Big Turk Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) If they are trying to run the ball down teams throats again next year I'm going to cry. This team might have the deepest WR corp in the NFL and can go 4 or 5 wide to create major, major mismatches in the secondary. I mean what 3rd CB is gonna cover Stevie? What 4th CB is gonna cover Woods? What 5th CB is gonna cover Goodwin?? hen you can take Chandler and move him in the slot to create a mismatch against an LB in coverage...then they have Spiller and Jackson to worry about in the backfield... We have a host of weapons at our disposal now and if we don't use them Hackett needs to go... Edited May 9, 2014 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Spiller did his best work out of Gailey's spread offense so there is some hope there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Nice matter, I was gonna start a thread sorta like this one. It boils down to this: What is the starting lineup for the Bills O/what is the "base offense"? Answer: O line QB RB 4 WR That means 4 of your starters....play the same position. You can't have 2nd/3rd best players....as starters. Consider: If the O line was thought of the same (old) way we think of WR = #1 WR, #2 WR, Slot WR, etc.? Let me tell you: we'd have more than a few posters here losing their minds. No. You need STARTERS at every STARTING position. Therefore, you need 4 STARTING WRs, every bit as much as you need 5 STARTING O lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I said it in the shoutbox; this is on Hackett now. He has to design a scheme that maximizes the talents of the players he has at his disposable. It's also on EJ Manuel to execute, but it's mostly on Hackett. If there is one thing Chan Gailey did well, it was designing and offensive scheme that masked the deficiencies of the players on the field while also highlighting their strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 When we took Mike Williams, I kept thinking that a 4 WR set could be common. Now? Stevie? Mi. Williams? Woods? Watkins? Goodwin? Hell, we have a saturation of talent here, without having a single big possession player. My only hope is that they progress the Run and Shoot from what EJ was using last year and use that spread to let Spiller thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think Stevie is definitely in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 When we took Mike Williams, I kept thinking that a 4 WR set could be common. Now? Stevie? Mi. Williams? Woods? Watkins? Goodwin? Hell, we have a saturation of talent here, without having a single big possession player. My only hope is that they progress the Run and Shoot from what EJ was using last year and use that spread to let Spiller thrive. Last year the lions used Reggie Bush, lining up at RB, then shifting to WR depending on whatever side Megatron lined up at/what the D did in repsonse to great effect.... ...well... when and if Stafford didn't F things up. The play was open all the time. I would line up Stevie on one side, and pre-snap shift Spiller to the other, behind two WR setting up the screen blocking. That could be damn dangerous, because now you have a S trying to cover Spiller in space(if you do it right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 You know what really bothers me just now, after reading this... Spiller at WR. Spiller is very good at motioning to the slot position and running routes due to the mismatches it creates. Having another WR with three other good WR's makes me wonder what the plan will be with Spiller. We cannot line up without a TE on the field, even if he barely blocks anyone. We don't have the OL. But imagine if we did? Empty backfield after CJ motions outside? I don't know if that scares the crap out of me or makes me think more. But, it all falls on EJ now and our OL has to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Nice matter, I was gonna start a thread sorta like this one. It boils down to this: What is the starting lineup for the Bills O/what is the "base offense"? Answer: O line QB RB 4 WR That means 4 of your starters....play the same position. You can't have 2nd/3rd best players....as starters. Consider: If the O line was thought of the same (old) way we think of WR = #1 WR, #2 WR, Slot WR, etc.? Let me tell you: we'd have more than a few posters here losing their minds. No. You need STARTERS at every STARTING position. Therefore, you need 4 STARTING WRs, every bit as much as you need 5 STARTING O lineman. I'm not trying to argue with your point or diminish the value of 4 WR's but the differentiation is that the 5 o lineman are on the field every offensive play where 4 WR's obviously are not. In a two tight end set I don't consider the second tight end a starter, nor would the 2 WR's that come off. So without getting semantic there really aren't 4 starting positions for WR's like o lineman. Edited May 9, 2014 by Triple Threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrakon Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Bills have an embarrassment of riches on offense. We need to accept that. Our team is gonna kick some ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Unless they upgrade the RT spot, don't think we will have enough QB's to make it through the whole season with run and shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smapdi Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Agreed. Hackett needs to go tear down his playbook and start from scratch. The best coaches tailor their scheme's to their player's talents. With the acquisition of Watkins and Williams, we now have 5 legit WR's: Watkins Johnson Woods Williams Goodwin Hackett needs to go watch what Gailey did last season here and spread things out. Lots of 4 WR sets with Spiller in the backfield. Spiller was at his best when they operated out of the spread. Force defenses to role out 6 DB's constantly and watch Spiller/FJax slice and dice through all those DB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Hackett needs to be relieved of play calling duty. Marrone needs to call the plays. EJ and this WR group needs experience at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 If they are trying to run the ball down teams throats again next year I'm going to cry. This team might have the deepest WR corp in the NFL and can go 4 or 5 wide to create major, major mismatches in the secondary. I mean what 3rd CB is gonna cover Stevie? What 4th CB is gonna cover Woods? What 5th CB is gonna cover Goodwin?? hen you can take Chandler and move him in the slot to create a mismatch against an LB in coverage...then they have Spiller and Jackson to worry about in the backfield... We have a host of weapons at our disposal now and if we don't use them Hackett needs to go... Stevie is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Stevie is gone. Not necessarily this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Stevie is gone. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Stevie & Fred-x bleed Buffalo red, white & blue but I would still like to grab Hyde at the top of the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsClinton Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 You know what really bothers me just now, after reading this... Spiller at WR. Spiller is very good at motioning to the slot position and running routes due to the mismatches it creates. Having another WR with three other good WR's makes me wonder what the plan will be with Spiller. We cannot line up without a TE on the field, even if he barely blocks anyone. We don't have the OL. But imagine if we did? Empty backfield after CJ motions outside? I don't know if that scares the crap out of me or makes me think more. But, it all falls on EJ now and our OL has to step up. The problem with this is that Doug Marrone was asked last year about lining up CJ at WR and he basically said something to the effect of, "why would we do that? he's a running back." I think that says a lot about the lack of creativity in our play calling. Also the fact that we didn't motion pre-snap ONCE last year... I agree now that the weapons are in place that this season is on EJ, but I can't take the onus of blame off of Hackett if he fails to put our players in position to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The problem with this is that Doug Marrone was asked last year about lining up CJ at WR and he basically said something to the effect of, "why would we do that? he's a running back." I think that says a lot about the lack of creativity in our play calling. Also the fact that we didn't motion pre-snap ONCE last year... I agree now that the weapons are in place that this season is on EJ, but I can't take the onus of blame off of Hackett if he fails to put our players in position to succeed. I am really beginning to look at this team with serious concern. We may have better talent then 3 years ago but I cannot see how this staff can capitalize on it. With Gailey we had a great offense for such a poor unit. We had a defense that was re-sewn patchwork every off season. You build your team around your talent and when you cannot build around your talent and instead you choose to build around your team you end up with bullet point anecdotes that we hear too often from coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 It's unfortunate that the Bills are teathered to an unimaginative offensive coordinator.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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