Dragonborn10 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm god dam fed up with the Fitz haters. Which player told the Patriots to f-off today? Which guy kept coming? The only defender with any heart is Kyle Williams. Graham ran the wrong dam route. This defense is historically bad. There is no QB on this team better than Fitz. Go ahead and waste a high draft pick on a QB and piss away any chance of making the playoffs next year. This team needs an entire new defensive coaching staff and three LB's. It's obvious. You want Spiller to run the ball more then get the offense the ball back. Make a play on third down. Cause a turnover. Catch the dam tipped ball for a pick-six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm god dam fed up with the Fitz haters. Which player told the Patriots to f-off today? Which guy kept coming? The only defender with any heart is Kyle Williams. Graham ran the wrong dam route. This defense is historically bad. There is no QB on this team better than Fitz. Go ahead and waste a high draft pick on a QB and piss away any chance of making the playoffs next year. This team needs an entire new defensive coaching staff and three LB's. It's obvious. You want Spiller to run the ball more then get the offense the ball back. Make a play on third down. Cause a turnover. Catch the dam tipped ball for a pick-six. Sorry,the guy is the polar opposite of clutch. He blows in crunch time. There's no defense for how bad he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Sorry,the guy is the polar opposite of clutch. He blows in crunch time. There's no defense for how bad he sucks. Sad but true.... though he's still the Bills' best QB since Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Sorry,the guy is the polar opposite of clutch. He blows in crunch time. There's no defense for how bad he sucks. You are right about one thing - there is no defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Ok. He's the greatest QB with a sub .400 winning % in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Sad but true.... though he's still the Bills' best QB since Flutie. Can't argue that. How effed up is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm always iffy on Fitz. You want to route for the guy, and hes easily the most together qb we've had since Flutie. I'd rather watch Fitz play then any game during the Johnson,Bledsoe, Holcomb, Losman, Edwards tenures. He obviously has his faults. I also think he's been dealt a really bad hand. This team misses David Nelson. Outside of SJ and Chandler to say we don't have reliable receiving targets is putting it mildly. Everytime Donald Jones shows potential he gets hurt. Then he has a head coach who refuses to help him out by taking pressure off fitzpatrick bv getting the ball to our best player in Spiller. Under ideal conditions we would be better served with a better qb, but they don't grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Â You are right about one thing - there is no defense Great post D but Fitz isn't the answer. I don't like hating on the guy either but he's way too inconsistent to depend on. TJ may have been the one who messed up on the INT but he still had Johnson and Spiller open on his other reads. Â The D is bad. There are salvageable parts - Byrd, K. williams, Dareus (maybe). But they need to focus on QB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreakPop Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Ok. He's the greatest QB with a sub .400 winning % in NFL history. Â yep because he is the only one on the field playing the game. Â Does Kyle Williams suck also? His win loss record with the Bills has got to be equal or worse than Fitz or does Dareus suck too, as his w/l record is 9-16.It is ridiculous to blame one player for the whole teams failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fitz needs a head coach that will either teach him how to win, run that 2 min drill to perfection or crapcan him for someone who can win. Â Gailey himself doesn't know how to win and can't tell the difference between a QB who can and cannot win. Gailey is still calling empty backfield sets when he should be getting the ball to Spiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm god dam fed up with the Fitz haters. Which player told the Patriots to f-off today? Which guy kept coming? The only defender with any heart is Kyle Williams. Graham ran the wrong dam route. This defense is historically bad. There is no QB on this team better than Fitz. Go ahead and waste a high draft pick on a QB and piss away any chance of making the playoffs next year. This team needs an entire new defensive coaching staff and three LB's. It's obvious. You want Spiller to run the ball more then get the offense the ball back. Make a play on third down. Cause a turnover. Catch the dam tipped ball for a pick-six. Â Don't think in terms of making the playoffs next year. Think in terms of building a Super Bowl winner. Â Making the playoffs next year is not a natural progression toward building a Super Bowl winner, for the same reason that building a successful riding mower is not necessarily a natural progression toward building a successful racecar. If you want a racecar, you have to build it from the ground up. Â For a team like the Bills, building a Super Bowl-capable team means upgrading the quarterback position. (Among other positions.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fitz needs a head coach that will either teach him how to win, run that 2 min drill to perfection or crapcan him for someone who can win.  Gailey himself doesn't know how to win and can't tell the difference between a QB who can and cannot win. Gailey is still calling empty backfield sets when he should be getting the ball to Spiller  and even if he is calling empty backfield plays should be calling pass plays to spiller. The empty backfield stuff is ridiculous. Without David Nelson our wr core goes from average to seriously below. Donald Jones gets hurt every 6 plays. Outside of SJ and Chandler we have nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 you can be fed up all you want but just becuase fitz showed a little balls doesn't make him a good qb. He simply is not, week after week game after game he does just enough to lose. Check out his record as a starter and that is all you need . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I feel the same way about Fitz as I do Obama, both been around for 4 years with subpar performance and everyone making excuses for why they can't perform their job competently. I wish they'll magically get better because mere job experience hasn't. I want to believe in them but constantly being let down causes me to just expect the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fitz is not the problem on the team - far from it; Fitz is merely the scapegoat for fed-up fans. When the problems of a franchise are too great to count, the easiest solution for fans is to point the finger at the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fitz is not the problem on the team - far from it; Fitz is merely the scapegoat for fed-up fans. When the problems of a franchise are too great to count, the easiest solution for fans is to point the finger at the QB. Â The problem is the owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Truth Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Don't think in terms of making the playoffs next year. Think in terms of building a Super Bowl winner. Â Making the playoffs next year is not a natural progression toward building a Super Bowl winner, for the same reason that building a successful riding mower is not necessarily a natural progression toward building a successful racecar. If you want a racecar, you have to build it from the ground up. Â For a team like the Bills, building a Super Bowl-capable team means upgrading the quarterback position. (Among other positions.) Fair point. Sadly, I would take a playoff team at this point though. I can barely fathom a championship team in Buffalo. It's been so long since we were competive. I just want a team that gets a little respect. We're pushovers and laughing stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Why was he left alone to fight back against the defender who blew his helmet off? Where was the oline? It's their job to get in that asshats face at that point. Op is right. He has more kahunas than 90 percent of his teammates. And he had a very good game today. Unfortunately, he's not good enough week in and week out to take this team anywhere. But of course, neither is gailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 yep because he is the only one on the field playing the game. Â Does Kyle Williams suck also? His win loss record with the Bills has got to be equal or worse than Fitz or does Dareus suck too, as his w/l record is 9-16.It is ridiculous to blame one player for the whole teams failures. Â How can you defend Fitz after a key fumble and a game deciding INT? 59% completion rate. 83 TDs to 74 INTS. Career QB rating of less than 80. Bills fans are so starved for a decent QB, mediocre looks good. Â As far as Dareus or the great Kyle Williams, they are neither dominant or consistent. People run on the Bills easily. About like Fitz....they play just well enough to lose. Â The Bills will never have a winning record with Fitz at QB. He can't throw the ball accurately longer than 12 yards and just fails at key moments in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 How can you defend Fitz after a key fumble and a game deciding INT? 59% completion rate. 83 TDs to 74 INTS. Career QB rating of less than 80. Bills fans are so starved for a decent QB, mediocre looks good. Â As far as Dareus or the great Kyle Williams, they are neither dominant or consistent. People run on the Bills easily. About like Fitz....they play just well enough to lose. Â The Bills will never have a winning record with Fitz at QB. He can't throw the ball accurately longer than 12 yards and just fails at key moments in the game. Â I think we all realize we need a qb, but as I said in another thtread. Simply drafting a qb does not equal= franchise qb. Too many teams make this mistake. The best route to go is to keep Fitz and let the rooke learn on the bench and mature into a starting role. Otherwise we're more than likely to get stuck with another JP Losman or Blaine Gabbert type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrowingFitz Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) I think we all realize we need a qb, but as I said in another thtread. Simply drafting a qb does not equal= franchise qb. Too many teams make this mistake. The best route to go is to keep Fitz and let the rooke learn on the bench and mature into a starting role. Otherwise we're more than likely to get stuck with another JP Losman or Blaine Gabbert type  Agreed.  Ill be rooting for him to succeed the rest of this year and next. The guy took over this team when they were at their worst. You Fitz haters were cheering for him when Trent was stinking up the field.  This defense is not hit fault. Draft MLB first, QB in the 2nd and let Fitz help him develop. Edited November 11, 2012 by ThrowingFitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think we all realize we need a qb, but as I said in another thtread. Simply drafting a qb does not equal= franchise qb. Too many teams make this mistake. The best route to go is to keep Fitz and let the rooke learn on the bench and mature into a starting role. Otherwise we're more than likely to get stuck with another JP Losman or Blaine Gabbert type  This may have been true 5 years ago, but you cant just pick 2 that make your argument. Newton, RG3,Luck, Dalton, Tannehill, all started right out of college. Yea there is always that risk it does not work, but it needs to be done here. Coach, and QB need to be the 1st things changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 How does a first round QB help the worst defense in the league? Fitz and the offense are good enough to win in this league. The offense is not routinely going three and out. The defense has plenty of time to rest and injuries are not a problem. The problem is lack of talent at LB and an old washed up coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 How does a first round QB help the worst defense in the league? Fitz and the offense are good enough to win in this league. The offense is not routinely going three and out. The defense has plenty of time to rest and injuries are not a problem. The problem is lack of talent at LB and an old washed up coordinator. Â Yeah they go three and out just enough to stay in it, fight back, then blow it in the end. Is Fitz the biggest problem with this team/franchise? Don't think so. But if you don't think he is absolutely limited by his lack of a deep ball and his tendency to turn it over in crucial moments, I'm sorry but you're completely out to lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 How does a first round QB help the worst defense in the league? Fitz and the offense are good enough to win in this league. The offense is not routinely going three and out. The defense has plenty of time to rest and injuries are not a problem. The problem is lack of talent at LB and an old washed up coordinator. Â It is easier to find adequate/good LB's in this league in FA. Franchise QB's come from the draft. Once a team gets one they very rarely let it go. Im all in for Franchise QB in RD 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Agreed. Â Ill be rooting for him to succeed the rest of this year and next. The guy took over this team when they were at their worst. You Fitz haters were cheering for him when Trent was stinking up the field. Â This defense is not hit fault. Draft MLB first, QB in the 2nd and let Fitz help him develop. Did sheppard really have 0 tackles today???????????????????We need aMLB, that is problem with run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This may have been true 5 years ago, but you cant just pick 2 that make your argument. Newton, RG3,Luck, Dalton, Tannehill, all started right out of college. Yea there is always that risk it does not work, but it needs to be done here. Coach, and QB need to be the 1st things changed. Â Newtons struggling this year, RG3 is a wait and see. Luck was the top overall pick. I've yet to see what's so impressive about tannehill. Odds are some of these players will struggle moving forward. I still believe the best route is to have a mentor to a younger qb. Brady had bledsoe. Rodgers had Favre. Eli had Kurt Warner. The Bills have rolled the dice throwing Losman and Edwards to the wolves. Who knows how losman would've turned out had Bledsoe stuck around another year and Losman was able to see the game instead of forced to be the guy, I'd rather not see the Bills make that mistake again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffal0 Bill5 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I actually felt bad for Fitz today. He gave it all he had today, but unfotunately all he has doesn't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz is not good enough to be the long term QB but he's much tougher and is more of a leader than folks give him credit for. Â PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 How does a first round QB help the worst defense in the league? Fitz and the offense are good enough to win in this league. The offense is not routinely going three and out. The defense has plenty of time to rest and injuries are not a problem. The problem is lack of talent at LB and an old washed up coordinator. Â Ahh.... Maybe the Defense Stays off the Field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz played well today. 31 points on the road is doing your job . They really should have put 40 up. But what was he thinking going to the rookie at the end of the game when CJ was open??. Â Fitz has his moments. If we didnt have the worst Defense ever we might have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I Don't Care if Shitzpatrick has Balls as Big as Basketballs HE CAN'T FINISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Ahh.... Maybe the Defense Stays off the Field  The Bills are 22nd in time of posession 16th in 3rd down percentage. Maybe if the defense got off the field on 3rd downs didn't have the 31st ranked run defense and caused some turnovers they could get themselves off the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz played well today. 31 points on the road is doing your job . They really should have put 40 up. But what was he thinking going to the rookie at the end of the game when CJ was open??. Â Fitz has his moments. If we didnt have the worst Defense ever we might have won. Â By Numbers The Saint have the Worst Defense Now that could have changed but I haven't checked yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz could have won it against Tennessee & New England. The great QBs win these types of games. Fitz continually loses these games it's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Why was he left alone to fight back against the defender who blew his helmet off? Where was the oline? It's their job to get in that asshats face at that point. Op is right. He has more kahunas than 90 percent of his teammates. And he had a very good game today. Unfortunately, he's not good enough week in and week out to take this team anywhere. But of course, neither is gailey. Â This is a great point. Fitz is the only tough guy on this team. Where was the O-line? Getting their dicks handed to them, that's where. Â Hard to believe some guys were calling this collection of Nancies "the Wolfpack" at the beginning of the season. Isn't Wood supposed to be some kind of tough guy? And was Glenn injured escorting pass rushers to Fitz's chin? Â No heart around Fitz. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz could have won it against Tennessee & New England. The great QBs win these types of games. Fitz continually loses these games it's that simple. Â Only 2 teams allow over 30pts a game. 30 other qb's don't have to overcome that. "it's that simple" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fitz could have won it against Tennessee & New England. The great QBs win these types of games. Fitz continually loses these games it's that simple. Defense could have showed up for those games as well...Dropped INT's in both games...Plenty of production by the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The Bills are 22nd in time of posession 16th in 3rd down percentage. Maybe if the defense got off the field on 3rd downs didn't have the 31st ranked run defense and caused some turnovers they could get themselves off the field? Â Â 22nd in time of possession is reason why because Shitzy is passing every down or Fumbling Or Throwing INT if they'd run the ball maybe the defense could get there breathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Â Â This is a great point. Fitz is the only tough guy on this team. Where was the O-line? Getting their dicks handed to them, that's where. Â Hard to believe some guys were calling this collection of Nancies "the Wolfpack" at the beginning of the season. Isn't Wood supposed to be some kind of tough guy? And was Glenn injured escorting pass rushers to Fitz's chin? Â No heart around Fitz. None. Â Yeah those pussies that helped the Bills throw for 320, rush for 160, and gave up a whopping 3 sacks in the Pats house should be torched! C'mon mob lets go!!!!!!......gimme a fuggin break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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