billsfan_34 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Why does it matter? T jax has been bounced around and has stunk it up. We were just dumb enough to waste a 7th. Manuel will be the starter day 1, kolb back up and then the 3 will be truel or someone else but truel has no impact on decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The other thing is: Why the F do we have to have a guy named "Tool" on the team? What is it with Buffalo, that we always have to have some practically irrelevant thing, that other fans use to make fun of us? I had to listen to Jet fans in particular, none of whom probably passed 10th grade English...get to make the Loss Man joke. Why do our teams seem to have a side business, that is making the modern moron seem witty? But, this is nuanced, to be sure. For example, I see the wisdom in having a LB named Butt Kiss. You want a guy who is angry. Angry at being called Butt Kiss his whole life, and left slightly crazed by it, playing LB. You want a guy who is going to hit everything he sees, hard, as a result. But at QB, I don't see how anger helps. Confidence is the key, and being the Loss Man or the Tool...doesn't inspire much confidence. (Incidentally, I was at this charity event a long time ago, half hammered as per normal, and Dick Butkus was there. Thankfully, one of my co-workers stopped my curiosity from getting the better of me, so I didn't ask him what growing up as Butt Kiss was like. However, to this day, I still want to know. It's not that I can't figure it out, I just want to hear his take on it. That, and I want to get him to say Butt Kiss, because I think that would be hilarious.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Only Bills fans can fall in love with guys who will never play the game. I don't think the Bills fans ever fell in love with TJ....It is one of the most bizarre moves made by Chan and Nix, especially that allowed them to keep Tyler Thigpen as the backup. They simply made a complicated decision in which TJ actually will not throw a single pass in the regular season in a Bills Unfiorm. Why does it matter? T jax has been bounced around and has stunk it up. We were just dumb enough to waste a 7th. Manuel will be the starter day 1, kolb back up and then the 3 will be truel or someone else but truel has no impact on decisions Disagree. May be Tuel showed enough to this coaching staff during OTA/Mini-camp that they felt comfortable being the 3rd string QB. May be they feel Tuel can play the game if the other two get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I don't think the Bills fans ever fell in love with TJ....It is one of the most bizarre moves made by Chan and Nix, especially that allowed them to keep Tyler Thigpen as the backup. They simply made a complicated decision in which TJ actually will not throw a single pass in the regular season in a Bills Unfiorm. Disagree. May be Tuel showed enough to this coaching staff during OTA/Mini-camp that they felt comfortable being the 3rd string QB. May be they feel Tuel can play the game if the other two get injured. Valid points im reslectfully leaning more towards tjax simply stinking it up as he always has. Im just a firm believer trends dont lie and in this case tjax has set a trend in the nfl as bein inadequate on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 Why does it matter? T jax has been bounced around and has stunk it up. We were just dumb enough to waste a 7th. Manuel will be the starter day 1, kolb back up and then the 3 will be truel or someone else but truel has no impact on decisions Every coaching staff is interested not only in developing starters but also backups that can perform well when starters are injured. That's why it matters. If Tuel (not truel) shows indications that he has the telent to not only back up but to effectively start, it matters greatly. Everyone knows that Manuel is being developed to be the starter. It may have been that they have little doubt that he will do well. If so, what drives a staff's decision regarding who will be backup? Easy answer if you think about it. It's the player that has the most upside, talent, best future, most promise. Call it what you want. That may have been the reason why Jackson was released in favor of Tuel more so than what the coaches feel about Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Every coaching staff is interested not only in developing starters but also backups that can perform well when starters are injured. That's why it matters. If Tuel (not truel) shows indications that he has the telent to not only back up but to effectively start, it matters greatly. Everyone knows that Manuel is being developed to be the starter. It may have been that they have little doubt that he will do well. If so, what drives a staff's decision regarding who will be backup? Easy answer if you think about it. It's the player that has the most upside, talent, best future, most promise. Call it what you want. That may have been the reason why Jackson was released in favor of Tuel more so than what the coaches feel about Manuel. And your the only beating the "he's a starter" drum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 And your the only beating the "he's a starter" drum ????? I don't think so. I'm beating the, it may be that the staff preferred Tuel over Jackson as the primary reason for Jackson's release, drum. Why is that so difficult for some to understand? Many think Jackson's release was primarily to give Manuel more reps. It may be that the staff always intended to do that regardless of who was second or third string. I'm just saying - oh, forget it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 He costs less money. /end thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 ????? I don't think so. I'm beating the, it may be that the staff preferred Tuel over Jackson as the primary reason for Jackson's release, drum. Why is that so difficult for some to understand? Many think Jackson's release was primarily to give Manuel more reps. It may be that the staff always intended to do that regardless of who was second or third string. I'm just saying - oh, forget it! I'm in that small minority that agrees that Tuel's encouraging performance so far may have played a small part in the decision to release TJax. I don't think it was the primary reason though. By a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I'm in that small minority that agrees that Tuel's encouraging performance so far may have played a small part in the decision to release TJax. I don't think it was the primary reason though. By a long shot. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Why does it matter? T jax has been bounced around and has stunk it up. We were just dumb enough to waste a 7th. Manuel will be the starter day 1, kolb back up and then the 3 will be truel or someone else but truel has no impact on decisions The opinions on this board regarding EJ Manuel are a testament to our fans’ optimism, short-term memory, and willingness to rewrite, and if necessary, completely ignore history. Before we easily traded down to acquire Manuel, he was generally considered to be around the fourth or fifth best QB in a remarkably weak QB class. Just about any description of him, pre-draft, included the words, “inconsistent,” and “project.” What’s really amazing to me is that the majority of Bills fans seem to have completely written off the season opener against the Pats. But, I have a hard time believing that Coach Marrone feels the same way. And, I have a hard time believing that a new coach with zero NFL HC experience, and a new staff is going to throw a rookie “project” into the mix against division rivals, the NE patriots. Could EJ explode in the preseason and turn into a genuine NFL starter with a better chance of beating the Pats than Kolb? I suppose. Is it likely? I doubt it. And, what is the potential damage to a “project” QB that we all hope is the future of the franchise if he is thrown into the fire before he is ready? Start Kolb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 OK Carnack. Have it your way. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but seems to me that once a team selects it's 53 man roster, other teams can claim whatever player remains. That is why the team has to wait 24 hrs. or so before signing players to it's practice squad. If Tuel performs well I don't think Buffalo will risk that. I'm feeling a flashback to the Levi Brown signing. As I recall fans here were all up about Brown being too valuable to expose to waivers. As I recall he was cut outright - not even signed to the practice squad - and enjoyed several weeks at home before being eventually brought onto the PS. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but UDFA QB are not generally prime articles to snatch up right before the start of the season. If you're short a QB 'cuz someone gets injured right before the start of season you're typically looking for a proven vet who can come in and keep the team in the game until the starter gets back, not a UDFA rook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 The opinions on this board regarding EJ Manuel are a testament to our fans’ optimism, short-term memory, and willingness to rewrite, and if necessary, completely ignore history. Before we easily traded down to acquire Manuel, he was generally considered to be around the fourth or fifth best QB in a remarkably weak QB class. Just about any description of him, pre-draft, included the words, “inconsistent,” and “project.” What’s really amazing to me is that the majority of Bills fans seem to have completely written off the season opener against the Pats. But, I have a hard time believing that Coach Marrone feels the same way. And, I have a hard time believing that a new coach with zero NFL HC experience, and a new staff is going to throw a rookie “project” into the mix against division rivals, the NE patriots. Could EJ explode in the preseason and turn into a genuine NFL starter with a better chance of beating the Pats than Kolb? I suppose. Is it likely? I doubt it. And, what is the potential damage to a “project” QB that we all hope is the future of the franchise if he is thrown into the fire before he is ready? Start Kolb. What you don't understand is history means nothing with players. Everyone is different and all it takes is one guy to turn your franchise around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Just about any description of him, pre-draft, included the words, “inconsistent,” This is the thing that bothers me about the EJ pick. The “inconsistent” part. I know, 68% completion %. I've watched several game of his and he also has problem accurately throwing the long ball. Didn't we just run a QB out of town who was “inconsistent”and had problems throwing the long ball? I like the kid and am rooting for him big time. But this does give me concern. Edited June 17, 2013 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 This is the thing that bothers me about the EJ pick. The “inconsistent” part. I know, 68% completion %. I've watched several game of his and he also has problem accurately throwing the long ball. Didn't we just run a QB out of town who was “inconsistent”and had problems throwing the long ball? I like the kid and am rooting for him big time. But this does give me concern. Fitz was uncoachable and had reached his limit. His % of inconsistency was not going to change. EJ is just beginning his career and has good scope for improvement under the right guidance. Fitz was done, EJ has the potential to become a consistent thrower. That is the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Every coaching staff is interested not only in developing starters but also backups that can perform well when starters are injured. That's why it matters. If Tuel (not truel) shows indications that he has the telent to not only back up but to effectively start, it matters greatly. Everyone knows that Manuel is being developed to be the starter. It may have been that they have little doubt that he will do well. If so, what drives a staff's decision regarding who will be backup? Easy answer if you think about it. It's the player that has the most upside, talent, best future, most promise. Call it what you want. That may have been the reason why Jackson was released in favor of Tuel more so than what the coaches feel about Manuel. Tuel is probably a practice squad player when we have future cut-downs. I'm sure the team has been fairly happy with him, but Manuel and Kolb's progress is almost certainly the reason Tarvaris Jackson was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 OH MY GOD! You don't think Tuel's play is now going to make EJ expendable, do you? yes. it will be a Tuel vs. jamarcus russel super bowl this year, bills lose of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 This is the thing that bothers me about the EJ pick. The “inconsistent” part. I know, 68% completion %. I've watched several game of his and he also has problem accurately throwing the long ball. Didn't we just run a QB out of town who was “inconsistent”and had problems throwing the long ball? I like the kid and am rooting for him big time. But this does give me concern. EJ has trouble with long ball consistency? That's not what I've seen or read. Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 This is the thing that bothers me about the EJ pick. The “inconsistent” part. I know, 68% completion %. I've watched several game of his and he also has problem accurately throwing the long ball. Didn't we just run a QB out of town who was “inconsistent”and had problems throwing the long ball? I like the kid and am rooting for him big time. But this does give me concern. Didn't Manuel have the best percentage of completion numbers of any of the top ranked QB candidates in this past draft? Didn't he also have the best yards per completion numbers? There are flaws to his game and he may not start vs, New England but the scouting staff felt he had the best potential for greatness of any of the candidates. I think they will take the approach with Manuel that Gailey took with Glenn; i.e., give him lots of reps meaning as many reps as Kolb and if he looks better than Kolb, more reps than Kolb. From what I have been hearing, both Manuel and Kold have been throwing interceptions in training but Kolb has trouble with rushers closing around him. Whereas Manual has a better pocket awareness and escapability. If everything else is relatively equal, that factor could make Manuel the starter on day one. If he is, I'm certain the coaches will give him a limited package to work with but the chance is there that he will start. Tuel is probably a practice squad player when we have future cut-downs. I'm sure the team has been fairly happy with him, but Manuel and Kolb's progress is almost certainly the reason Tarvaris Jackson was cut. The ugly truth about this team is that, although there are 53 roster players, Buffalo does not have 53 quality players to fill those roster positions. This, actually, is true of most team. Teams carry a certain amount of borderline players to have a body in case someone gets injurred but if it came down to retaining one of those borderline players over a young QB that looks like he can be developed into a very good player, they will not choose that borderline player over that QB candidate for that last roster spot. That would be plainly stupid. Coaches just don't look at this comming year. They also look at next year and beyond. Belichick, for example, selected Mallett in the 3rd round a few years ago even though he had Brady in his prime and two other QBs on his roster. He retained Mallett and everyone is wondering if he will keep him or trade him. Rumor has it that Brady wants to play 4 more years and Belichick is looking for a second round pick for Mallett. So he turns a third into a second. Someone will likely take that trade although no one has seen Mallett enough in pre-season to get much of an idea if he can play. I can't stand that santimonious, egotistical jerk but have to admit he knows how to play this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) This is the thing that bothers me about the EJ pick. The “inconsistent” part. I know, 68% completion %. I've watched several game of his and he also has problem accurately throwing the long ball. Didn't we just run a QB out of town who was “inconsistent”and had problems throwing the long ball? I like the kid and am rooting for him big time. But this does give me concern. I have watched the kid throw in OTAs, and he has nearly flawless QB form. He is the exact opposite of FItz in that aspect, especially when it comes to release and the spin on the ball. Thus, I am near being absolutely convinced that this "consistency" thing, for a guy with 68% completion , and "long ball accuracy", when we've seen him throw 80 yard TDs, over and over already , and, "he was only accurate because he threw a lot of short passes", for a guy who averaged 8.9 yards per throw? Nothing more than leftover pieces of draft disinformation. Most likely draft disinformation that was spread by the Bills themselves. Now, it's disinformation that is still out there, and some people have latched onto it. The Bills aren't interested in running around correcting anybody, because that would only prove what they knew and how, and therefore stands to get them busted as being the spreaders of draft manure. There was one radio show where some media person called the Bills out on this and said "we will never trust them again". I fail to see the downside for the Bills in that. Especially 2 weeks prior to the draft, when instead of trusting what the Bills say, the media chooses to engage in their own speculation....talk about disinformation. Consider: they did the exact same thing with Cordy Glenn last year, and not only did it work, they admitted to it right after: "Hell no, he's not a guard. People were saying it because we were saying it. A lot of that was us." Edited June 17, 2013 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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