pkwwjd Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is my frustration with the attitudes around TSW for the past year or so. I kinda tired of the constant "Look at me, I know more than anyone else when it comes to football". That is the problem with the DB/JPL situation -- on both sides. It was the problem with the TH/WM difficulties. When the guy is ready to play, the intelligent, football knowing people who want the Bills to succeed will make that decision. You guys are trying to micromanage the Bills organization more than most people do in relationship to the job that the President does -- and that's not an exaggeration, as unbelievable as it may sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is my frustration with the attitudes around TSW for the past year or so. I kinda tired of the constant "Look at me, I know more than anyone else when it comes to football". That is the problem with the DB/JPL situation -- on both sides. It was the problem with the TH/WM difficulties. When the guy is ready to play, the intelligent, football knowing people who want the Bills to succeed will make that decision. You guys are trying to micromanage the Bills organization more than most people do in relationship to the job that the President does -- and that's not an exaggeration, as unbelievable as it may sound. 194013[/snapback] Dude. They have those jobs for a reason. We are fans. We discuss. How it works on a message board. God, I hate these kind of threads. We get it. We'll just stop talking altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Dude. They have those jobs for a reason. We are fans. We discuss. How it works on a message board. God, I hate these kind of threads. We get it. We'll just stop talking altogether. 194029[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Where's the "I can beat any team 99-0 in expert mode on Madden 2005 with the Buffalo Bills team that I put together, so that makes me an expert GM and coach" crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soljc Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 If I achieved the same level of mediocrity in my job as TD has achieved with the Bills in 3 years, I'd be looking for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is my frustration with the attitudes around TSW for the past year or so. I kinda tired of the constant "Look at me, I know more than anyone else when it comes to football". That is the problem with the DB/JPL situation -- on both sides. It was the problem with the TH/WM difficulties. When the guy is ready to play, the intelligent, football knowing people who want the Bills to succeed will make that decision. You guys are trying to micromanage the Bills organization more than most people do in relationship to the job that the President does -- and that's not an exaggeration, as unbelievable as it may sound. 194013[/snapback] Nobody is claiming to be smarter than the front office staff and coaches, it's just part of being a fan. So what is your recommendation for proper board etiquette??? If we don't talk about what players should stay or go(TD decisions), who should be a starter or backup(MM decisions), who we should draft(TD, TM & scouting decisions), what would this board consist of? I'll tell you what it would consist of......a whole bunch of OT posts and an occassional "TD is god", "The Bills are great" and "I never take off my rose colored glasses" threads. Boy that sounds like fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 We'll just stop talking altogether. 194029[/snapback] Yeah, with 11K + posts I will believe that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Yeah, with 11K + posts I will believe that! 194202[/snapback] damn, i knew someone was gonna bust me on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This is my frustration with the attitudes around TSW for the past year or so. I kinda tired of the constant "Look at me, I know more than anyone else when it comes to football". That is the problem with the DB/JPL situation -- on both sides. It was the problem with the TH/WM difficulties. When the guy is ready to play, the intelligent, football knowing people who want the Bills to succeed will make that decision. You guys are trying to micromanage the Bills organization more than most people do in relationship to the job that the President does -- and that's not an exaggeration, as unbelievable as it may sound. 194013[/snapback] I voted no. However, I actually have a friend, real true blue, who works as a scout for another NFL team. He also played a couple of years in NFLE and was on a couple of teams here in the NFL. On occassion he will talk with scouts from other teams when he is doing some advance scouting, and will feed me a tidbit on occassion as to the rumblings within the Bills and other organizations. Oh the things that I could say, but the crowd here is a little too stuck on themselves to listen to actual facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk about this stuff. My point was simply the pompous attitude that so many have about their own opinions. I have opinions, I ocassionally share them, they ocassionally change after I share them. Sometimes I even go back and forth between two. This is entertainment. This is sports. The reason I put this 'tongue-in-cheek' poll on the board was to draw attention to the arrogance that so many have. It's not fun to read and it pervades TSW at this point, as it has for a while now. You can't say that I shouldn't read those posts, because all that would be left would be threads about pornography (which is wrong), drinking (which I don't support), and a small smattering of other posts. It's been noted how many times someone starts a football thread about one aspect or another that it won't be long before another person of another persuation (regarding the QB situation, coaching situation, RB ... you get the idea) shows up. It happens like clockwork -- and then most of the constructive dialogue is gone. Mostly what happens after that is lost on defensive attacks by both sides of whatever disagreement is in vogue. Maybe I need to just leave the board, but I have enjoyed so much of it and got to meet some of you at a Garbage Plate Society meeting this past summer -- which was good for me (and my family). Trust me, I'm ticked at the way the season ended; but at the same time it was a successful year. I've been around since the mid-70s and I feel we're in the same place as we were in '87 -- coming off of several putrid years, barely remembering what it was like to be in the playoffs. It's close. Let's not turn on each other. The way I was always taught was "Think of others more highly than yourself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nobody is claiming to be smarter than the front office staff and coaches, it's just part of being a fan. So what is your recommendation for proper board etiquette??? If we don't talk about what players should stay or go(TD decisions), who should be a starter or backup(MM decisions), who we should draft(TD, TM & scouting decisions), what would this board consist of? I'll tell you what it would consist of......a whole bunch of OT posts and an occassional "TD is god", "The Bills are great" and "I never take off my rose colored glasses" threads. Boy that sounds like fun. 194175[/snapback] YAY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I voted no. However, I actually have a friend, real true blue, who works as a scout for another NFL team. He also played a couple of years in NFLE and was on a couple of teams here in the NFL. On occassion he will talk with scouts from other teams when he is doing some advance scouting, and will feed me a tidbit on occassion as to the rumblings within the Bills and other organizations. Oh the things that I could say, but the crowd here is a little too stuck on themselves to listen to actual facts. 194225[/snapback] Get real az$whole.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 damn, i knew someone was gonna bust me on that! 194211[/snapback] Why put out a teaser like that? If you've got good info... share it! Who cares if some posters flame the info,,, I always like hearing inside scoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Why put out a teaser like that? If you've got good info... share it! Who cares if some posters flame the info,,, I always like hearing inside scoops. 194397[/snapback] Sorry... I meant to attach that to VA Bills post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 If I achieved the same level of mediocrity in my job as TD has achieved with the Bills in 3 years, I'd be looking for work. 194044[/snapback] So would half of the population of the United States that are employed in jobs where anyone cares what they're doing. By definition, mediocrity implies being average (actually mediocrity is the spectrum from a little inferior to a little above average). Nothing spectacular, nothing hideous. I would say that mediocrity is what keeps most people's jobs. Just don't mess stuff up too bad. Again, this is sports entertainment, not NASA, government intelligence, or any of a bunch of other things that averageness cannot be tolerated. Yes, TDs franchise record has been mediocre, but we have gone from definitely inferior to just above average. It's a progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Where's the "I can beat any team 99-0 in expert mode on Madden 2005 with the Buffalo Bills team that I put together, so that makes me an expert GM and coach" crowd. 194038[/snapback] haven't done that, but in madden 2004 i did win 6 straight super bowls... with the cardinals with the cardinals! thats gotta count for something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I don't think I know more, but I do think the problem with most NFL front office people is they see the personal side of players more than fans do, so fans are quicker to pass judgement on their on the field performance than most GM's. Example, if a Coach/GM has one O-lineman with the skills of Mike Pussywillow on their team. No upside at all. Is an aging veteran that has been in the league about 12 years, but he's a great guy, great family man. Has 2 kids, and a great wife who is associated with charities and everything going on behind the scenes. Then you have this other O-lineman who lets say has been in the league about 2 years, has no personal family, and goes out partying every sunday after the game. Not really responsible, but has a sh!tload of upside. If the GM was forced to cut one of these guys, which one do you think he would cut? My money would be on the younger guy with no life outside of football would get the ax because the other guy is a fine human being. That's the problem with Drew IMO. He's too good of a guy, so he'll keep getting the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 that idea may work for guys who are on the bubble (although I don't think it's entirely true because your example was rather extreme), but not for who to start no one can argue that Frank Reich wasn't the better man his entire career backing up JK. I know that Jim has settled down now, relatively calm family man now, but before ... no way. You don't select your starter that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I voted no. However, I actually have a friend, real true blue, who works as a scout for another NFL team. He also played a couple of years in NFLE and was on a couple of teams here in the NFL. On occassion he will talk with scouts from other teams when he is doing some advance scouting, and will feed me a tidbit on occassion as to the rumblings within the Bills and other organizations. Oh the things that I could say, but the crowd here is a little too stuck on themselves to listen to actual facts. 194225[/snapback] LAMP! LAMP! LAMP! ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 haven't done that, but in madden 2004 i did win 6 straight super bowls...with the cardinals with the cardinals! thats gotta count for something 194488[/snapback] how many seasons did it take to rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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