marauderswr80 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Honestly....us fans are in dire needs of a winning organization, that we have zero patience to wait and see if our rookie QB is the guy or not! Fact is...we do have enough talent to win, but we are being anchored down by the growing pains of a rookie QB. My fear is that when and if he gets it.. our main core of solid players won't be here anymore. But as a whole this teams hands were tied last year. I mean if they kept Fitz they lose many fans. I think our front office panicked and took a QB. I wish they would've just kept fitz one more year then snag a QB this 2014 draft. Cause I do think its a better draft for QBs then last years...by far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't think the Bills should pull the plug on EJ after season one but they need to have a viable "Plan B" for the 2014 beyond Tuel and Lewis. That plan might not be selecting another QB at #9 in round 1 but it should include taking a look at free agent veterans and determining which can be a clear upgrade in proven performance (not potential) over the current #2 and #3 QB's on the roster now. They can't go into the 2014 season banking on improvement from Manuel and if it doesn't materialize be faced with the prospect of accepting another 6-10 season. The defense should improve with a season of the new system under their belt and the likelihood of plugging in 1 or 2 upgrades to the starting lineup has the potential to be top 5 against run and pass. And on the other side of the ball addressing needs at WR, G, and TE (maybe OT) could solidfy this unit. And even if EJ improves to the point of just average it should be enough to post 3 or 4 more wins. But if he doesn't you better have somebody on the roster that can take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Brees didn't play his rookie year and then showed flashes for two years before blowing up. Manuel played his rookie year and didn't show much if anything. Your post is filled with lies. 1) It would be easier for a guy to sit for a year rather than play as rookie (after missing 2 weeks of his first NFL training camp). 2) Brees threw 28 tds, 31 ints, averaged about 6 ypa and went 2-9 his 2nd year as a starter. 3) You are just hating on EJ if you say he showed no flashes. The Carolina game. The Jets in a wind storm. Twice leading the Bills on game winning drives before fumbles against ATL. Playing nearly perfect after a terrible 1st quarter in Jax. Outplaying Brady and leaving the field with a lead against NE. Helping beat the defending SB champs. Yeah, Manuel showed nothing all year. Honestly....us fans are in dire needs of a winning organization, that we have zero patience to wait and see if our rookie QB is the guy or not! Fact is...we do have enough talent to win, but we are being anchored down by the growing pains of a rookie QB. My fear is that when and if he gets it.. our main core of solid players won't be here anymore. But as a whole this teams hands were tied last year. I mean if they kept Fitz they lose many fans. I think our front office panicked and took a QB. I wish they would've just kept fitz one more year then snag a QB this 2014 draft. Cause I do think its a better draft for QBs then last years...by far! EJ, Marrone, Whaley, Kiko, Woods, etc. have been here for one year. It has sucked to be a Bills fan. But putting all the blame on guys who weren't even born during the Bills' SB years is misguided. Also lack of patience is the reason most fans can't be GMs. Too emotional. Everything is the worst or the best. Players need to develop. It doesn't happen overnight. The key is to know when to cut the cord. A year is hardly the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Your post is filled with lies. 1) It would be easier for a guy to sit for a year rather than play as rookie (after missing 2 weeks of his first NFL training camp). 2) Brees threw 28 tds, 31 ints, averaged about 6 ypa and went 2-9 his 2nd year as a starter. 3) You are just hating on EJ if you say he showed no flashes. The Carolina game. The Jets in a wind storm. Twice leading the Bills on game winning drives before fumbles against ATL. Playing nearly perfect after a terrible 1st quarter in Jax. Outplaying Brady and leaving the field with a lead against NE. Helping beat the defending SB champs. Yeah, Manuel showed nothing all year. EJ, Marrone, Whaley, Kiko, Woods, etc. have been here for one year. It has sucked to be a Bills fan. But putting all the blame on guys who weren't even born during the Bills' SB years is misguided. Also lack of patience is the reason most fans can't be GMs. Too emotional. Everything is the worst or the best. Players need to develop. It doesn't happen overnight. The key is to know when to cut the cord. A year is hardly the time though. I agree with you. Its not that I'm putting blame on anyone...I just feel our patience has grown soo thin that we are unwilling to give players patience. Its just a bad feeling all in all. I really want to see EJ succeed, he's a damn good kid! In the end I just wanna win!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Manual showed he is capable of playing, but he was hurt three separate times this season. Not sure if he sat more the second two times because the season looked like it was not going to be a playoff season, but he did play without much preseason playing time. They need to consider taking another QB early, maybe round 2. Thad Lewis is not a capable number 2 QB, he fumbles way too much, 7 fumbles in 6 games played, he would have led the league by 5 fumbles if he played the whole season (league leader was Stafford with 12, although RG3 would have gave him a run for it, he had 11). Need a more consistent player there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 flashes of terrible interceptions all day long Brees was brutal to watch as a charger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Didn't Brees fall victim to the other little fellow, Flutie being a locker room parasite and making the locker room divisive in San Diego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I agree with you. Its not that I'm putting blame on anyone...I just feel our patience has grown soo thin that we are unwilling to give players patience. Its just a bad feeling all in all. I really want to see EJ succeed, he's a damn good kid! In the end I just wanna win!!! Yeah, we all do and it sucks. Ej has a ways to go but if the D holds the leads against CLE, ATL, and NE, does that change the way we think about him? Let's face it. Americans don't have patience in general. Every thing has to be instant. One of the things I loved about sports was seeing growth throughout a season. I used to win Most Improved Player (means I sucked and then got good). It's rewarding to see hard work play off. Everything we have heard about EJ is he is a great kid. Would there be anything better than EJ leading us to the playoffs next year and bumping the EJ is a bust threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Agree 100% with the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Yeah, we all do and it sucks. Ej has a ways to go but if the D holds the leads against CLE, ATL, and NE, does that change the way we think about him? Let's face it. Americans don't have patience in general. Every thing has to be instant. One of the things I loved about sports was seeing growth throughout a season. I used to win Most Improved Player (means I sucked and then got good). It's rewarding to see hard work play off. Everything we have heard about EJ is he is a great kid. Would there be anything better than EJ leading us to the playoffs next year and bumping the EJ is a bust threads? I know...his health was a major concern! Hey enjoy the new year man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I know...his health was a major concern! Hey enjoy the new year man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Buffalo Feet Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 As everyone else does, I wish EJ made it a full season and lit the league up. Instead well we got injuries and average but I don't see how EJ doesn't improve in year 2. With free agency and the draft we have to shore up the oline to keep him more comfortable in the pocket and get him a security blanket wether it be a stud receiver or TE...or both hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Examples of why we should throw in the towel on Manuel...now: Rob Johnson JP Losman Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick All guys who failed the eyeball test yet were given multiple seasons to retard our team's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I was hoping there would be a link for bionic knee research. I was disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Perfect example of why we shouldn't give on Manuel so soon is Drew Brees (I am not saying that Manuel is Drew Brees by any way, shape or form, but a comparison can be made). In recent years, there have been a lot of "NFL ready" quarterbacks coming out of college, but often times NFL QB's take years to develop. Take a look at Brees. His rookie year (late 2nd round pick), he only played 1 game which he didn't start, so let's use his 2nd season as effectively his rookie year. He started 16 games, went 8-8, hitting 60.8% of his passes, 17 TDs, 16 Ints and a passer rating of 76.9 The following season. he went 2-9, hitting 57.6% of his passes, 11TDs, 15 Ints and a passer rating of 67.5 Everyone in San Diego at this point basically threw in the towel and they drafted Philip Rivers. The following year, Brees goes on to b the Pro-bowl and has since been there 7 more times and may even be a HOF'er. Manuel's stats are not stellar by any means, but realistically not too far off of Brees's in his first year. 4-6, 58.8%, 11-9 and 77.7. The guy is 23, got thrown to wolves and had to deal with a series of non-serious knee injuries. Give him a full training camp and the keys to the car and see what he can do. Drew Brees owes his entire career to Sean Payton...the best coach in the league. Edited January 6, 2014 by SameOldBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Examples of why we should throw in the towel on Manuel...now: Rob Johnson JP Losman Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick All guys who failed the eyeball test yet were given multiple seasons to retard our team's development. i don't think ej has necessarily failed the eyeball test for a lot of people, i think he has failed the consistancy/healthy/dependable test. to me he has been equal parts good and bad. he has mad great throws, and really poor throws. made some good decisions and some really bad. shown the ability to stand and deliver while getting crushed by a 300+lb man, and looked rattled and panicky under percieved pressure. there are equal arguments to be made for and against, and plenty of examples to back up each side. bottom line is that ej's career to this point is all about interpretation, is the glass half full or half empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Perfect example of why we shouldn't give on Manuel so soon is Drew Brees (I am not saying that Manuel is Drew Brees by any way, shape or form, but a comparison can be made). In recent years, there have been a lot of "NFL ready" quarterbacks coming out of college, but often times NFL QB's take years to develop. Take a look at Brees. His rookie year (late 2nd round pick), he only played 1 game which he didn't start, so let's use his 2nd season as effectively his rookie year. He started 16 games, went 8-8, hitting 60.8% of his passes, 17 TDs, 16 Ints and a passer rating of 76.9 The following season. he went 2-9, hitting 57.6% of his passes, 11TDs, 15 Ints and a passer rating of 67.5 Everyone in San Diego at this point basically threw in the towel and they drafted Philip Rivers. The following year, Brees goes on to the Pro-bowl and has since been there 7 more times and may even be a HOF'er. Manuel's stats are not stellar by any means, but realistically not too far off of Brees's in his first year. 4-6, 58.8%, 11-9 and 77.7. The guy is 23, got thrown to wolves and had to deal with a series of non-serious knee injuries. Give him a full training camp and the keys to the car and see what he can do. This is exactly why we shouldn't draft a QB in the first round. Giving up on Manuel would be the same as drafting Mike Williams or Aaron Maybin. A waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Perfect example of why we shouldn't give on Manuel so soon is Drew Brees (I am not saying that Manuel is Drew Brees by any way, shape or form, but a comparison can be made). In recent years, there have been a lot of "NFL ready" quarterbacks coming out of college, but often times NFL QB's take years to develop. Take a look at Brees. His rookie year (late 2nd round pick), he only played 1 game which he didn't start, so let's use his 2nd season as effectively his rookie year. He started 16 games, went 8-8, hitting 60.8% of his passes, 17 TDs, 16 Ints and a passer rating of 76.9 The following season. he went 2-9, hitting 57.6% of his passes, 11TDs, 15 Ints and a passer rating of 67.5 Everyone in San Diego at this point basically threw in the towel and they drafted Philip Rivers. The following year, Brees goes on to the Pro-bowl and has since been there 7 more times and may even be a HOF'er. Manuel's stats are not stellar by any means, but realistically not too far off of Brees's in his first year. 4-6, 58.8%, 11-9 and 77.7. The guy is 23, got thrown to wolves and had to deal with a series of non-serious knee injuries. Give him a full training camp and the keys to the car and see what he can do. OTOH, Brees' and Manuel's collegiate stats are worlds apart. Manuel's issues are obvious and plagued him throughout four seasons, two of starting, at FSU. Otherwise, of all the QBs that started similarly, the vast majority never amount to anything. Comps like this are ridiculous. In Peyton Manning's first five games he threw 4 TDs and 12 INTs, so we might as well say that any QB that plays just as poorly in his first five starts can easily end up being as good as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I agree with the entire Op (minus the Brees comparisons). But what should be emphasized is his "3 non-serious" knew injuries. 3 knee injuries. In one year. That scares the bejeezus out of me. It doesn't scare you? The term "injury prone player" isn't a myth. At this point it's too soon to say, but he's not off to a good start durability wise. He could develop into a very good QB...but we should be drafting a QB somewhere in this draft or acquiring one via FA IMO Edited January 6, 2014 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't think the Bills should pull the plug on EJ after season one but they need to have a viable "Plan B" for the 2014 beyond Tuel and Lewis. . They can't go into the 2014 season banking on improvement from Manuel and if it doesn't materialize be faced with the prospect of accepting another 6-10 season. LOL Good one. Either you're joking or you became a Bills fan within the last few seasons. Words like "plan" or "planning," "vision," and "strategy" should never be used when discussing this team. Silly fan, don't you know that this organization never has a viable plan. Not since Polian was ..., LOL, fired by the braintrust of the team at the time, its owner. Think about that for a second, it would be like the Pats firing Belicheat right now, his having cheated aside. This same org has plans? ... I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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