BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Bucs have won 3 in a row. Bills have yet to put 2 wins together. Their 2 previous losses were followed by losing streaks of 2 and 3 games.... remind me again who they played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 remind me again who they played? Or what they did the first 8 weeks of the season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Who are we rooting for in Jets vs. Dolphins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dascottbills28 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Who are we rooting for in Jets vs. Dolphins? Dolphins because we play them again and a win over them would tie us with them and give us the tiebreaker over them because we would have the season sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 It is amazing how things are shaping up for us to be in at 9-7, and how there are still reasonable possibilities at 8-8 without crazy upsets. That is pretty crazy for a team that needs to jump from #13 seed to #6 with so many teams in front of us. Getting to 8-7 will certainly make the final week exciting, and clearly the biggest thing is obviously getting to 5-7 in Toronto on Sunday. This week Miami over the Jets, Colts over the Titans, and Bengals over the Chargers are all we have to root for, with none of those being *key* games, and none of our desired results being upsets. I hope this thread is still going strong in 48 hours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I hope this thread is still going strong in 48 hours! Yes. Just give me a reason to stay more than casually interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Dolphins because we play them again and a win over them would tie us with them and give us the tiebreaker over them because we would have the season sweep. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Who are we rooting for in Jets vs. Dolphins? Must root for the Dolphins.... see below Edited November 30, 2013 by djp14150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Must root for the Dolphins.... why... If the Jets were to go 4-1......they have MIA OAK car CLE mia lose one to MIA---BUF has edge based on division record of 4-2 vs 3-3 of Jets lose to CLE ---BUF wins by better conference record. Jets go 4-0 against NFC vs Buffalo 3-1 lose to OAK-- JETS win by better common game. Jets go 0-2 against noncommon vs BUF go 1-1 thus Jets have better common of 9-5 vs 8-6 lose to CAR--- complicated---same common, same conference record, its decided by strength of schedule and strength of victory. Dolphins beat Jets...Buffalo wins out they are CERTAIN of 2nd place (better division record with Jets, season sweep of Dolphins) Then from there it can be a wild card based on other teams and divisions. The Jets are assured of being at best 3-3 in the conference while if Buffalo wins out they are 4-2--thus have the second tie breaker. Buffalo needs the Jets to lose one and it be the the dolphins. In order to earn a wild card Buffalo MUST finish in 2nd place as a first step. How does Buffalo fare outside the division.... BUF over Balt due to H2H win BUF lose to CIN, CLE, and PIT due to H2H loss BUF lose to TEN because of conference record at 9-7 BUF vs SD---its complicated--it depends on who SD loses to and end up 9-7. SD schedule is CIN, NYG,den, OAK, KC. Say SD goes 4-1... lose to Giants---SD has edge based on conference record. lose to OAK or DEN---common games to SD lose to KC or CIN---common games are same---strength of schedule, and then strength of victory. To close to call now. its easier to hope SD lose 2. so the ideal situation is BUF and BAL are tied at 9-7 with everyone else at 8-8 or worse. In summary for a wild card.... 1. BUF win out 2. Jets lose to MIA 3. have SD lose 2--they have a hard schedule playing all division opponets and CIN and NYG 4. have TEN lose 2---their next 3 games are tough @IND @DEN, AZ (hope they lose 2 of these--there final two are JAX and HOU) 5. have PIT lose 1---3 of last 4 at home against MIA, CLE, and CIN with road game at GB w/ rodgers likely playing in week 16. 6. have CLE lose 1 (*)--at NE in a few weeks 7. have BAL lose 1 (**) (*)--there are some scenarios where CLE could win out but not pass baltimore at 9-7 thus not factor in. Even if Baltimore wins out it may not matter only if... NE loses to either @HOU or CLE AND @ MIA...... then NE would be going into week 16 at 9-5 in week 16 its .. NE @ BAL MIA @ BUF If BAL beats NE and BUF wins then BUF @ NE turns into a winner take all for the division. They need NE to lose at MIA so then BUF would have the division edge of 4-2 vs 3-3. IF NE were to lose both HOU and CLE but beating MIA then it get complicated because NE and BUF would have split H2H, same division record, same common game record, same conference record, then it would come down to: strength of schedule, and then strength of victory. Strength of schedule is simplified to the noncommon games as the combined win total of: BUF: KC + JAX NE: DEN + HOU this will be close. strength of victory would come down to the combined win total of: BUF: NE, NYJ, MIA, MIA, BAL, CAR, TB, ATL, JAX NE: BUF, NYJ, MIA, IA, PIT, NO, TB, ATL, DEN simplifies to: BUF: BAL + CAR + JAX NE: PIT + NO + DEN i see NE having the edge here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 We'd better win this week or this 20 page thread will be as dead as a dodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KikO M G Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Must root for the Dolphins.... why... If the Jets were to go 4-1......they have MIA OAK car CLE mia lose one to MIA---BUF has edge based on division record of 4-2 vs 3-3 of Jets lose to CLE ---BUF wins by better conference record. Jets go 4-0 against NFC vs Buffalo 3-1 lose to OAK-- JETS win by better common game. Jets go 0-2 against noncommon vs BUF go 1-1 thus Jets have better common of 9-5 vs 8-6 lose to CAR--- complicated---same common, same conference record, its decided by strength of schedule and strength of victory. Dolphins beat Jets...Buffalo wins out they are CERTAIN of 2nd place (better division record with Jets, season sweep of Dolphins) Then from there it can be a wild card based on other teams and divisions. The Jets are assured of being at best 3-3 in the conference while if Buffalo wins out they are 4-2--thus have the second tie breaker. Buffalo needs the Jets to lose one and it be the the dolphins. In order to earn a wild card Buffalo MUST finish in 2nd place as a first step. How does Buffalo fare outside the division.... BUF over Balt due to H2H win BUF lose to CIN, CLE, and PIT due to H2H loss BUF lose to TEN because of conference record at 9-7 BUF vs SD---its complicated--it depends on who SD loses to and end up 9-7. SD schedule is CIN, NYG,den, OAK, KC. Say SD goes 4-1... lose to Giants---SD has edge based on conference record. lose to OAK or DEN---common games to SD lose to KC or CIN---common games are same---strength of schedule, and then strength of victory. To close to call now. its easier to hope SD lose 2. so the ideal situation is BUF and BAL are tied at 9-7 with everyone else at 8-8 or worse. In summary for a wild card.... 1. BUF win out 2. Jets lose to MIA 3. have SD lose 2--they have a hard schedule playing all division opponets and CIN and NYG 4. have TEN lose 2---their next 3 games are tough @IND @DEN, AZ (hope they lose 2 of these--there final two are JAX and HOU) 5. have PIT lose 1---3 of last 4 at home against MIA, CLE, and CIN with road game at GB w/ rodgers likely playing in week 16. 6. have CLE lose 1 (*)--at NE in a few weeks 7. have BAL lose 1 (**) (*)--there are some scenarios where CLE could win out but not pass baltimore at 9-7 thus not factor in. Even if Baltimore wins out it may not matter only if... NE loses to either @HOU or CLE AND @ MIA...... then NE would be going into week 16 at 9-5 in week 16 its .. NE @ BAL MIA @ BUF If BAL beats NE and BUF wins then BUF @ NE turns into a winner take all for the division. They need NE to lose at MIA so then BUF would have the division edge of 4-2 vs 3-3. IF NE were to lose both HOU and CLE but beating MIA then it get complicated because NE and BUF would have split H2H, same division record, same common game record, same conference record, then it would come down to: strength of schedule, and then strength of victory. Strength of schedule is simplified to the noncommon games as the combined win total of: BUF: KC + JAX NE: DEN + HOU this will be close. strength of victory would come down to the combined win total of: BUF: NE, NYJ, MIA, MIA, BAL, CAR, TB, ATL, JAX NE: BUF, NYJ, MIA, IA, PIT, NO, TB, ATL, DEN simplifies to: BUF: BAL + CAR + JAX NE: PIT + NO + DEN i see NE having the edge here. This is a very interesting and informative post but it also does a good job of quantifying just how unlikely it is that the Bills will make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 remind me again who they played? The 6-5 Lions IN Detroit. You know, the team who just destroyed the Packers 40-10 on Turkey day, and are now 7-5 Both Atlanta 41-28 & Miami 22-19 at Tampa. This week they are playing in Carolina against an 8-3 Panther team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 We'd better win this week or this 20 page thread will be as dead as a dodo. It'll swap to losing out for draft position. But if we win a week later it'll be 8-8 playoff scenarios again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The 6-5 Lions IN Detroit. You know, the team who just destroyed the Packers 40-10 on Turkey day, and are now 7-5 Both Atlanta 41-28 & Miami 22-19 at Tampa. This week they are playing in Carolina against an 8-3 Panther team. Of course, that win came after the ball literally went through the arms of Detroit's star receiver in the red zone and into the hands of the defender who was completely beat. I'm not saying Tampa didn't earn it (we won by picking off the Ravens five times) or that their recent streak isn't a bit disconcerting (it is) but apart from a flukey win last week, beating Miami or Atlanta doesn't seem all that impressive. I think a big part of their success is Glennon coming in with a "gunslinger mentality". You might recognize the phrase from when it was being used to describe Fitz every week. Some people might remember the 4-2 start Fitz gave the Bills before the heartbreaking crash back to Earth. Carolina will have three weeks of Glennon on tape. My prediction is they Cam Newton puts on a clinic of how to cream Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) if I have to I'd root for the Fish As of now the Bill are 8 spots out of the last WC spot. With a Win on Sunday they could rise 2 maybe 3 spots. Edited November 30, 2013 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 if I have to I'd root for the Fish The first time I ever rooted for the Fish, they killed John Lennon. 12/8/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The first time I ever rooted for the Fish, they killed John Lennon. 12/8/80 I heard Wings was Don Shula's idea, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Paul McCartney and Wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I heard Wings was Don Shula's idea, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 This is a very interesting and informative post but it also does a good job of quantifying just how unlikely it is that the Bills will make the playoffs. Actually it isnt...... What I am looking for is Buffalo to have control of their fate going into week 16. Buffalo goes 3-0...beating ATL, tb, jax. seems reasonable Jets need to lose one game, preferably against MIA (either this week, or week 17 works) 1. PIT need to lose 1...they play at GB with a healthy Aaron rodgers they arent beating the Packers with him playing. 2. CLE needs to lose 1...this week probably not--but next week at NE. 3. SD need to lose two...hosting CIN, Giants, Oakland, and KC and at Denver (week 15) seems difficult for them to go 4-1. 4. TEN needs to lose 2...at Indy and at Den, followed by hosting Arizona...they can easily lose 2. 5. Balt needs to lose one w/ 3 of final 4 on the road. very doable. In the next 3 weeks all of #1-5 happening are very reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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