-is-very-revealing/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our right to bear arms is inherent to our being.       Not a privilege handed down at the whims of the state.

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

While enjoying Thanksgiving on Nantucket this week, Joe Biden talked with a reporter about his desire to ban semiautomatic weapons, and his choice of words was very revealing.

 

Watch below:

 

 

One more time and louder for the people in the back:

 

“The idea we still allow semiautomatic weapons to be purchased is sick.”

 

Did everybody get that?

 

https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/11/25/joe-bidens-choice-of-words-regarding-gun-sales-is-very-revealing/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our right to bear arms is inherent to our being.       Not a privilege handed down at the whims of the state.

 

 

 

 

 


As I said in another thread what this demonstrates is that our President is advocating for the ban of something he doesn’t even know what it is. Someone explain to Biden the difference between semi-automatic and fully automatic. 

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You know I was thinking that the Founding Fathers made a simple typo while writing the Constitution. When they wrote "the right to bear arms" they really meant "the right to bare arms" that would give everyone the right to wear tank tops, which was highly frowned upon by British Empire at that time, as we all know.

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7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So now the police can’t have guns either? I’m not following the point of this story. 

 

Dumbass thinks his home has been burglarized so he wanders around outside at night with a rifle.  What was he planning on doing with his rifle outside?  

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