KOKBILLS Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'm going to be a homer on this and say that Robey only grabbed the jersey after the WR pushed him. Exactly...On his way down to the turf, after being pushed, he clearly grabbed the WR...But only after...Plus...Like the announcers questioned, it's hard to imagine the Ref who threw the flag could have seen Robey's grab the way he was positioned...Maybe he did though...Still...I think that call goes back to the point made earlier on this week about the steady rise in Defensive PI percentage, in comparison to Offensive PI which has remained about the same...It's getting a bit ridiculous... I do find it funny though that an Atlanta DB got away with an obvious tug on Goodwin's shoulder earlier on when Goodwin clearly had a step and was targeted on a deep ball...The DB reaches out with both hands, pulls down on Goodwin's shoulder when he turned back to look for the ball, and that move clearly broke Goodwin's stride...That could have been 6 easy...There is no consistency...And that is the biggest problem IMHO... We've bitched about the refs for what…about 10 years? You get the calls when you are better. True...But in this case we're playing a 2-9 team...So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL95MelGrayDomination Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Robey grabbed the receiver's jersey. Ticky tack? Maybe, but one camera angle showed it clearly. It just ok to do this to Goodwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Could he have been talking about the ref on the field not a post game post film review explanation? I have no idea. I'm going by what was said above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Was just wondering, after reading the thread title, did the league give you a call and explanation yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'm going to be a homer on this and say that Robey only grabbed the jersey after the WR pushed him. Both players were being physical with one another and it is odd that this gets called at a time it does when much worse infractions do not at other times. I don't disagree, that's why I called it ticky tack. They were battling each other, but, when the ref sees the jersey suddenly pull away from the receiver's chest I'm not at all surprised at the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't disagree, that's why I called it ticky tack. They were battling each other, but, when the ref sees the jersey suddenly pull away from the receiver's chest I'm not at all surprised at the flag. There are definitely some things the refs key on that may draw a flag over what feels like a more blatant violation. Jerseys pulling, arm bars, etc.... over sometimes far more extreme jostling. I haven't watched a replay in this case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 this----^ Or the fact that when your better, a few small calls in the opponents favor don't equal losses. I guess that's what I was trying to say…. I can't remember 1 bad call between the years 1988 and 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webtoe Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I guess that's what I was trying to say…. I can't remember 1 bad call between the years 1988 and 1994. Facemask on Bruce against the Bengals (Easiason) in the 1988 AFC Championship game when he actually just had the front of the jersey. When your winning, you don't remember the bad calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 True...But in this case we're playing a 2-9 team...So... Looking for motive? Well I've got one for you. Both teams were either dead or close to it when it comes to the playoffs. The game was on a neutral site. 80% of the public bet on the Bills. Vegas set the line real low at first (-3) in order to reel in as many fish as possible. The spread moved to -4.5 by game time. The fix was in. And if you don't believe Vegas in concert with the NFL can fix games then I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Looking for motive? Well I've got one for you. Both teams were either dead or close to it when it comes to the playoffs. The game was on a neutral site. 80% of the public bet on the Bills. Vegas set the line real low at first (-3) in order to reel in as many fish as possible. The spread moved to -4.5 by game time. The fix was in. And if you don't believe Vegas in concert with the NFL can fix games then I don't know what to tell you. So I'll ask the same question I always do with these accusations- if you believe that, why watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Forget the Robey penalty, how about the decision to give them another third down, instead of forcing them to score on fourth down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The refs in the league can turn a game....I am a grey haired fan, and have watched for decades (original season ticket, still) I actually gave up watching the NFL for a year in the 80's because the officiating was so bad...but instant replay has helped some of that...and I was back pretty quickly. But, the officiating is again getting bad....there are calls in other games that are clearly as bad (or no calls, like the Tomlin deal last weekend) It seems to me that the officiating needs a quality control effort again to insure the credibility of the game. I watch Williams on that play...he (maybe unfortunately) did not touch anybody (even close) on that play. Thats OK, he has to play his position....and it was a phantom call. Was it somebod else with a similar or close number...? Maybe the Bills should not group the position numbers together....give some teens, one in the twenties, one in the thirties etc etc.Harder for the officials to mix up numbers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Marrone said in his press conference he was told it was on Williams, not a wrong number Williams literally wasn't within 5 yards of any Falcon player on that penalty call, WTF was the official looking at?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 We had plenty of opportunity to win the game even with the bad calls. We only have ourselves to blame. This ref B word fest every year is stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The refs in the league can turn a game....I am a grey haired fan, and have watched for decades (original season ticket, still) I actually gave up watching the NFL for a year in the 80's because the officiating was so bad...but instant replay has helped some of that...and I was back pretty quickly. But, the officiating is again getting bad....there are calls in other games that are clearly as bad (or no calls, like the Tomlin deal last weekend) It seems to me that the officiating needs a quality control effort again to insure the credibility of the game. I watch Williams on that play...he (maybe unfortunately) did not touch anybody (even close) on that play. Thats OK, he has to play his position....and it was a phantom call. Was it somebod else with a similar or close number...? Maybe the Bills should not group the position numbers together....give some teens, one in the twenties, one in the thirties etc etc.Harder for the officials to mix up numbers then. The only solution? Become good enough that a call here or a call there won't matter. Obviously in big games like Conference championship games and the Super Bowl the teams are usually evenly matched so this might still come into play, but there was no valid reason for us to lose to a struggling Falcon team after building a quick 14-0 lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I know this might slow down the game a bit... But why not allow coaches to challenge everything including penalties. Keep the same number of challenges (2) and keep the same rules regarding challenges. Refs often huddle and talk about a call, why not challenge them and make them look at it again, not just talk about it. I don't think you would get coaches throwing the challenge flag a whole lot more considering you wouldn't increase the amount of challenges. They'll still need to be smart about which ones they challenge. In a situation like the one that happened with the Bills or perhaps the one the happened on Monday night a couple weeks ago, those were calls or no calls that could decide the game. Why not make sure you get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 So I'll ask the same question I always do with these accusations- if you believe that, why watch? Just hoping our turn to benefit from the shadiness will come one day. We had plenty of opportunity to win the game even with the bad calls. We only have ourselves to blame. This ref B word fest every year is stale. True. I agree, the refs didn't cost us the game, but you gotta admit the NFL has it out for us. Far too many examples points towards that. Williams literally wasn't within 5 yards of any Falcon player on that penalty call, WTF was the official looking at?? I looked over the play on All 22. There shouldn't have been a call on anyone on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Williams literally wasn't within 5 yards of any Falcon player on that penalty call, WTF was the official looking at?? Yeah it's a truly bizarre call. And some posters here have reviewed the all 22 and there were no penalties on any Bills on that play, so it wasn't a wrong number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Just hoping our turn to benefit from the shadiness will come one day. and itll bring you happiness that the game was rigged in your favor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 You do realize, at some point, if you axe them for every bad call your going to start running out of the ones that are actually decent quickly. That's not to say there's no room for improvement but I also think, generally speaking, the best candidates are ending up in the nfl already. Plus, if we win, no one cares about that call like they do now. Monitoring and holding the worst Officials accountable by way of actual mistakes doesn't mean your axing them for every bad call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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