Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Bills looked really good in the 1st QTR, the problem is the game is played for 4 QTRs. The offense would be ok if Chan would put as much emphasis on running the ball as he does passing it. Fred Jackson is the best player on the team and should see the ball 20-25 times a game. Spiller needs to get his touches also. The guy who looked out of sync was SJ, is the offense to complicated for him? Donald Jones looked more like the #1 WR then SJ did. Fitz is a good journeyman QB who can win games if Chan Gailey stops putting him in 3rd and long all game long. The coaching staff needs to realize that they don't have big ben at QB, they don't have Brady, Brees, Stafford. They have a Flacco / Matt Ryan type and he needs a strong running game behind him like those two have. Run to set up the pass, it worked for Jim Kelly back in the day. And in the regular season, the Bills starters will play for 4Q For the 1st quarter when all the OL starters were in, the breakdown was 12 pass plays to 7 run plays or about 65% pass, 35% run. That is NOT the breakdown I want to see during the regular season. To do Chan justice though, those run plays went for 0,15,8,1,4,2, and 8 yds - so while the YPC are great at about 5, it's not as though the Bills are having 100% success running the ball, it's a mixture of stuffs and longer runs. SJ had one absolutely Big League catch across the middle. #1 in anyone's league. He also had a couple plays where there was obviously some miscue, can't tell whose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Peyton Manning's colts used to lose every preseason game every year and then win 12-14 regular season games. These games are glorified practices. Thats it. You go into saying we need to practice this and you go and do that. When the games matter, the practicing against another team's defense idea goes out the window. The Colts of 2011 sucked in preseason and then ... oh wait, nevermind. The issue with these W-L record analyses of preseason schedules applied to good teams is that they don't actually consider what transpires within the context of the game. Peyton Manning and the Colts used the preseason games as tune ups. They would come out for a series or 3 in the first quarter, roll down the field against a vanilla defense like a blow torch through margarine, and then let the backups and camp fodder play the rest of the game. Those backups would stumble along and be lost for 2 or 3 quarters and the Colts would lose a meaningless game. The point is that there is no parallel to be drawn between that and, say, a preseason game where JaMarcus Russell comes out the first few series and throws 3 pick 6's in a row. Both team may have losing preseason records, but if one knows what they are looking at, the reasons are night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Where do you pull this crap outta? He is 6'2" just like a bunch of other QBs have been and he is taller than a bunch of others. He is prototypical height. Learn some facts before you post stupid gibberish like that. I don't think it's "crap" or "stupid gibberish". The prototypical modern NFL QB is desired to be 6'4" to 6'6" - guys like Blaine Gabbert who "looks the way you want your QB to look". Brady, Eli and Payton Manning, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, Alex Smith all fall within this height range. So Fitz at 6'2" is on the short side for a modern-day NFL QB. He also has smallish hands. (and I still think he should learn to throw in gloves a la Warner) That said, Warner, Rodgers and RGIII are listed at the same height (6'2") and Brees is shorter 6'0"; so being this height doesn't preclude great completion percentage. Someone commented he was throwing from his shoulder on the batted passes. I didn't see that, and it it's true, I'm sure Bob Lee will be working on that with him this week. Not sure what you are basing this on, but did you know that according to NFL.com, the Bills finished 2011 as the 14th ranked offense out of 32 teams? Someone commented that folks with "Fan" or something really devoted-sounding like "wagon circler" in their username invariably wind up being the biggest chicken-little turncoats. Edited August 26, 2012 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Does anyone remember changing something you've done most of your life? It doesn't become natural for some time. My guess is that Fitz is working on new techniques and he's not entirely comfortable with them yet. It takes a while. If he's smart, he'll stick with the program, but the result may be that the Bills come out of the shoot a bit weak and show improvement over the season. Edited August 26, 2012 by flmike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 We sucked last year in PS as well and came out like gang busters. Repeat after me ... Pre season means nothing. Can't quite say that, but as someone else pointed out, one can't deduce the meaning of preseason from looking at the W-L record or the score. The real questions are how did the team look with the starters in there? For the Bills, the answer seems to be "better each week" and in some ways, looking very good, but there are certainly areas for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Remember when Trent and Lee lit up the Steelers in a preseason game in Toronto? We couldn't wait for that season to start up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Watched the starters twice lastnight: Fitz And Stevie were not on the same page: 6 straight incompletions. We will never see that between these two when it counts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 How many times does this need to be said?? To quote Allen Iverson: "...we're talking about...practice..." Peyton Manning's colts used to lose every preseason game every year and then win 12-14 regular season games. These games are glorified practices. Thats it. You go into saying we need to practice this and you go and do that. When the games matter, the practicing against another team's defense idea goes out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Why then did Buffalo game plan for this "glorified practice." When the first team offense scores 3 TD's in 3 games something's wrong, pre-season or no pre-season. Technically it's 3 TDs in 4.5 quarters, but why bother with facts when your sole purpose for posting is to be a miserable, negative jackass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 We sucked last year in PS as well and came out like gang busters. Repeat after me ... Pre season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Hey, I'm trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Fitz's release point is not as high as some of the better QB's, such as Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Pre-season means nothing. Hey, I'm trying. Keep trying. Fact is, the third pre-season game is where you need to show something--there certainly was some game-planning and the starters played the first half. While pre-season means nothing generally, I think most of us wanted to see a decent showing last night. I'm not sure I'd call last night confidence inspiring--but there were some positives and I think we'll be okay come week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Colts of 2011 sucked in preseason and then ... oh wait, nevermind. The issue with these W-L record analyses of preseason schedules applied to good teams is that they don't actually consider what transpires within the context of the game. The Patriots offense looked like a disaster their last game to the point that Belichick said that it was 'terrible to watch' . What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Fitz's release point is not as high as some of the better QB's, such as Rodgers. Its also not as low as Phillip Rivers. Im not worried about Fitz. There has been some serious zip on his passes this preseason, the mechanics are working. His footwork appears to be better too. Fitz is a good quarterback. I am much more worried about our Oline. Fitz was getting destroyed last night on almost every attempt and he was still slinging it. He will be fine if he can stay upright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Patriots offense looked like a disaster their last game to the point that Belichick said that it was 'terrible to watch' . What does that mean? Must mean that Belichick doesn't know about flipping the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Watched the starters twice lastnight: Fitz And Stevie were not on the same page: 6 straight incompletions. We will never see that between these two when it counts... I hope not, but it does make me wonder what the disconnect was. Got Wood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Healthy=win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I hope not, but it does make me wonder what the disconnect was. Got Wood? Saying Stevie won't be involved in any incompletions that count smacks of tongue-in-cheek, no? Especially after a Steelers game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 What I can't understand is all the negative comments on these topics. We are supposed to be positive fans and than rant after the 10th week. Let us all listen to Chan. Half these guys won't be here in two weeks. We have the best to come. Trust me because I'm a great fan. Since 1965. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Personally, from what I saw, the Bills offense and defense looked great in the 1st quarter. Then, good ole Dick LeBeau didn't like how we were putting on a clinic on his starting D, so decided it was time to "practice" their blitzes. Add to that Wood, was pulled out after the 1st quarter and I saw a severe breakdown in the line, especially up the middle. Both of these put together and Fitz had no time to sit back and throw. The defense kept looking good through the 2nd quarter, and if not very that amazing throw by Roethlisberger into perfect coverage, they would have come out of the first half looking really good. Oh well, only practice. Fitzpatrick missed an easy blitz read on the first series. The blitzing player left Graham all alone in the left slot and came after Fitz fitz should have flipped it to Graham it was third and 2 easy PICKUP. Instead he flings the ball into double coverage somehow and we punt......No different than last year. 3rd and short and he gets freaking cute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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