AKA Bigdog Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 What's important going forward is for Bills scouts to recognize that there are NO WILSONS, LUCKS, OR RGII's in the '13 draft. -There ain't even a Kirk Cousins, or a Tanneyhill there at #8. -It's a total wasteland. Please, Please, DO NOT REACH FOR QB WITH A HIGH PICK! Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) One thing I've noticed about him is even when everything is stacked against him he still appears calm under fire. That being said Id still take kapernick over him. Edited January 14, 2013 by wonderbread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Go ahead and say whatever you want, there's NO EXCUSE for passing on Wilson to take an unknown like TJ GRAHAM. There wasn't then. -There isn't now. In fact, by any stretch of any "NFL person's" imagination, judgement, or professional acumen (hopeful taught me that word,) THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE. -One of many for that regime. For his age, height, draft selection, NFL division, Russell Wilson has excelled. Period. -He's the class of the 2013 rookies. HE PROVED IT. Why in the world is this still being argued? Edited January 14, 2013 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Go ahead and say whatever you want, there's NO EXCUSE for passing on Wilson to take an unknown like TJ GRAHAM. There wasn't then. -There isn't now. In fact, by any stretch of any "NFL person's" imagination, judgement, or professional acumen (hopeful taught me that word,) THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE. -One of many for that regime. For his age, height, draft selection, NFL division, Russell Wilson is the has excelled. Period. -Class of the 2013 rookies. HE PROVED IT. Why in the world is this still being argued. Go ahead and say whatever you want, there's NO EXCUSE for passing on Wilson to take an unknown like TJ GRAHAM. There wasn't then. -There isn't now. In fact, by any stretch of any "NFL person's" imagination, judgement, or professional acumen (hopeful taught me that word,) THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE. -One of many for that regime. For his age, height, draft selection, NFL division, Russell Wilson is the has excelled. Period. -Class of the 2013 rookies. HE PROVED IT. Why in the world is this still being argued. You can say that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 You can say that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The thing is, I was myself. I am completely biased against small QBs, and didn't want the Bills to go near any of the Colt McCoy types. But once I saw Russell Wilson play, and then started really following him, he blew me away. I loved the guy and saw all the stuff that he did that made his height a non factor in college. I really wanted the Bills to draft him. But I didn't think they should take him in the first or second round. It was a HUGE risk. And I couldn't find anything I didn't like about him. He was amazing. I'm sure that is pretty much what everything, including the Seahawks, felt. If ANYONE, even the Packers or Patriots with great QBs, thought his height wouldn't be a factor, they would have taken him in the first or second round. He was that good and that highly regarded. It was certainly understandable why Russell Wilson wasn't drafted in the first or second round. The stature issue, and not the production issue, was the determining factor for his draft position. But organizations that are willing to think outside of the box don't allow conventional thinking from inhibiting them in searching for talent. The stature issue is a legitimate issue when considering if it hinders the qb from seeing the field and making throws. If his record was thoroughly examined it would have revealed that he had fewer passes knocked down than much taller qbs. Is it really any different when a shorter qb throws at a higher point than a taller qb throws at a lower point? Jake Locker was a much more physically imposing qb than Wilson. However, without a doubt Wilson is a more accurate passer, read defenses better and has much better pocket awareness. From a production standpoint (college) Wilson outshined Locker in every phase of the game other than height. From an analytical standpoint Wilson was the better prospect. The Bills are a failed organization because the people making the personnel decisions are mediocre. Buddy Ntix believed players playing certain positions should have a particular "physical build" in order to be successful. He believes that OL should be more on the big and bulky side than on the lean and athletic side. He also believed that qbs should have minimal physical traits before they would be considered. In general, that is a reasonable approach to take when evaluating players. But if you exclusively adhere to your "profile" approach you are "self-limiting" yourself when there are an exceptions to your rule. Sometimes a little ingredient of creativity and measured risk taking is the difference between being successful and being average or less. The Bills for a very long time have been a conservative organization that has not been willing to change its approach. Hopefully, under Brandon, a more progressive approach will be taken in the running of this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 One detail I don't recall reading/hearing much about with regards to Wilson predraft (maybe it was prevalent, I didn't exactly read a ton about him) was his wingspan, hand size and high point of delivery--- these are all factors which essentially negate the height disadvantage. Although that wouldn't necessarily serve as a surefire predictor in evaluating QB prospects with less than ideal height. It was well known in these parts among regular readers that Wilson's O-line at Wisconsin average OVER 6'6" tall. Also, it was well known that he had very few passes batted down. Fewer than most quarterbacks. Take away the read option that Seattle runs and Wilson still looks like an excellent QB. He reads defenses very well, has a very good arm, manipulates coverage, and he's a leader. The guy is going to be very good to great for a long time. Believe your lying eyes. I think Wilson will have a great career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We'll see how Wilson holds up. At 5'11" and 206# it will take a toll taking a pounding from guys 50-100 pounds heavier than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 You can say that again. I would like to take this time to apologize for the over-abundance of good scotch in my cabinets. -Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It was well known in these parts among regular readers that Wilson's O-line at Wisconsin average OVER 6'6" tall. Also, it was well known that he had very few passes batted down. Fewer than most quarterbacks. I definitely didn't participate in the Wilson discussions on TSW at the time or generally read very much about him, predraft. It seems like it didn't take a great deal of digging to kick conventional wisdom right in the nuts. Hopefully the Bills brain trust continues to stay ahead of the curve, as they have thus far this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We'll see how Wilson holds up. At 5'11" and 206# it will take a toll taking a pounding from guys 50-100 pounds heavier than him. He'll hold up a lot better than the scrawny RG#--mainly because he takes far fewer hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 He'll hold up a lot better than the scrawny RG#--mainly because he takes far fewer hits. I agree that RGIII is also a risk...which is already starting to manifest itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We'll see how Wilson holds up. At 5'11" and 206# it will take a toll taking a pounding from guys 50-100 pounds heavier than him. The one thing you'll notice the more you watch Wilson is how aware he is of everyone on the field. He has eyes in the back of his head and is rarely surprised by a defender. Besides that he has great self-preservation instincts and rarely puts himself in harms way… counter-intuitive when you talk about a quarterback who can run for yardage and to extend plays. My prediction for Wilson is for a long and fairly injury-free career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The one thing you'll notice the more you watch Wilson is how aware he is of everyone on the field. He has eyes in the back of his head and is rarely surprised by a defender. Besides that he has great self-preservation instincts and rarely puts himself in harms way… counter-intuitive when you talk about a quarterback who can run for yardage and to extend plays. My prediction for Wilson is for a long and fairly injury-free career. i agree...very aware of everything out there. very well spoken/bright.--that last pass was dead center in the EZ. no panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It was certainly understandable why Russell Wilson wasn't drafted in the first or second round. The stature issue, and not the production issue, was the determining factor for his draft position. But organizations that are willing to think outside of the box don't allow conventional thinking from inhibiting them in searching for talent. The stature issue is a legitimate issue when considering if it hinders the qb from seeing the field and making throws. If his record was thoroughly examined it would have revealed that he had fewer passes knocked down than much taller qbs. Is it really any different when a shorter qb throws at a higher point than a taller qb throws at a lower point? Jake Locker was a much more physically imposing qb than Wilson. However, without a doubt Wilson is a more accurate passer, read defenses better and has much better pocket awareness. From a production standpoint (college) Wilson outshined Locker in every phase of the game other than height. From an analytical standpoint Wilson was the better prospect. The Bills are a failed organization because the people making the personnel decisions are mediocre. Buddy Ntix believed players playing certain positions should have a particular "physical build" in order to be successful. He believes that OL should be more on the big and bulky side than on the lean and athletic side. He also believed that qbs should have minimal physical traits before they would be considered. In general, that is a reasonable approach to take when evaluating players. But if you exclusively adhere to your "profile" approach you are "self-limiting" yourself when there are an exceptions to your rule. Sometimes a little ingredient of creativity and measured risk taking is the difference between being successful and being average or less. The Bills for a very long time have been a conservative organization that has not been willing to change its approach. Hopefully, under Brandon, a more progressive approach will be taken in the running of this franchise. I just keep thinking about that WGR interview earlier this year...I think it was right before the Seattle Game...But anyway...Buddy Nix basically said they liked Wilson a lot, and that his height was not an issue...Not an issue for the Bills that is...Knowing this, and granted knowing what we have seen from Wilson, if you liked the kid and had no problem with the height issue?...TJ Graham? Really? T...J...Graham?...It was the 3rd Round...Are you kidding me?... The one thing you'll notice the more you watch Wilson is how aware he is of everyone on the field. He has eyes in the back of his head and is rarely surprised by a defender. Besides that he has great self-preservation instincts and rarely puts himself in harms way… counter-intuitive when you talk about a quarterback who can run for yardage and to extend plays. My prediction for Wilson is for a long and fairly injury-free career. Agreed...100%... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 We'll see how Wilson holds up. At 5'11" and 206# it will take a toll taking a pounding from guys 50-100 pounds heavier than him. 206 is solid for a qb--esp at 5 11(i think hes more 5 9 or 10ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 If Wilson breaks down in 5 years....so what..... guaranteed that his teams will have reached at least as high as this year, and higher. I seriously doubt his career will be less than 10 years....but the talk around here by some is that we will wait for his body to break down so we can say...."see....THATS why we didn't grab him in the 3rd" total joke logic. If we got to the 2nd level of the playoffs and he gave us a game like he did today.....worth every god damned bit of supposed "risk" and then some. Now he has to have a 20 year career to justify his style of play. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 206 is solid for a qb--esp at 5 11(i think hes more 5 9 or 10ish) He measured 5-10 5/8 at the Combine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 He measured 5-10 5/8 at the Combine... thats more like it;) Joe Ferguson weighed 180. Joe Montana betw 180-190. Brees may be 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Another "running QB" bites the dust and falls short... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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