Doc Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 You argued vigorously and repeatedly and ridiculously against the bolded when it was pointed out to you a few years ago. As always, you do come around. Oh, the irony! Anyway... I haven't "come around" because there's nothing to come around in this instance. I said obviously Goodell used the hit-and-run as a first incident, even though Lynch got little more than a traffic ticket. Now I know that Goodell uses a first incident, even minor, as a starting point from which to mete-out punishment. Which is why I say he won't suspend Dareus. As for Dareus, he was in possession of a class 1 felony substance. I'm sure the prosecutor will argue that he was getting high on this substance to avoid a positive league drug test. I'm not sure what mitigating circumstances the Dareus law team will point to except "hey, it's his first offense!". So let me ask you: do you think he'll be charged with a felony or that a misdemeanor will be enough to get him suspended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Oh, the irony! Anyway... I haven't "come around" because there's nothing to come around in this instance. I said obviously Goodell used the hit-and-run as a first incident, even though Lynch got little more than a traffic ticket. Now I know that Goodell uses a first incident, even minor, as a starting point from which to mete-out punishment. Which is why I say he won't suspend Dareus. So let me ask you: do you think he'll be charged with a felony or that a misdemeanor will be enough to get him suspended? You now say what the rest of us said at the time (and you would not concede) is that Lynch was drunk that night. As for your question, I have answered it several times already. But I will say it again so you can write it down some where. It doesn't matter. If he is convicted of a crime involving illegal (banned or not) substance of abuse, he is on the hook for 4 games. This is not disputable. Whether Goodell gives him all for games, who knows. But he is well within his authority (given to him by the owners AND the NFLPA to do so. And there is nothing in that rule that mentions "first offense". You say he will get no suspension. I don't see how that is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You now say what the rest of us said at the time (and you would not concede) is that Lynch was drunk that night. No, I said Goodell probably suspects he was. As for your question, I have answered it several times already. But I will say it again so you can write it down some where. It doesn't matter. If he is convicted of a crime involving illegal (banned or not) substance of abuse, he is on the hook for 4 games. This is not disputable. Whether Goodell gives him all for games, who knows. But he is well within his authority (given to him by the owners AND the NFLPA to do so. And there is nothing in that rule that mentions "first offense". You say he will get no suspension. I don't see how that is possible. How do you explain Nick Kaczur, who was arrested in 2008, 2 years after Goodell became Commish, with 202 oxycodone pills with intent to distribute, and he wasn't suspended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Why would Goodell assume Lynch was drunk? 2 months after Goodell started? Come on doc. Aren't you the one who says Goodell has had to establish a pattern of behavior for you to figure out what he might do? Now you're citing his treatment of a player after only 2 months on the job? Anyway, I'm not sure when the rule regarding conviction for substances of abuse bringing 4 games was put into the CBA. May have been after 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Why would Goodell assume Lynch was drunk? 2 months after Goodell started? Come on doc. Aren't you the one who says Goodell has had to establish a pattern of behavior for you to figure out what he might do? Now you're citing his treatment of a player after only 2 months on the job? Anyway, I'm not sure when the rule regarding conviction for substances of abuse bringing 4 games was put into the CBA. May have been after 2008. 2 years WEO. 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 2 years WEO. 2 years. My bad. But why would he assume Lynch was drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 My bad. But why would he assume Lynch was drunk? Because most people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Because most people do. All but one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 @ProFootballTalk Josh Gordon appeal is proceeding http://wp.me/p14QSB-9u5c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 All but one.... Hardly. I can understand why people would, but I need at least some evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland Rocks? Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Gordon is participating in OTA's. Interesting. I think he gets 16 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 @evansilva On NFL Insiders, Schefter on #Browns WR Josh Gordon: "The full expectation still is that Josh Gordon is facing a year-long suspension." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 @evansilva On NFL Insiders, Schefter on #Browns WR Josh Gordon: "The full expectation still is that Josh Gordon is facing a year-long suspension." You can make book on that, missy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 9m Josh Gordon was in Stage 3 of the drug program at the time of his most recent violation http://wp.me/p14QSB-9urC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 @RuiterWrongFAN Report: #Browns WR Josh Gordon Pulled Over For Speeding; Passenger Had Marijuana In Possession « CBS Cleveland http://cbsloc.al/1iBLN39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 @RuiterWrongFAN Report: #Browns WR Josh Gordon Pulled Over For Speeding; Passenger Had Marijuana In Possession « CBS Cleveland http://cbsloc.al/1iBLN39 Some people just have to learn the hard way because they can't get out of their own way. Unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 @RuiterWrongFAN Report: #Browns WR Josh Gordon Pulled Over For Speeding; Passenger Had Marijuana In Possession « CBS Cleveland http://cbsloc.al/1iBLN39 Well I think the deal is set on his suspension at this point if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Some people just have to learn the hard way because they can't get out of their own way. Unfortunate. Or they just don't learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 @MaryKayCabot More on #browns' Gordon speeding tix: 4 people in his car, officer smelled pot, one passenger cited for marijuana. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_josh_gordon_t_1.html … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDBUFFCUSEFAN Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Ray Rice will get 2 games for uppercutting his wife and Gordon gets a year for smoking weed, LOLNFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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