Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ok, enough with the false choices and hyperbole. I don't think anyone is suggesting we had a choice between Hughes or Rogers. At one point we had and still could have both. Stevie is a good, solid, receiver. I don't think that's really being debated. Sometimes these things go off the rails, but again, did and still should have both Stevie and Da'Rick on the roster. Where are you getting this information that DR is addicted to weed and lazy? Honestly? Other than things he did years ago, there hasn't been any mention of him being a pothead or lazy. Someone heard, from their Aunt's neighbor's Grandma whose son cuts some players hair, that he was tokin' in training camp. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Someone heard, from their Aunt's neighbor's Grandma whose son cuts some players hair, that he was tokin' in training camp. Or something like that. He failed multiple drug tests and got kicked out if Tennessee. What more do you need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He failed multiple drug tests and got kicked out if Tennessee. What more do you need? Any indication he had touched the stuff in the last 18 months or so? I'll admit the team may know much more than we do on that front but to present it as fact that he still is doesn't see quite accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually there were several valid reasons why the ENTIRE BILLS ORGANIZATION decided to cut ties with Rogers when it did, based on how he performed this summer and what they thought was needed to turn him around in light of how they needed to build their imprint on the team vs the ongoing crusade over Colts 5th WR, who keeps moving up the line due to injuries. Where were these threads when Bills cut Derek Hagan who had a much more impressive college & pro career? You can make fun of Hogan or Easley, but they did contribute to the tewam this year, something that Rogers would not have. I don't even know why you go back to arguing it. Rogers would not have been activated had Colts WRs stayed healthy. Bills did not lose WRs for the season, so at best, Rogers would have remained on the PS. So why did your argument twist again on your crusade? If the argument is for next season, then Bills can get equivalent performance in later rounds. I don't see much difference between Rogers & Denarius Moore, who was taken in the 5th round. You also can't discount Kaufman, who clearly outplayed Rogers in the summer. It's easy to beat up on Hogan, but fact is that he contributed to the team, while Rogers would not have. 10 catches for 83 yards, a couple of drops and miserable ST play was contributing? That is how you contribute to a 6-10 team. Derek Hagan was a great college player but he was slow. I think that he ran like a 4.6 at the combine. He could not get seperation in the NFL. In regards to Kaufman, I would have loved them to give him a shot. I thought that his frame offered something that the Bills were missing. If Rogers averages about 60 catches, 800 yards and 7 TDs a season it is a huge mistake. I think that those are what his numbers will be based on his performance and the increased role that the Colts fans seem to expect to see. I believe that he already has more catches, yards and TDs than CH will have in his career. One will average around 60 catches a year and the other will be out of the league. It was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) 10 catches for 83 yards, a couple of drops and miserable ST play was contributing? That is how you contribute to a 6-10 team. Derek Hagan was a great college player but he was slow. I think that he ran like a 4.6 at the combine. He could not get seperation in the NFL. In regards to Kaufman, I would have loved them to give him a shot. I thought that his frame offered something that the Bills were missing. If Rogers averages about 60 catches, 800 yards and 7 TDs a season it is a huge mistake. I think that those are what his numbers will be based on his performance and the increased role that the Colts fans seem to expect to see. I believe that he already has more catches, yards and TDs than CH will have in his career. One will average around 60 catches a year and the other will be out of the league. It was a mistake. 10 catches for 83 yards is a bigger contribution than zero, which is what Rogers would have contributed this year. Don't conflate the arguments. No one is saying that Hogan has a higher career ceiling than Rogers. That would be insane. But it's also easy (for many) to see why the Bills organization, at that point in time, chose Hogan over Rogers. it was the right decision at the time it was made. Edited January 7, 2014 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) 10 catches for 83 yards is a bigger contribution than zero, which is what Rogers would have contributed this year. Don't conflate the arguments. No one is saying that Hogan has a higher career ceiling than Rogers. That would be insane. But it's also easy (for many) to see why the Bills organization, at that point in time, chose Hogan over Rogers. it was the right decision at the time it was made. Fair enough. That's just where we disagree. At the time I thought that it was a mistake and as time goes on how big of a mistake it was will only continue to grow. I thought that they should have kept him on the active roster for 1 season. I was worried that if they tried to PS him someone would have grabbed him. If he didn't develop and mature you could cut him loose in the offseason. IMO, they didn't have a viable alternative that they needed the spot for. I felt like it was a free look at a talented player in a position of need. Edited January 7, 2014 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I guess the problem here is that the Bills set very high expectations for Rogers coming off a season in D3 college football where he probably ran 1-2 routes tops and played against inferior opponents. There should of been more patients with DR, considering where he came from. Idk what the hell Marrone was thinking. We had the right idea but obviously the wrong approach. To qoute the great Mike Mayock this kid is like a piece of clay and needs to be molded over time. I believe he said that bout EJ when we drafted him but the same thing should of applied to the Young Unpolished DR.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He failed multiple drug tests and got kicked out if Tennessee. What more do you need? He has not had a positive drug test in almost 2 years from what I can tell...He was 20 years old when he messed up at Tennessee...By all accounts the pot smoking is a complete non issue now...It usually leaks out if a player like Rogers tests positive anywhere along the line...No such leaks that I can find...Don't get me wrong...Rogers had massive maturity issues at Tennessee...But by most accounts he has done nothing but mature since that situation...He's still just a kid...Kids make mistakes...But I think if you look at it objectively Rogers is a kid that could have completely thrown it all away...Instead he straightened up enough to play in the NFL...He's obviously not a finished product...But he certainly seems to be moving in the right direction... I guess the problem here is that the Bills set very high expectations for Rogers coming off a season in D3 college football where he probably ran 1-2 routes tops and played against inferior opponents. There should of been more patients with DR, considering where he came from. Idk what the hell Marrone was thinking. We had the right idea but obviously the wrong approach. To qoute the great Mike Mayock this kid is like a piece of clay and needs to be molded over time. I believe he said that bout EJ when we drafted him but the same thing should of applied to the Young Unpolished DR.. Totally agree with this take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 IMHO Marrone pitched DR to establish his own authority in the locker room. It's part of the culture change that's underway, and it might have been a high price to pay but it had to be paid. If DR came around as a rookie next year, now that Marrone is firmly in control, he might have kept him and worked on the molding clay business. As it is, we gave up DR plus Tashard Choice to the Colts for nothing, but they along with Kelvin Sheppard are still not as good as Jerry Hughes all by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 10 catches for 83 yards is a bigger contribution than zero, which is what Rogers would have contributed this year. Don't conflate the arguments. No one is saying that Hogan has a higher career ceiling than Rogers. That would be insane. But it's also easy (for many) to see why the Bills organization, at that point in time, chose Hogan over Rogers. it was the right decision at the time it was made. It's a matter of perspective... If you agree with Marrone, the way he decided to build this roster, and the decision he made than fine...It was the right decision... If you believe that a 6-10 team that was...at least at times...in desperate need of play-makers at the WR position...And is still in desperate need of playmakers at the WR position, so much so that the odds on favorite for their #1 pick in the upcoming Draft is a WR...Then I doubt you can assume it was the right decision... I'm not even saying I know that it was the wrong decision long-term...But I am saying that right now It's no where near cut and dry...Not even close IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Watch for Rogers to light up the Pats soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It's a matter of perspective... If you agree with Marrone, the way he decided to build this roster, and the decision he made than fine...It was the right decision... If you believe that a 6-10 team that was...at least at times...in desperate need of play-makers at the WR position...And is still in desperate need of playmakers at the WR position, so much so that the odds on favorite for their #1 pick in the upcoming Draft is a WR...Then I doubt you can assume it was the right decision... I'm not even saying I know that it was the wrong decision long-term...But I am saying that right now It's no where near cut and dry...Not even close IMHO... See the post above and my prior comments on the theory why Marrone let Rogers go. It was a bigger issue than waiting for Rogers' talent to emerge. Marrone & rest of the coaches obviously felt the risk vs reward weren't there in their juncture with the organization. Blame timing on this stroke of bad luck. I'm highly confident that if Rogers was in Bills' camp last year, Gailey would have extended a longer leash, just like if Rogers was in camp in 2014, Marrone would also have a different outlook. I don't blame Marrone for having a lot more priorities in building his first roster than worrying what to do with a talented but UDFA WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ah Bills fans. Let's trash the 7th rounder pick who worked his way up to 3 straight 1,000 yards seasons and praise the lazy, undrafted FA who can't stop smoking weed. Or maybe I'm trashing Marrone and co for letting go of Rogers while we have big questions at WR. Nah. That'd make too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nope. Even if they land Sammy Watkins DR should probably be on the roster anyway because there are 2 or 3 guys who have no business being there. No question DR is a very raw prospect and there is no guarantee he will amount to anything. But it is also clear that he is loaded with talent and that he is trying to make a go of it. When he cut him Marrone acknowledged DRs talent but said he was looking for immediate production and not down the road. We'll he didn't get that production from CJ, Easley, Hogan and Kauffman (who was let go after DR). I guess we are just not in the business of developing raw talent (tho I thought that's what coaches are supposed to do). Oh wait! EJ is as raw as they come. While DR prolly had late first or early second round talent, EJ would almost certainly go third or later if he was in this years draft. But EJ aced the interview process. He's a good boy and we like him. Ok, but that does not win many football games. One may wonder why so lengthy a thread is dedicated to a raw prospect and a head case. The reason is that it has little to do with DR, who is gone for good. It had to do with Marrone who is still here. I wish I had some way of starting a slow clap. This post is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 See the post above and my prior comments on the theory why Marrone let Rogers go. It was a bigger issue than waiting for Rogers' talent to emerge. Marrone & rest of the coaches obviously felt the risk vs reward weren't there in their juncture with the organization. Blame timing on this stroke of bad luck. I'm highly confident that if Rogers was in Bills' camp last year, Gailey would have extended a longer leash, just like if Rogers was in camp in 2014, Marrone would also have a different outlook. I don't blame Marrone for having a lot more priorities in building his first roster than worrying what to do with a talented but UDFA WR. Both you and KOKBILLS bring some sanity back to the table. Thank you . I wish Da'rick the best of luck. I am glad he has the opportunity and makes the most of it. i will be looking for him in the game. I also am looking forward to our Bills solving the Nix question this off season. Open when he isnt . Watch for Rogers to light up the Pats soon. I will be watching the game for sure I wish I had some way of starting a slow clap. This post is excellent. I wholly disagree. Or maybe I'm trashing Marrone and co for letting go of Rogers while we have big questions at WR. Nah. That'd make too much sense. The WR' were ALL questions at the beginning of the training camp besides Stevie . as were the QB's. Blaming Marrone for such a small error is overblowing the matter altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He failed multiple drug tests and got kicked out if Tennessee. What more do you need? Golden seal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 He failed multiple drug tests and got kicked out if Tennessee. What more do you need? Well, kids do dumb things. Some of them learn and grow up and stop doing dumb things. So, maybe evidence that DR is one who hasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 i doubt there are fans of any other team that could devote almost 50 pages of arguments to how we screwed the pooch on a UDFA, that no team - including the one he's playing for - thought enough of, to draft in the first place.. this place should have it's own reality show.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I wholly disagree. Failure to succumb to peer pressure is highly frowned upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 i doubt there are fans of any other team that could devote almost 50 pages of arguments to how we screwed the pooch on a UDFA, that no team - including the one he's playing for - thought enough of, to draft in the first place.. this place should have it's own reality show.. You must not be familiar with the origin of the word fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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