\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/jets-rookie-nfl-panders-to-tom-brady/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 That's about right. Even if they get some flags I hope they go after Brady and hit him hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 WOW! JUST WOW! (That is for you Rob... ;-P ) Good for him... Somebody finally w/the Kikos to tell the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 WOW! JUST WOW! (That is for you Rob... ;-P ) Good for him... Somebody finally w/the Kikos to tell the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Please god save tommy terrific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Kick Flutie Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/sorry-Michael-Vick-NFL-referees-do-not-play-favorites-092911 Lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Just messing w/you... LoL! That expression is starting to piss me off too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://msn.foxsports...avorites-092911 Lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument. Yep, because QBs get hit EVERY play. The list is useless because it suggests that every pass attempt involves contact. If there was a REAL article about how many flags thrown after any type of QB contact, Brady would be top of the list. And would contradict the premise of the aforementioned article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Kick Flutie Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yep, because QBs get hit EVERY play. The list is useless because it suggests that every pass attempt involves contact. If there was a REAL article about how many flags thrown after any type of QB contact, Brady would be top of the list. And would contradict the premise of the aforementioned article logic states that if he was getting more roughing the passer calls for him on hits he'd have more total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://msn.foxsports...avorites-092911 Lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument. That article bases the entire argument on one stat only, actual number of flags thrown for roughing the passer. So much more goes into it, such as calling or not calling holding calls on the offensive line. If say Brady's and Peyton's lines are allowed to hold more, give illegal shots to the face and helmet, and generally get away with more, then fewer defenders are going to be getting to the QB on a consistent basis, therefore the lower the oportunities to get a roughing the passer call. So, that stat does not even come close to telling the full story of the gripes about protecting star QBs (particularly Brady). As the Jets player said, you can't ignore that the NFL did instate the below the knee rule right after Brady is out for a season due to a knee injury. And yet when Wilfork nailed JP in the knee on purpose, he doesn't even get a flag. I stopped watching the NBA about 10 years ago because of the star treatment and unbalanced calls. And I hate seeing the NFL go in that direction, but it does look that way despite the apologists. I think for the most part the officiating in the NFL is pretty good, even in most Bills games. But one or two calls a game can make a huge difference in a game or season. Say a star team is down in the 4th quarter, they have a 3rd down that if they don't convert they may lose. A lineman gets away with a blatant hold that the announcers don't even comment on and the QB completes an 11 yard pass to continue the drive. They may not score and still lose the game, but they're given that one extra opportunity. Even one missed or bogus call a game or every other game over the course of a season may allow a team to pull out a few extra wins. You can see that type of thing every Sunday, especially for the star QBs and star teams. It's not blatant, but its pervasive. No doubt those guys (Brady/Manning types) win because they're damn good and future HOFs but they and they're teams definitely get the benefit of the doubt more often than other teams/players. And they do get more protection than non-household name QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Kick Flutie Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 That article bases the entire argument on one stat only, actual number of flags thrown for roughing the passer. So much more goes into it, such as calling or not calling holding calls on the offensive line. If say Brady's and Peyton's lines are allowed to hold more, give illegal shots to the face and helmet, and generally get away with more, then fewer defenders are going to be getting to the QB on a consistent basis, therefore the lower the oportunities to get a roughing the passer call. So, that stat does not even come close to telling the full story of the gripes about protecting star QBs (particularly Brady). As the Jets player said, you can't ignore that the NFL did instate the below the knee rule right after Brady is out for a season due to a knee injury. And yet when Wilfork nailed JP in the knee on purpose, he doesn't even get a flag. I stopped watching the NBA about 10 years ago because of the star treatment and unbalanced calls. And I hate seeing the NFL go in that direction, but it does look that way despite the apologists. I think for the most part the officiating in the NFL is pretty good, even in most Bills games. But one or two calls a game can make a huge difference in a game or season. Say a star team is down in the 4th quarter, they have a 3rd down that if they don't convert they may lose. A lineman gets away with a blatant hold that the announcers don't even comment on and the QB completes an 11 yard pass to continue the drive. They may not score and still lose the game, but they're given that one extra opportunity. Even one missed or bogus call a game or every other game over the course of a season may allow a team to pull out a few extra wins. You can see that type of thing every Sunday, especially for the star QBs and star teams. It's not blatant, but its pervasive. No doubt those guys (Brady/Manning types) win because they're damn good and future HOFs but they and they're teams definitely get the benefit of the doubt more often than other teams/players. And they do get more protection than non-household name QBs. Oh, you mean the Carson Palmer rule? BTW I stopped reading at the bold, you can't argue with somebody who can't get simple facts right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) I saw the article that said Brady is a ref favorite. And IMHO he's right. “You’re going to see a lot of stuff, man, that the Patriots can do to you, that they get away with, that we can’t do to the Patriots. It’s just the way it is.” People have even posted the pictures of uncalled penalties on the putz Tuck rule, Knee rule, hot wife rule Edited October 19, 2013 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://nypost.com/20...s-to-tom-brady/ Love the picture. I think it's a No Brainer that if Tom Brady had taken the hit EJ Manuel did and the player did and said what he did afterwards, it would have been a taunting penalty for sure, maybe even an unnecessary roughness and an ejection. Of course, Brady would start sliding when the defender was 10 yds away, so the point is kinda moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 The best part of that OP was the comments section. I didn't know there could be that many Spagnola brothers around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2013/10/13/4835644/saints-patriots-2013-referees-holding-tom-brady-junior-galette Check out the video of the blatant textbook hold by the Cheats* that wasn't called last week on the Brady TD. One of many similar we've all seen over the years.... BTW--I'd love to hear Drop Kick's excuse for that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 http://msn.foxsports...avorites-092911 Lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument. His argumant is about the Pats team, not about Brady getting the roughing calls........“You’re going to see a lot of stuff, man, that the Patriots can do to you, that they get away with, that we can’t do to the Patriots. It’s just the way it is.” and I think he's right...watch the Bills season opener and watch their line get away with holding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalfan Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) http://msn.foxsports...avorites-092911 Lets not let facts get in the way of a good argument. So Brady and Manning are not protected by refs because they are getting fewer roughing the passer calls? Or they are getting fewer roughing the passer calls because they are being protected by the refs? Everyone feels free to hit Campbell because the refs don't care if someone kills him....so he gets hit 10 times more frequently.....resulting in 10 times the number of roughing the passer calls. If the refs were not biased, the number of hits resulting in roughing the passer should be pretty much the same across all quarterbacks. But clearly, the data presented by the author is misleading....who cares how many roughing the passer calls get called for every one hundred passes. How about the real deal...how many roughing the passer calls get called per 100 quarterback hits. From my view point the author is an idiot, doesn't know what data to look at, and can not even clearly interpret the data he does look at. Edited October 19, 2013 by socalfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I just want to call dibbz on this being my avatar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 ... Somebody finally w/the Kikos to tell the truth! I like that one! I just want to call dibbz on this being my avatar... I have dibs on everything......but you can have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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