Justice Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 My concern is that Fitz is made the fall guy, and Chan is brought back and allowed to draft "his guy" at QB in the first round. Because I expect that "his guy" would be cut out of the Blaine Gabbert/Christian Ponder/Jake Locker mold, and the team would fail miserably. But that sets up Gailey to be the fall guy in 2013, and whatever new coach is hired will stick with Blaikian Plockert for another year or two and continue to fail miserably. That sets up Nix to be the fall guy, and at that point, it's a "blow it up" situation. I feel like there's some merit in continuity, but more on the GM level, and with the understanding that we need an upgrade at QB. I really think there's enough talent on this team right now to make the playoffs, and that's *with* Fitz at QB. Improve the coaching and QB, draft well and re-sign our free agents, and we could really build something. I'm about to get burnt at the stakes for this one, but here it goes. I agree with everything you just said. All that can happen if we pick the wrong QB. How about we offer up our 1st, Fitzpatrick and Spiller for Philip Rivers? Flame away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm about to get burnt at the stakes for this one, but here it goes. I agree with everything you just said. All that can happen if we pick the wrong QB. How about we offer up our 1st, Fitzpatrick and Spiller for Philip Rivers? Flame away. I dont like that trade at all because Spiller is that good. But more importantly, SD will have no interest in a guy like Fitz...if they trade Rivers its to bring a new guy along. Most importantly, Rivers will not be traded. The new regime will try and find him some weapons before they just give up on him. It wasnt that long ago he was a top 8 QB easily, but he lost a lot of weapons and his OL is terrible. He is one guy that has some legit reasons for a drop in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I dont like that trade at all because Spiller is that good. But more importantly, SD will have no interest in a guy like Fitz...if they trade Rivers its to bring a new guy along. Most importantly, Rivers will not be traded. The new regime will try and find him some weapons before they just give up on him. It wasnt that long ago he was a top 8 QB easily, but he lost a lot of weapons and his OL is terrible. He is one guy that has some legit reasons for a drop in play. I'm not too sure of that. They might accept the deal. You said it yourself, Spiller is just that good. Rivers was drafted in '04, and SD needs to rebuild. Not a bad way to start with two 1st rounders (one from us) and CJ. Running backs are easy to find. QBs aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm about to get burnt at the stakes for this one, but here it goes. I agree with everything you just said. All that can happen if we pick the wrong QB. How about we offer up our 1st, Fitzpatrick and Spiller for Philip Rivers? Flame away. There was a graphic on ESPN today: What QBs lead the league in interceptions? Here is the order: 1) Mark Sanchez 2) Philip Rivers 3) Ryan Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 There was a graphic on ESPN today: What QBs lead the league in interceptions? Here is the order: 1) Mark Sanchez 2) Philip Rivers 3) Ryan Fitzpatrick I'm aware, but that doesn't change my opinion on Rivers. His offensive line is, and has been, one of the worst in the league. He also goes downfield a lot, way more than Fitzy and yet he only has 3 more turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Only fools would support this team as is and as it has been for too long. Act like you have a vertebrae and do not support a product that disregards its purchasers even if it means that product will cease to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Not a troll, rather a passionate Bills fan. Not a fan, more like a troll / fanatic to keep defending one of the worst head coaches in Bills history. Sorry Mrs Gailey, but this owner is going to wake from his coma and fire some people after this season regardless of what you or Buddy Nix wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Only fools would support this team as is and as it has been for too long. Act like you have a vertebrae and do not support a product that disregards its purchasers even if it means that product will cease to exist. I travel up to Buffalo every year to catch a Bills game. This year I decided to wait and see. I saw. I'm not going. I'll come up in the middle of February for some skiing and catching up with friends, instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I fully get the point of continuity. As Bills fan's we've seen front offices and coaching regimes walk in and walk on out and we've been stuck in this 3 year cycle. Coaching changes no longer excite me. No one worth their salt will work for Ralph Wilson and the last gm who did was pushed out for Marv Levy who made the whole mess even worse. The problem isn't the gm or the coaches. The problem is the owner. Just enjoy having a team we will never see the Bills win as long as Ralph owns this organization. The problem was and continues to be inadequate play at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok. I'm trying to stay from this thread but I just can't hold it anymore. FWIW, I agree that continuity is the better way to go. I agree that Chan could probably do much better with a better QB leading the team. I agree that with the defense either continuing to improve with what we've got, or with a new DC and a few more pieces he'd be better. And I agree that no real coach would want to come to this sinking ship of a franchise. However, here's a few things that should be clear why we want Gailey to be fired immediately. -regardless how bad the QB position is, Chan has refused to run the ball more. The inability to utilize Freddy and CJ more as our offenses best weapons. -the horrible time management, player management, gametime decisions, and inability to get this team into the winning mentality. -regardless if the defense is not his thing, he hand picked his DC. He still refuses, no matter how bad, to speak of the unit. Your the HC, you must have accountability. -even if we did manage to get the best young rookie QB in the draft, does anyone really think he starts over Fitz? Chan has married himself to Fitz and it should be his demise. Also, even if the QB was picked up, do you really trust Chan as the one to coach him? I sure don't. -no matter who the next HC is, he's gotta be better than Chan and his 15-33 record. At the end of the day, we could have all the weapons in place and Chan would still make the wrong personnel decisions on game day. Would still make all the wrong play calls in game day. Would still be a losing coach. That's all I have to say. I have no faith in Gailey. If he's here, ill still be buying season tickets because I love this team. Because I love the NFL experience. But I have no hope for this team until Chan is gone as our HC or he proves me wrong and were playing in January. NFN, but did you ever stop to think that if you stop buying season tickets and many others follow that perhaps this owner will finally wake up and hire a top head coach like he did in years past. This owner KNOWS who to hire, he just refuses to do that until the fans force him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) I'm about to get burnt at the stakes for this one, but here it goes. I agree with everything you just said. All that can happen if we pick the wrong QB. How about we offer up our 1st, Fitzpatrick and Spiller for Philip Rivers? Flame away. SD would never do that, but I'd do that in a NY minute if I were the Bills. This league is all about the QB, and Rivers is very good. He's in a bad situation right now, but he has good years left in him. He's had many, many excellent years, and he's neither ancient nor in physical decline. But SD would never make that trade for a RB that is essentially supplemental to winning rather than the key to winning. The Bills don't win because of RBs; they win because of either QB play or a dominating defense. Hence they don't win. This is despite a series of elite RBs in the past decade, three of whom may wind up with 10,000 yards: McGahee, Lynch, and Spiller if he stays healthy. Hell, the Vikings are *lucky* to be 8-6, and I suspect they won't make the playoffs. And their RB may end up with the best season in the history of the game. Look at the Pats when it comes to RBs. They are interchangeable parts. QBs are not. Presumably, SD knows this. Edited December 19, 2012 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLeonard Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We've done that in the past, MM and Jauron, 3 years and out, didn't work. Wrong. If you're going to try and defend the "continuity" BS, at least back it with some facts. Mularkey quit after his second season... My guess is, he saw the dysfunction in the organization (specifically, the Front Office) and said "No thanks." Jauron got a 4th season, as you're suggesting with Gailey. Jauron was then fired midseason. The last Bills Coach to get 3 years was Gregg Williams and he was 17-31 in those three years. Chan Gailey would need to win these final two games to even get to that mark. At least Gregg Williams and Mike Mularkey were "hot coordinators" at the time of their hire and at least Jauron had held a Head Coaching job in the 21st Century before becoming the Bills Head Coach. Gailey was out of football after being fired by Kansas City as an Offensive Coordinator. Gailey has a worse record as Bills' Head Coach than Williams, Mularkey and Jauron. It could also be argued that Gailey has had more talent than all of those three coaches had during their tenure as well. He definitely has more talent than Jauron ever did, yet, Jauron has a significantly better record as Bills head coach than Gailey does. The problem isn't "disrupting continuity." The problem is not hiring the right guy to get positive continuity from in the first place. Unfortunately, those guys usally cost a bit more money and, well, the TV contracts don't pay for coaching staffs and front offices, like they do the players... That all comes out of the owner's wallet. -Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Zuckertown you are a just a drag, nothing hopeful or positive fom you have i seen. Call me what you want. I'm right. Sorry I'm not cheerleading for a garbage franchise. Deal with it. Edited December 19, 2012 by Barry Zuckerkorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) If anyone buys this crap, I'm gonna puke. If Gailey is the coach in 2013, I hope the fans are smart enough to hold off on any purchase of tickets, season or otherwise until mid October. If th the Bills want fan support, make these bastards earn it the old fashioned way... one win at a time. It's the only way. Week 17 should feature Paper bag masks and FIRE GAILEY posters. If the fans put this team in a corner, they will have no choice but to s#!t-can Chan. Season ticket holders need to hold off in 2013 until Gailey, and his entire coaching staff (including Wanny) is gone. Edited December 19, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 All I'm going to say to anyone wanting continuity. Is the only continuity you'll get out of Chan being back again next year is another losing season. Saying that the 3 years and out changes haven't worked in the past is just as stupid as hoping for Chan to all of the sudden have a winning season. His record is 15-31 at the moment. It's looking like hell be finishing at 15-33. That is the worst, or 2nd worst record in 3 years by any team in the last 3 years. That says a lot. He also has a worse record than Juron, Williams, Mularkey, and Phillips. Of all the horrible coaches we've had in the last 15+ years, he has the worst record of then all. That says A LOT. He must go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 NFN, but did you ever stop to think that if you stop buying season tickets and many others follow that perhaps this owner will finally wake up and hire a top head coach like he did in years past. This owner KNOWS who to hire, he just refuses to do that until the fans force him to. First of all. I HATE the saying "nothin for nothin" it's absolutely stupid. Second- Didnt you read my post? I said I love this team and I love the football experience. As long as the team is here, I will gladly spend a minuscule amount of $440 for a season ticket. At the very least, it's fun to hang with friends on Sundays. Drink some beers. And have some good food at a tailgate. And if I ever leave the city of Buffalo and to a city where another NFL team plays, ill be a season ticket holder to that team as well. Again, I LOVE THIS TEAM, I LOVE THE NFL EXPERIENCE!!! It is absolutely worth it to go to games on Sundays. Maybe you don't live here and don't have the availability to go to every home game. I DO! I WILL! Regardless of the product in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) My other issue is this guy has no bravado, no machismo, no balls, no fire, no heart...and with coincidence, neither does this team. Instead, he comes out and says "the effort was there" and crap like that. This team needs someone who is going to get fired up, inspire, intimidate, motivate, and dominate out on that field. He coaches like a pansy, and quite frankly his game management and clock management is a joke. Why build continuity around that? I would understand if we just did not have enough talent on the field and we needed more time to allot for that, but there is enough talent on this team to win more games than we do. And quite frankly, several losses were on his shoulders because of decisions he's made. Time for a change...but it wont happen unfortunately. I, for one, don't believe Gailey gets heckled, chided, or haranged enough at home games. IMO, he's had an easy go of it, considering his massive failure.For fans going to the Jets game, this could be your LAST CHANCE to save this team. FIRE CHAN GAILEY posters should be in the hands of every Billiever old enough to hold one.Fan complacency has allowed Gailey/Nix to believe we'll accept whater garbage product they put on the field.Vicious verbal harrassment by the Bills fanhood is the only answer. Gailey and his entire coaching staff must go. Edited December 19, 2012 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I find the title of "persuing continuity" equates to neither sh@$ting, nor getting off the pot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Call me what you want. I'm right. Sorry I'm not cheerleading for a garbage franchise. Deal with it. I actually cant fault you for that. !You are in the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 If anyone buys this crap, I'm gonna puke. If Gailey is the coach in 2013, I hope the fans are smart enough to hold off on any purchase of tickets, season or otherwise until mid October. If th the Bills want fan support, make these bastards earn it the old fashioned way... one win at a time. they will all be there come september, tickets to bills game as so cheap, if you don't buy em, someone else will... for most bills fans it all about the drunken orgy before the game anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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