BiggieScooby Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Jaws obviously hasn't watched the film. Fitz has been better than Cassel, Weeden, Romo, Sanchez, Kolb, Palmer, Russell, Tannehill, Locker, Newton, Stafford. No doubt he has been out performed by the likes of Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers, Dalton, Smith, Ponder, RG3, Luck. I'd rank Fitz in the top 20 around 19. He'd be even higher if not for his 2 late game picks against New England in garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Jaws also was big on the "Trent Edwards Franchise Quarterback" bandwagon and even discussed him as an MVP candidate: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=3654411 Lets hope he is just as wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Jaws obviously hasn't watched the film. Fitz has been better than Cassel, Weeden, Romo, Sanchez, Kolb, Palmer, Russell, Tannehill, Locker, Newton, Stafford. No doubt he has been out performed by the likes of Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers, Dalton, Smith, Ponder, RG3, Luck. I'd rank Fitz in the top 20 around 19. He'd be even higher if not for his 2 late game picks against New England in garbage time. NO he is not. He may lead the league in TD's, but 4 have come in garbage time (if you are going to count Garbage time INT's), and 3 were on screen/dump passes with a lot YAC yards by the receiver. I would take any of those QB's minus Sanchez over FItz. Edited October 5, 2012 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Jaws obviously hasn't watched the film. Fitz has been better than Cassel, Weeden, Romo, Sanchez, Kolb, Palmer, Russell, Tannehill, Locker, Newton, Stafford. No doubt he has been out performed by the likes of Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers, Dalton, Smith, Ponder, RG3, Luck. I'd rank Fitz in the top 20 around 19. He'd be even higher if not for his 2 late game picks against New England in garbage time. Ok, you guys have NO CLUE to what a ranking is do you. It makes sense now...let me help you people understand what Jaws ranked. He did not rank them BY STATS! If you want a stats ranking go to ESPN.com and sort the QB's by whatever stats you want. He ranked them on who he feels is an actual better QB based on potential, past success, current success, etc. No one in the world would ever choose Fitz over Stafford, Newton, etc....but you just disagreed that Stafford, Newton, etc should be ranked higher because of stats (which are fools gold on Fitz as he compiles a lot of them in garbage time). No GM in the NFL would choose Fitz over most of the people on your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 WRONG again. There is no argument using numbers that will convince anyone Fitz is a better QB than Vick. I dont like Vick, but there is no doubt he is a more talented QB than Fitz and he has a better track record to prove it. He has been struggling this year, but he has also rallied his team to wins and has proven over his career he can play at a high level and WIN in this league, where as Fitz sucks again, just like every year of his career and LOSES us games rather than wins us games. Not sure what you've been watching or what criteria you've used, but Vick hasn't done a good job of being an NFL quarterback since 2010. Even his adopted father, Andy Reid, is dropping hints about possibly replacing him with Foles. I live in the heart of Eagles country and I can tell you that sports talk radio down here is very critical of Vick and his slipping performance level over the past year-plus. Coincidentally, not too long after he signed his big contract. Sound familiar? But, go on believing what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Not sure what you've been watching or what criteria you've used, but Vick hasn't done a good job of being an NFL quarterback since 2010. Even his adopted father, Andy Reid, is dropping hints about possibly replacing him with Foles. I live in the heart of Eagles country and I can tell you that sports talk radio down here is very critical of Vick and his slipping performance level over the past year-plus. Coincidentally, not too long after he signed his big contract. Sound familiar? But, go on believing what you will. That Eagles O line is down right terrible. I watch Eagles games, I haev a certain fondness of them. Vick is getting beaten every game. He is sporing a Kevlar vest for petes sake. Has he been good this year, no. But previous stats suggest he will get on track and put up decent numbers. Vick has always been carelss with teh ball but he is a 2 demensional QB. Teams go into Eagles games with Gameplans to Limit Vick's 2 demensional game. Teams go into Bills games thinking make Fitz throw the ball and we will get our chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Not sure what you've been watching or what criteria you've used, but Vick hasn't done a good job of being an NFL quarterback since 2010. Even his adopted father, Andy Reid, is dropping hints about possibly replacing him with Foles. I live in the heart of Eagles country and I can tell you that sports talk radio down here is very critical of Vick and his slipping performance level over the past year-plus. Coincidentally, not too long after he signed his big contract. Sound familiar? But, go on believing what you will. Please show me where I said Vick was a good QB. I compared him to Fitz...not the rest of the NFL. I dont even like Vick, but he has at least proven he can win games in the NFL, be a pro bowler, and be a better all around weapon while Fitz has proven time in and time again that he is a journeryman QB who can once in a while get hot in PARTS of a game while being bad far too often. Edited October 5, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 That Eagles O line is down right terrible. I watch Eagles games, I haev a certain fondness of them. Vick is getting beaten every game. He is sporing a Kevlar vest for petes sake. Has he been good this year, no. But previous stats suggest he will get on track and put up decent numbers. Vick has always been carelss with teh ball but he is a 2 demensional QB. Teams go into Eagles games with Gameplans to Limit Vick's 2 demensional game. Teams go into Bills games thinking make Fitz throw the ball and we will get our chances. Good points on Vick. Imagine if an average NFL QB were afforded the kind of protection and throwing lanes that Fitz has had this year where he's missed on several throws that would have lead to drive sustaining plays or TDs in some cases. Looking at the talent that the Bills have at their disposal on Offense and the plays that Chan has drawn up, a more fundamentally sound QB would have the Bills at least at 3-1. Fitz just isn't good enough. Statistics be damned!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 hes more 15-20... i mean come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 That Eagles O line is down right terrible. I watch Eagles games, I haev a certain fondness of them. Vick is getting beaten every game. He is sporing a Kevlar vest for petes sake. Has he been good this year, no. But previous stats suggest he will get on track and put up decent numbers. Vick has always been carelss with teh ball but he is a 2 demensional QB. Teams go into Eagles games with Gameplans to Limit Vick's 2 demensional game. Teams go into Bills games thinking make Fitz throw the ball and we will get our chances. Can we get through one discussion of another team's QB without blaming their troubles on everything other than that QB? Many of you just don't want to be fair when we have discussions. Fitz has a bad game and no one is allowed to bring up the defense or the play calling or the dropped passes, etc. Otherwise they're Fitz homers. But, when Cutler or Romo or Vick come up, it's a laundry list of excuses. Not saying Fitz is a model QB, but neither are most of these other guys that some people talk about dreamily. If he were QB in Buffalo, I wager 75% of you would be looking to toss him off the Peace Bridge after a 4-INT game or "taking" 5 sacks, etc. Vick has played some downright garbage games this year...and last year...and late 2010...etc. The "proven track record" thing also doesn't do it for me. What has he won recently? He is a on a team blessed with offensive talent and a top-3 RB, but where have the results been? Now, if you want to put the blame on Andy Reid for his atrocious play calling, I might give you a mulligan. But, for someone who is so blessed with talent, ought we stop making so many excuses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) hes more 15-20... i mean come on. Based on what? You just pick an arbirtray number? How can you put him at say 15 and justify him being ahead of some of the guys that would be lower than that? There is no logical justification anywhere that could put him anywhere in the teens at this point, let alone 15. I would not rank him 30, but it definitely wouldnt be any higher than 24 and thats being very generous. I did my own ranking and had him at 27. Edited October 5, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Can we get through one discussion of another team's QB without blaming their troubles on everything other than that QB? Many of you just don't want to be fair when we have discussions. Fitz has a bad game and no one is allowed to bring up the defense or the play calling or the dropped passes, etc. Otherwise they're Fitz homers. But, when Cutler or Romo or Vick come up, it's a laundry list of excuses. Not saying Fitz is a model QB, but neither are most of these other guys that some people talk about dreamily. If he were QB in Buffalo, I wager 75% of you would be looking to toss him off the Peace Bridge after a 4-INT game or "taking" 5 sacks, etc. Vick has played some downright garbage games this year...and last year...and late 2010...etc. The "proven track record" thing also doesn't do it for me. What has he won recently? He is a on a team blessed with offensive talent and a top-3 RB, but where have the results been? Now, if you want to put the blame on Andy Reid for his atrocious play calling, I might give you a mulligan. But, for someone who is so blessed with talent, ought we stop making so many excuses? You can say all the same things about Fitz, except FItz is on a team with a better O line and TWO top 5-10 running backs. Andy Reid has a lot to do with the Eagles and how bad they are. Lesean McCoy is probably the best open field back there is in the game today, yet he never runs the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 You can say all the same things about Fitz, except FItz is on a team with a better O line and TWO top 5-10 running backs. Andy Reid has a lot to do with the Eagles and how bad they are. Lesean McCoy is probably the best open field back there is in the game today, yet he never runs the damn ball. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Fitzpatrick worked with a QB guru all during the offseason and has nothing to show for it. Something tells me there isn't any more room for improvement. He is what he is at this point. Don't get mad at Jaws because he was off by maybe 2 or 3 spots on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 The disdain for Fitz and his shortcomings and/or "low ceiling" among roughly half of Bills fans pretty much matches the current feelings of half of Cowboys fans towards Romo, half of Philly fans towards Vick, and half of Jets fans toward Sanchez. OK maybe 75% of Jets fans since everyone loves Tebow before he actually takes snaps and shows his limitations and slingshot release. Additionally, I will say that probably half of Ravens fans whined about Flacco up until this year, and half of Falcons fans thought Ryan would never get it done until now. They have now been as quiet as those "Eli is no Peyton" crowd as of lately. Good, consistent NFL QBs are so very damn hard to find. Flutie aside, I still favor Fitzy over all the bums and wusses we have anointed since Jimbo because he is a tougher, better leader than we have had. Deflects any credit and takes all of the blame, just like Jimbo or any respected veteran QB does. Plus who remembers the nasty shot he took from James Harrison shortly before launching the would-be game winning TD versus Pittsburgh that Stevie dropped? I am not happy with his production since the contract, but he is not paid exhorbitantly as a starting NFL QB goes. I do hope they draft a guy fairly early next spring to groom under him, but I fully support Fitz in 2012. Do you really want to see Thigpen or T. Jackson? C'mon man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) I would bet big money you have seen nothing other than ESPN highlights for the most part of the Dolphins. And yes, one of my closet friends is a Dolphin fan and we watch our games together. Would you like to know my logIn for NFL Rewind? Maybe then you can watch them yourself, again. You would bet big money and be wrong. I watch lots of games. Hence why I have NFL rewind. Not that you'll believe me or I can prove it. Edited October 5, 2012 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Kachy Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Really? That high. Fitzmoney is bad and always been bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 The disdain for Fitz and his shortcomings and/or "low ceiling" among roughly half of Bills fans pretty much matches the current feelings of half of Cowboys fans towards Romo, half of Philly fans towards Vick, and half of Jets fans toward Sanchez. OK maybe 75% of Jets fans since everyone loves Tebow before he actually takes snaps and shows his limitations and slingshot release. Additionally, I will say that probably half of Ravens fans whined about Flacco up until this year, and half of Falcons fans thought Ryan would never get it done until now. They have now been as quiet as those "Eli is no Peyton" crowd as of lately. Good, consistent NFL QBs are so very damn hard to find. Flutie aside, I still favor Fitzy over all the bums and wusses we have anointed since Jimbo because he is a tougher, better leader than we have had. Deflects any credit and takes all of the blame, just like Jimbo or any respected veteran QB does. Plus who remembers the nasty shot he took from James Harrison shortly before launching the would-be game winning TD versus Pittsburgh that Stevie dropped? I am not happy with his production since the contract, but he is not paid exhorbitantly as a starting NFL QB goes. I do hope they draft a guy fairly early next spring to groom under him, but I fully support Fitz in 2012. Do you really want to see Thigpen or T. Jackson? C'mon man. Ummmmmm, Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Has Jaws seen what Sanchez or Romo are doing recently? I generally like Jaws' commentary, but every so often he comes up with something that makes me sit up and go "What the !@#$?" Did you see waht Romo has done recently? the first 3 of those 5 picks v the Bears where all on the WRs, or what should have been ruled a sack/fumble. Maybe the last two were on him, idk I went to bed, but Romo had his O driving for a score and then his team let him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Who cares about Vick? This is a Fitz debate and his raw numbers aren't indicative of his performance. Can he throw the entire route tree? Nope, and Gailey doesn't ask him to. Does he turn it over? Yep, to the tune of 7 times in 4 games. Does he hit his receivers in stride? Not frequently enough and he tends to get his guys injured or they absorb big hits. I have to say Chandler has proven me wrong in certain respects. I considered him a Buddy Nix bluelight special, but he's demonstrated decent hands and made some plays. He'll never run by anyone like a Jimmy Graham, but he's been reliable in the receiving game. Which "part of the route tree" have you NOT seen Fitz throw? Technically, if he has poor accuracy he can't throw ANY part of the route tree. But I'd be interested in knowing which part of the tree Chan has made off limits. He has the green light on go routes so that's not it and that's one of the lowest percentage plays to begin with. Deep middle isn't so much off limits as it is a priority for defenses to take away for obvious reasons. So, what has Chan expressly prohibited him from throwing? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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