Doc Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Mediation failed since thei ion still rejected management's proposal. Idiots. So is it true that since they lost their jobs after striking, they can't get unemployment benes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Mediation failed since thei ion still rejected management's proposal. Idiots. So is it true that since they lost their jobs after striking, they can't get unemployment benes? It's a state issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 good luck in LA today. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/20/Thanksgiving-LAX-shutdown-union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 More strikes. Just another in a long list of reasons that the Barack Obama Middle-Out Economic Expansion Plan is slowed down. When will you greedy capitalists stop standing in the way of our president's plan for growth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Green light from the judge. Bye bye, 18k jobs. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/twinkie-maker-hostess-close-down-sell-brands-225724804--finance.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Green light from the judge. Bye bye, 18k jobs. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/twinkie-maker-hostess-close-down-sell-brands-225724804--finance.html Its OK, we're finally sucking out the wealth /EII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If you have a trade... You will find a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If you have a trade... You will find a job. This. When one door closes, another one opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If you have a trade... You will find a job. I don't disagree, then why the need for a union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I don't disagree, then why the need for a union? Because as one, the tradesman is weak and is easily exploited. As a union with others of similar skill, they are able to control power. Still the skill of the trade is the underlying advantage to indivdual worker... That will get them in the door... THEN couple that with power of many. Look back in history... Why were there guilds first. Coopers and shoemakers are highly skilled trades. Why were they one of the first to organize in the British North American colonies? Also: The Hostess brand is valuable brand. Maybe they only way to work this out was to destroy the old management of the brand... Move it to new owners and start fresh with a new set of rules w/the union. The "nuclear option." We will see what becomes of the brand with less belligerent ownership and too an extent less belligerent union. They knew what they were getting into... If most were worried about losing their job they would have budged. It strikes me that they knew the consequences. So what is the big deal? Unemployment benefits? That is one of the tools in the arsenal... More power to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 If you have a trade... You will find a job. Driving a truck, pouring flour, following a 100 year old recipe? Maybe some of the operations engineers, but most of these folks were line workers with no skills, much like a toll booth collector. Doesn't take a whole lot of training. Most don't have a trade and likely will find something just over minimum wage if they are lucky. Many also will not collect unemployment as they were on strike and many states will not pay benefits as a result of labor disputes. Good luck to them and their family during the holidays but it looks pretty grime for the vast majority of those 18,000 workers, especially in todays economy and the fight against junk food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 They may find jobs back at a reformed Hostess-like place, but it won't be unionized anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Because as one, the tradesman is weak and is easily exploited. Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Really?? Why do you question that? Do you really believe management cares about the needs of the workers? Have a happy thanksgiving Chef to you and your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Businesses are not inherently evil, those who regurgitate that nonsense when trying to "defend" unions are simply wrong. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Businesses are not inherently evil, those who regurgitate that nonsense when trying to "defend" unions are simply wrong. . Certainly, but what I always notice about those people is how 99% of them speak from complete ignorance about what it takes to manage a company. It's easy to demonize that which you don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Certainly, but what I always notice about those people is how 99% of them speak from complete ignorance about what it takes to manage a company. It's easy to demonize that which you don't understand. Sort of like religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Why do you question that? Do you really believe management cares about the needs of the workers? Have a happy thanksgiving Chef to you and your family. Do you think the workers care about the needs of management or are they simply exchanging their abilities in exchange for a wage? It's amazing how my parents and their peers who didn't speak the languages, didn't have any marketable skills still managed to live a fairly decent life with 4 kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Do you think the workers care about the needs of management or are they simply exchanging their abilities in exchange for a wage? It's amazing how my parents and their peers who didn't speak the languages, didn't have any marketable skills still managed to live a fairly decent life with 4 kids. For most, it's just a way to pay the bills. But then some take pride in doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/21/Surprise-PA-College-Slashes-Hours-To-Avoid-Obamacare Pennsylvania's Community College of Allegheny County (CCAC) is slashing the hours of 400 adjunct instructors, support staff, and part-time instructors to dodge paying for Obamacare. "It's kind of a double whammy for us because we are facing a legal requirement [under the new law] to get health care and if the college is reducing our hours, we don't have the money to pay for it," said adjunct biology professor Adam Davis. On Tuesday, CCAC employees were notified that Obamacare defines full-time employees as those working 30 hours or more per week and that on Dec. 31 temporary part-time employees will be cut back to 25 hours. The move will save an estimated $6 million. "While it is of course the college’s preference to provide coverage to these positions, there simply are not funds available to do so," said CCAC spokesperson David Hoovler. "Several years of cuts or largely flat funding from our government supporters have led to significant cost reductions by CCAC, leaving little room to trim the college’s budget further." The solution, says United Steelworkers representative Jeff Cech, is that adjunct professors should unionize in an attempt to thwart schools seeking similar cost-savings efforts from avoiding Obamacare. "They may be complying with the letter of the law, but the letter of law and the spirit of the law are two different things," said Mr. Cech. "If they are doing it at CCAC, it can't be long before they do it other places." Under the new CCAC policy, adjunct professors will only be allowed to teach 10 credit hours a semester. Adjuncts are paid $730 per credit hour. "We all know we are expendable," said Mr. Davis, "and there are plenty of people out there in this economy who would be willing to have our jobs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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