YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 yeah..both sides spinning the story they want the public to hear. Only 1.5 hrs to go... #freebyrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Turning down 30 in 3 hurts but I'll say parker advocates getting every dollar now and actually playing out the deal (note peters deal here wasn't his). I haven't dug it up for every deal but something I've heard more than once and Byrd not making any noise year 3 of his rookie deal supports it. Well, he didn't make any noise in year 3 because he hadn't make the Pro Bowl, much less All-Pro, in 2 years, i.e. since his impressive rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I will get over my disdain for him dancing all over EJ's knee on Oct. 3 if we go after TJ Ward. He is a year younger than Byrd and I think he is a better all-around player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckinny Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 But with the rookie pay scale and so much cap space, Back up the truck and retain some resemblance of a functioning front office. Is he worth 10 Million a year, no but it was a fornt loaded offer, he woudl average that with incentives over the 1st 3 years, at the end of the 3 years probably a bargain or easily tradeable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 if you are referring to the AP report on Byrd yesterday, you are mistaken in what you wrote. the AP never reported the word guaranteed. it reported the Bills had offered Byrd a deal that would pay him about $30 million over the first three years of a multiyear contract. never was there any mention of what the guaranteed money would be. jw Assuming the APs sources are accurate, there's only a couple of reasons a safety turns that offer down... its heavily incentive laden and the player isn't confident he'll hit those incentives or the player just wants out (for whatever his reasons). But about $10 million/yr for a safety is in no way being cheap or not wanting to re-sign your own. Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Some people let their hatred of Journalists blind them to a pathetic degree. Still doesn't mean Graham isn't an asshat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Back on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'm just speculating here but I think that the real problem was last year when we didn't come to terms and paid him. I think that last year the Old Timers controlled and handled the contracts, like they still do, and being unsettled with the newly acquired New Breed and it was mishandled. The Byrd camp felt slighted and got pissed off, the Old Timers stuck to their outdated guns and the New Breed were unsettled and powerless to have any significant influence or sayso. It's seems apparent to me that not only letting the Old Timers handle and botch this whole Byrd fiasco but more importantly they are the ones who are the most accountable for keeping this franchise in the doldrums for the last 14+ years. I hate to say or admit it but we really are a laughingstock in the NFL and sadly rightfully so. We're not victims of our reputation, we "earned" it. Ps-While Belichick truly is an excellent coach and football guy but it didn't hurt that we most definitely added to his lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 To people who don't like EJ Manuel, Graham is a truth-teller and just telling it like it is. To reasonable people who think Manuel is a second-year player with much to prove, Graham is super un-professional and the proverbial blind squirrel, occasionally finding a nut. Any revelations that come through him are severely negated by his lack of professionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 To people who don't like EJ Manuel, Graham is a truth-teller and just telling it like it is. To reasonable people who think Manuel is a second-year player with much to prove, Graham is super un-professional and the proverbial blind squirrel, occasionally finding a nut. Any revelations that come through him are severely negated by his lack of professionalism. I like EJ Manuel. I approved of drafting him. I think he is a second year player with much to prove. Like Graham, I don't think he really deserves to be handed the starting QB job without competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I like EJ Manuel. I approved of drafting him. I think he is a second year player with much to prove. Like Graham, I don't think he really deserves to be handed the starting QB job without competition. Graham thinks they should draft a QB in the first round. I think they should draft a player who will make the most impact in the first round. Only one of the QBs fits that bill for me. And I do want a QB somewhere in rounds 2-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 I like EJ Manuel. I approved of drafting him. I think he is a second year player with much to prove. Like Graham, I don't think he really deserves to be handed the starting QB job without competition. I would have to say that this is a very fair assessment of EJ and our QB situation. Who, or should I say, what has Manuel done or shown where he shouldn't have to have fair competition to be the starter?? I think, like others have stated, including Graham, that if we just rely on EJ and name him the clear cut starter without him actually earning it then this will be a huge error on our part and could destroy any chance of ever moving forward or getting to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I would have to say that this is a very fair assessment of EJ and our QB situation. Who, or should I say, what has Manuel done or shown where he shouldn't have to have fair competition to be the starter?? I think, like others have stated, including Graham, that if we just rely on EJ and name him the clear cut starter without him actually earning it then this will be a huge error on our part and could destroy any chance of ever moving forward or getting to the next level. Graham has not just said that EJ needs competition. He said to EJ's face that they should draft another first round QB -- which is essentially saying his replacement should be drafted this season, whether the talent is there or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Graham thinks they should draft a QB in the first round. I think they should draft a player who will make the most impact in the first round. Only one of the QBs fits that bill for me. And I do want a QB somewhere in rounds 2-5. I would like to see us take a QB in the 3rd rd. IMO someone like Georgia's QB Aaron Murray or LSU's QB Zach Mettenberger would be an excellent choice and a very wise decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I would like to see us take a QB in the 3rd rd. IMO someone like Georgia's QB Aaron Murray or LSU's QB Zach Mettenberger would be an excellent choice and a very wise decision. I'm all for either of those two. They may be available even later due to the injury concerns, but if the Bills like them I am comfortable with pulling the trigger at that slot. Even better if they have traded down somewhere and acquired an extra third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Murray and Mettenberger won't see the field this year. They will not be any competition for EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Apply for his job. People like you have *all* of the answers. Since Beerball would like us to keep it on topic, i will share. I was a working journalist for more than 20 years. In that time I've come to know that journalists -- sports and otherwise -- believe the following: 1) They speak for the every man. (Far from it.) 2) They always know more than you do. (They don't) 3) They speak the truth from a place on high. (Again,far from it) They believe the above "truths" allows them a free license to characterize, pontificate about and even denigrate individuals. But they themselves have unbelievably thin skins and cannot bear even slight criticisms of their work or ethics. Given the penchant of "modern" journalists to make themselves part of the story instead of remaining impartial (read: TG - EJ interview) he's blown his cover and has shown his bias against EJ. He's not a columnist, he's a reporter. And under point two of the above, like the rest of us, TG has precious little to judge EJ's future by. So all of my above reasoning was condensed by Mrags into a short sentence which I agreed with. And after three pages of posts, I have to say my support of Mrags characterization of Mr. Graham is one I'll stand by. As for EJ -- to early to say but I like his chances. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nix Buddy Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I heard Timmy on Cleveland radio when pettine was hired talking about the bills. he said he wasn't a fan of the bills as he wasn't from buffalo. I couldn't believe what I was hearing....send this phony out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Tim Graham is terrible. He is stirring the pot for nothing. All I remember about that guy is that he used to come here occasionally and got called out by someone and he quit the board. He couldn't take it for something. For a Media guy who can ask stupid questions can't take the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Since Beerball would like us to keep it on topic, i will share. I was a working journalist for more than 20 years. In that time I've come to know that journalists -- sports and otherwise -- believe the following: 1) They speak for the every man. (Far from it.) 2) They always know more than you do. (They don't) 3) They speak the truth from a place on high. (Again,far from it) They believe the above "truths" allows them a free license to characterize, pontificate about and even denigrate individuals. But they themselves have unbelievably thin skins and cannot bear even slight criticisms of their work or ethics. Given the penchant of "modern" journalists to make themselves part of the story instead of remaining impartial (read: TG - EJ interview) he's blown his cover and has shown his bias against EJ. He's not a columnist, he's a reporter. And under point two of the above, like the rest of us, TG has precious little to judge EJ's future by. So all of my above reasoning was condensed by Mrags into a short sentence which I agreed with. And after three pages of posts, I have to say my support of Mrags characterization of Mr. Graham is one I'll stand by. As for EJ -- to early to say but I like his chances. Go Bills! thank you. Again. Regardless of his familiarization with reporting, or journalism, he's still a POS Asshat. He speculates the same as anyone here or any other forum. Contributing to that. Your point about how the media doesn't always know more than us fans do. You couldn't be any more correct about that. For example, I listen to WGR, A LOT!!! Regardless how I or anyone else feels about them and their knowledge, I still love to hear sports and that's where to get it. They many times Receive their Insode information from guys like TG and other reporters like Jerry Sullivan or Paul Hamilton. And yet I consistently hear things here on TbD hours before I ever do on WGR. Just proves your point further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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