Dr. Fong Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The most top 10 trades in NFL history. link That seems like cherry picking a stat, but I'll bite. How many was the previous record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I'd rather see Nix stick to his strengths. His strength is talent evaluation, not draft day maneuvering, and I'm ok with that. There are always going to be good players available to select. Sometimes I feel like teams are moving around for the sake of moving around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 As always promo sees what he wants to see and says what he wants to say ignoring what is actually being discussed. No. I boil down the discussion to the nut. What you said was the Bills failed to keep up with the wheeling and dealing by staying put. You did not discuss the quality of the pick we got so I assume you are upset the Bills didn't make a deal, as if that would make everything sexier. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 That seems like cherry picking a stat, but I'll bite. How many was the previous record? Jesus Doc, google is your friend. 16 picks were traded in the first round an NFL record. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 So you should make trades because everyone else is doing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 With the ample history of first round busts, the "new" approach to trading up runs a mighty big risk of falling on its face. Time and time again, it's been shown that quality players can be found in lower rounds---if you know what you're doing. Those teams that gave up picks to 'get their guy' better hope their aim is true since they have fewer bullets in their guns today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Beerball- Based on how last year's injuries affected our team, I think our need for depth outweighs our need for impact players. Don't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Jesus Doc, google is your friend. 16 picks were traded in the first round an NFL record. link Jesus Beerball, the link you just posted wasn't the one you posted in the first post. The first link was to CBSsports main site. I still can't get an answer on what the old record was. Edited April 27, 2012 by Dr. Fong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 As been said many times...Show me the baby. I don't mind the path that Buddy has taken, but if they're not knocking on the playoff door by next year, he's not doing anything for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bourbonboy Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 OBD knows what they're doing...I was initially hoping to grab Kalil somehow, but if it woulda cost us the 2nd round pick, I'm glad they didn't. OT's dropped, and it's likely that a good one will be available at #41 (or we could burn a low pick and move up a few spots to guarantee it). Bottom line - would you rather have Kalil or Gilmore and Martin? I'll take the latter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What you see with Buddy Nix is what you get. Like I stated in other threads Buddy Nix covets his draft picks like he does his children and doesn't want to part with them. So get used to it, it isn't going to ever change with him as GM. .Clearly the Bills looked at the board at 10 and went BPA. My only thought is the Bills had bigger needs at other positions then CB. Nix was probably horrified by what he saw in his secondary from the last two years. The biggest problem with the last two years was a lack of pass rush and letting your DB's hang out to dry for 60 min. With the addition of super Mario, Anderson and a healthy Merriman it should change the complexion of that secondary almost completely. Super Mario is to the defense what Fitz is to the offense. One gives the opposing QB so much less time to throw, the other gets the ball out so quickly it negates the pass rush against him. The problem with the current Bills offense is it is very limited in what it can do with only one decent WR, one decent TE and a patchwork O line. I'm more disappointed in the fact that Nix doesn't have the balls or the vision to trade up and get a Blackmon- a Kuechly - a Kalil, or even Claiborne. Ya gotta pound the table for the blue chippers in this league. The thing is with the NFL draft is the further you go into it, the bigger percentage for failure you have. Its like guy at 5-7 are long shots to develop into anything, so why not trade those picks? Even Nix has a history of not finding the late round gems the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Its like guy at 5-7 are long shots to develop into anything, so why not trade those picks? Even Nix has a history of not finding the late round gems the last two years. Do you read what you write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Put the Gilmore pick aside for a second if you can and think about what happened in yesterday's first round. Trades were fast and furious. Teams moving down allowing another team to target their guy then moving back up etc. It was a fun night from what I was able to see. There were some big winners (Minny, NE IMO) and some head scratchers (Cleveland is #1 in this category to me, Tampa #2). What last night showed us was this is the new NFL draft. The CBA makes it very attractive for teams to move around. The Bills stood pat. They listened to offers to trade up and they fielded calls to move down. The fact that they didn't may tell us that they got their guy, but it might also tell us that Buddy is Buddy. His philosophy is take the BPA. Did we miss the boat last night? We'll never know for sure because the misinformation will continue, but these comment do concern me: We had calls to move up or down, but we didn't do it. Why? Because you run a risk. Moving up you 'swap two guys for one & if you miss on that one' huh? So you're defeated before you even start? You might miss? What faith do you have in this revamped scouting department headed by your heir apparent? 'We did not entertain moving down' Why not? We did not entertain tells me it was not an option. We didn't think about it. Why? If you are concerned about missing on your picks (if you miss on that one) why not get more picks? The NEW NFL has shown us that you go get your guy. CB was a need. Did they have Gilmore rated above Kuechly? They have (IMO) a bigger need at LB than CB. IF we stand pat in round 2 how many players of need will the Bills miss out on? Upshaw? Martin? Glenn? David? Jeffery? Sanu? Please take the blinders off and don't read this as a woe is us post. Does Buddy's draft philosophy need to change with the times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogma+ Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 You received cudos from the wife last night for a Willy Wonka reference in a thread about trading sideways. But, you too are ignoring moving down. That flies in the face of your argument. Can you link me to where Buddy said they received calls to move down? I heard the move up calls, but I must have missed the move down comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 They got their guy right? Why bounce around if he is right there? We got a dude who started day one in college, NEVER missed a game, has guarded the best college wide outs in the game( A.J.Green, Julio Jones) as a young starter. It's hard to think that they are behind becouse of not trading all over. This has been the best off season in a long time. In Chix we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I dont fault him for not trading up, but I would have liked him to take up one of those trade down offers. In the draft I'd rather shoot with a scatter gun than a sniper rifle. But considering how many good players fall into the 20s and the 2nd and 3rd every year, and considering how well buddy did in those round alst year. Id have liked to get more picks out of the 10th pick. Seeing Decastro slide to 24, Kirkpatrick slide to [i think] 17, having Upshaw, Fleener, and Glenn still available along with a slew of WRs. I always like the idea of moving back and adding some picks, then maybe moving up again with those picks or just sitting back. The Rams are sitting pretty right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What you see with Buddy Nix is what you get. Like I stated in other threads Buddy Nix covets his draft picks like he does his children and doesn't want to part with them. So get used to it, it isn't going to ever change with him as GM. .Clearly the Bills looked at the board at 10 and went BPA. My only thought is the Bills had bigger needs at other positions then CB. Nix was probably horrified by what he saw in his secondary from the last two years. The biggest problem with the last two years was a lack of pass rush and letting your DB's hang out to dry for 60 min. With the addition of super Mario, Anderson and a healthy Merriman it should change the complexion of that secondary almost completely. Super Mario is to the defense what Fitz is to the offense. One gives the opposing QB so much less time to throw, the other gets the ball out so quickly it negates the pass rush against him. The problem with the current Bills offense is it is very limited in what it can do with only one decent WR, one decent TE and a patchwork O line. I'm more disappointed in the fact that Nix doesn't have the balls or the vision to trade up and get a Blackmon- a Kuechly - a Kalil, or even Claiborne. Ya gotta pound the table for the blue chippers in this league. The thing is with the NFL draft is the further you go into it, the bigger percentage for failure you have. Its like guy at 5-7 are long shots to develop into anything, so why not trade those picks? Even Nix has a history of not finding the late round gems the last two years. This is exactly where I come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What you see with Buddy Nix is what you get. Like I stated in other threads Buddy Nix covets his draft picks like he does his children and doesn't want to part with them. So get used to it, it isn't going to ever change with him as GM. .Clearly the Bills looked at the board at 10 and went BPA. My only thought is the Bills had bigger needs at other positions then CB. Nix was probably horrified by what he saw in his secondary from the last two years. The biggest problem with the last two years was a lack of pass rush and letting your DB's hang out to dry for 60 min. With the addition of super Mario, Anderson and a healthy Merriman it should change the complexion of that secondary almost completely. Super Mario is to the defense what Fitz is to the offense. One gives the opposing QB so much less time to throw, the other gets the ball out so quickly it negates the pass rush against him. The problem with the current Bills offense is it is very limited in what it can do with only one decent WR, one decent TE and a patchwork O line. I'm more disappointed in the fact that Nix doesn't have the balls or the vision to trade up and get a Blackmon- a Kuechly - a Kalil, or even Claiborne. Ya gotta pound the table for the blue chippers in this league. The thing is with the NFL draft is the further you go into it, the bigger percentage for failure you have. Its like guy at 5-7 are long shots to develop into anything, so why not trade those picks? Even Nix has a history of not finding the late round gems the last two years. Seriously? You typed that? That's a nice, big, absolutely meaningless and baseless opinion on a message board. Congrats. (p.s. Gilmore is a blue-chipper) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I dont fault him for not trading up, but I would have liked him to take up one of those trade down offers. In the draft I'd rather shoot with a scatter gun than a sniper rifle. But considering how many good players fall into the 20s and the 2nd and 3rd every year, and considering how well buddy did in those round alst year. Id have liked to get more picks out of the 10th pick. Seeing Decastro slide to 24, Kirkpatrick slide to [i think] 17, having Upshaw, Fleener, and Glenn still available along with a slew of WRs. I always like the idea of moving back and adding some picks, then maybe moving up again with those picks or just sitting back. The Rams are sitting pretty right about now. In a hypothetical mock draft, you would like to move down. But in a real draft, the other GM is thinking of his priorities. In a deep draft with only a handful of marquee players, the trade down options become very limited once the marquee players are gone. Dallas & Eagles were the only wild cards to deal in getting out of #10. But once Dallas they made their move, Eagles could sit back & watch. They obviously targeted a DT. But you don't know what they offered to move to #10. We know what it cost to move from 15 to 12 (4th & 6th). So I imagine Bills wouldn't move down 5 spots without getting a 3rd, but then you don't know if Eagles were offering that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) I like the Gilmore pick based on where they were and what was available. But the OP raises an interesting point in that with less financial downside due to the rookie wage scale, why not try leverage 10 picks into 4 starters or 3 and a significant contributor i.e. a designated pass rusher? With less of a financial impact, busts can be covered in FA. In the current scenario in rounds 2 and 3 we MAY address starting holes but we may also get bumped by others with the same needs. I would like to see 2 #4's and 2 #5's turn into 2 #2's and 2 #3's (current 2 and 3 included). The percentages become more favorable with regard to impacting near field performance. As we become better as defined by season ending record, the lower round picks must be used creatively to effectively add impact players and not merely insurance on a consistent basis. See NE although it pains me to do it. The Giants do that well also. Edited April 27, 2012 by 3putt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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