Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 The scouting staff seems to love him mentioning he can move to linebacker in the dime package. I think he is the pick. My link Boy, that drumbeat seems to be getting louder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Another possible reason to be worried about Barron being the pick: Chris Brown has the Bills picking him on his mock draft he released today. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Chris-Browns-2012-Mock-Draft/6340ae74-bb8c-464d-bae1-e99cbdb87aab 10. Buffalo OT, LB, CB Top choice: S Mark Barron - Alabama LB Luke Kuechly - Boston College Much like the Spiller pick in 2010, the Bills take the top player on the board and select the best safety to come out since Sean Taylor. It's like Polian said on Parcell's draft special on ESPN last night: You HAVE to let your board speak to you. You have to trust it. That's why you did all that work the entire year in the first place. That is sound advice coming from someone who knows at least one or two things about talent evaluation and selection processes. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 You can say that really with any pick...I mean some say Kuechly is the next Urlacher, if thats true he should go top 5. It just comes down to what our FO thinks based on the endless amounts of research they have that we don't. Given so many top teams are rumored to be enamored with this kid, that says a lot. I see some people talking about Whitner...well when we shocked everyone and took him, there was not a line of teams looking to move up for him or drooling over the kid. This year, there are a lot of teams enamored with Barron and he is a popular name in a lot of trade up scenarios. So, its not just the Bills that see something in this kid. All that being said, a smoke screen can not be ruled out as Nix already said he would like more picks. So, maybe he is trying to entice a trade down to grab an extra second or third, or both to add more depth and fill more holes. "Top teams" being "rumored" to be interested (I could only find NE, SD and Dallas) in him really doesn't "say a lot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 It's like Polian said on Parcell's draft special on ESPN last night: You HAVE to let your board speak to you. You have to trust it. That's why you did all that work the entire year in the first place. That is sound advice coming from someone who knows at least one or two things about talent evaluation and selection processes. GO BILLS!!! I thought the consensus was that Polian has been a draft dunce for the latter half of the past decade, hence why his team totally tanked it when his 20th century quarterback bit the dust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy in 4C Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Guys - stop mentioning Byrd. He plays FS, Barron plays SS. If you watch Alabama, Barron plays right on the line of scrimmage, not 20-30 yards out - completely different. Barron would immediately start at nickel CB - that's his impact. He'd be on the field 2-3 out of every 3 plays immediately. Transition to SS in 1-2 years over George Wilson. The guy is a ballshark and was the go-to safety blitzer. This fits Buddy's definition of immediate starter and playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I thought the consensus was that Polian has been a draft dunce for the latter half of the past decade, hence why his team totally tanked it when his 20th century quarterback bit the dust... Haven't the Colts won more games over the past 10 years than any other team? One year of tanking seems like a fair price to pay for that run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Haven't the Colts won more games over the past 10 years than any other team? One year of tanking seems like a fair price to pay for that run... Not sure how Polian fits into this argument considering he's on record saying Barron is an "in-the-box" SS who wills struggle in coverage...So if you think Polian sucks you love Barron, If you think Polian is the man you're scared to death of the pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Not sure how Polian fits into this argument considering he's on record saying Barron is an "in-the-box" SS who wills struggle in coverage...So if you think Polian sucks you love Barron, If you think Polian is the man you're scared to death of the pick... Toche! His partner in crime last night said Barron was the only safety he projects as a first-round pick, and he has him going early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Barron plays safety which is a supportive, non-impact position. You just don't draft S, TEs, or OGs with the #10 overall pick. It's going to be Blackmon, Gilmore or Kuechly who play positions of greater impact. This is the most intelligent post in this thread. Not surprising everyone ignored it. They can list him at whatever they want, but Merriman IMO will see more time this year as an outside rushing line backer than DE. If Merriman is 100% again, he is bonafied starter in this league, he is not going to delegated to the bench behind Williams and Anderson and be used sparringly. His talent level (assuming he is healthy) will keep him on the field, so that means OLB. He may not be all 3 downs, or may focus on clear passing downs, but Williams and Anderson are already pass rush specialists, so that means to be on the field he will be rushing from the OLB. There still seems to be some pipe dream that Merriman will play 4-3 OLB and thus create some kind of insane defense. Come back to reality - he does not have the open field coverage skills for the position, regardless of his health. Wannstedt himself was asked this question at least twice and has stated that no, Merriman will be relegated to DE and DE only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Serious question here: has anyone seen or heard anything from Buddy Nix that would indicate (a) he likes Barron, or (b) he's considering a safety at all in the draft? Just curious, because Buddy is an uncharacteristically straight shooter, and we've heard him emphasize OT, WR, CB, and LB... Another possible reason to be worried about Barron being the pick: Chris Brown has the Bills picking him on his mock draft he released today. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Chris-Browns-2012-Mock-Draft/6340ae74-bb8c-464d-bae1-e99cbdb87aab 10. Buffalo OT, LB, CB Top choice: S Mark Barron - Alabama LB Luke Kuechly - Boston College Much like the Spiller pick in 2010, the Bills take the top player on the board and select the best safety to come out since Sean Taylor. Although Brown was correct in projecting Dareus to the Bills last year, that pick was pretty much a slam dunk once Denver said they were taking Miller. Back in 2010, when Buffalo picked 9th overall, Brown mocked Brian Bulaga to Buffalo; we know how that worked out. I wouldn't put too much stock in what Brown says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Serious question here: has anyone seen or heard anything from Buddy Nix that would indicate (a) he likes Barron, or (b) he's considering a safety at all in the draft? Just curious, because Buddy is an uncharacteristically straight shooter, and we've heard him emphasize OT, WR, CB, and LB... Indirectly only. Main things: 1> Rumors are that the Bills really like him and the Bills may have a "shock pick". 2> Nix has said don't believe the mock drafts as to who the Bills will pick. 3> Nix has repeated his philosophy/desire to pick their highest rated player regardless of need (especially in the first round IMO) See recent quote: "if you can get a guy who can start for you for 10 or 12 years, you'd have a good pick." And he has tried to convince every reporter and his dog that "we won't reach. We won't go past a playmaking guy that we've got graded higher to go down the board just to fill a position need. We won't do that. I've tried it. It doesn't work. We'll take the best player." 4> History. Nix has often said in the recent past that a position (such as Tackle) was on their priority list and yet waited until later rounds to address, such as waiting on tackle the 4th or 5th round to draft one. 'Priority' means different things to Buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Serious question here: has anyone seen or heard anything from Buddy Nix that would indicate (a) he likes Barron, or (b) he's considering a safety at all in the draft? Just curious, because Buddy is an uncharacteristically straight shooter, and we've heard him emphasize OT, WR, CB, and LB... Although Brown was correct in projecting Dareus to the Bills last year, that pick was pretty much a slam dunk once Denver said they were taking Miller. Back in 2010, when Buffalo picked 9th overall, Brown mocked Brian Bulaga to Buffalo; we know how that worked out. I wouldn't put too much stock in what Brown says. I think the fact that a guy on The Bills payroll is Mocking Barron to The Bills brings the interest into question BIG TIME... I mean...IF they love Barron, and you KNOW other Teams love Barron, why in God's name would you let your own employee Mock him to Buffalo? I'll say this much...IF The Bills do love Barron, and IF another Team Trades ahead of them to Draft Barron, they deserve to lose him...and be very disappointed...And that is a HUGE possibility now IMHO...Who could possibly say at this point The Bills have not shown their hand where Barron is concerned? But maybe, just maybe, that's what Buddy wanted all along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Serious question here: has anyone seen or heard anything from Buddy Nix that would indicate (a) he likes Barron, or (b) he's considering a safety at all in the draft? Just curious, because Buddy is an uncharacteristically straight shooter, and we've heard him emphasize OT, WR, CB, and LB... Although Brown was correct in projecting Dareus to the Bills last year, that pick was pretty much a slam dunk once Denver said they were taking Miller. Back in 2010, when Buffalo picked 9th overall, Brown mocked Brian Bulaga to Buffalo; we know how that worked out. I wouldn't put too much stock in what Brown says. Yeah, it's definitely no guarantee, otherwise they wouldn't let him do it. I doubt Chris Brown knows of their plans, but I'm sure he knows some things. The interesting thing to me about his mock draft is that it has been a foregone conclusion that the biggest team needs were LT, followed by WR, and then CB and LB. And evidenced by Nix going after Meachem the first minute of FA to spend 20-25 million on a big fast #2. But in Brown's mock, he lists three positions of need and he cut out the WR, even though IIRC he has been preaching WR as obviously one of the team's biggest needs all spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Indirectly only. Main things: 1> Rumors are that the Bills really like him and the Bills may have a "shock pick". 2> Nix has said don't believe the mock drafts as to who the Bills will pick. 3> Nix has repeated his philosophy/desire to pick their highest rated player regardless of need (especially in the first round IMO) See recent quote: 4> History. Nix has often said in the recent past that a position (such as Tackle) was on their priority list and yet waited until later rounds to address, such as waiting on tackle the 4th or 5th round to draft one. 'Priority' means different things to Buddy. Fair enough, although I interpreted Nix's comments about the mock drafts to mean that they have an OT they like and would take at No. 10, although that's totally open to different interpretation. I think the fact that a guy on The Bills payroll is Mocking Barron to The Bills brings the interest into question BIG TIME... I mean...IF they love Barron, and you KNOW other Teams love Barron, why in God's name would you let your own employee Mock him to Buffalo? I'll say this much...IF The Bills do love Barron, and IF another Team Trades ahead of them to Draft Barron, they deserve to lose him...and be very disappointed...And that is a HUGE possibility now IMHO...Who could possibly say at this point The Bills have not shown their hand where Barron is concerned? But maybe, just maybe, that's what Buddy wanted all along... Perhaps that's true; I think it's more a reflection that Brown doesn't really know much about the team's plans. Yeah, it's definitely no guarantee, otherwise they wouldn't let him do it. I doubt Chris Brown knows of their plans, but I'm sure he knows some things. The interesting thing to me about his mock draft is that it has been a foregone conclusion that the biggest team needs were LT, followed by WR, and then CB and LB. And evidenced by Nix going after Meachem the first minute of FA to spend 20-25 million on a big fast #2. But in Brown's mock, he lists three positions of need and he cut out the WR, even though IIRC he has been preaching WR as obviously one of the team's biggest needs all spring. That is...puzzling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah, it's definitely no guarantee, otherwise they wouldn't let him do it. I doubt Chris Brown knows of their plans, but I'm sure he knows some things. The interesting thing to me about his mock draft is that it has been a foregone conclusion that the biggest team needs were LT, followed by WR, and then CB and LB. And evidenced by Nix going after Meachem the first minute of FA to spend 20-25 million on a big fast #2. But in Brown's mock, he lists three positions of need and he cut out the WR, even though IIRC he has been preaching WR as obviously one of the team's biggest needs all spring. And Buddy flat out said they think they can get a big, fast, WR in the 3rd or 4th Round...Which struck me as TMI at the time... Who knows?...I'm hoping Buddy has this massive master plan working and it has NOTHING to do with Drafting Barron in the end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) And Buddy flat out said they think they can get a big, fast, WR in the 3rd or 4th Round...Which struck me as TMI at the time... Who knows?...I'm hoping Buddy has this massive master plan working and it has NOTHING to do with Drafting Barron in the end... The thing is, Nix himself doesn't know who he is going to draft yet. Although I'm positive (and he has said it flat out) that as soon as it is the Bills turn he will have his pick ready. But so much can happen above him I truly believe after following this close that there are 10 players the Bills could draft at #10, at least 5 of them will be gone already, and only about 3-4 of them have the Bills themselves ruled out already that we don't know about. I'm not predicting any of the great players on this list will fall enough, but I think we could easily draft any one of Kahlil, Blackmon, Floyd, Gilmore, Kirkpatrick, Barron, Tannehill, Keuchly, Glenn, Martin, and maybe even Reiff. Also, about the WR. We have a lot of weapons on offense. What we need out of the #2 guy is just what Meachem represented, a big, fast guy who can get downfield, spread the defense and be a threat. If you go after Blackmon or Floyd, they are an immediate threat and either (or both) have potential to be a star and a stud. That could transform the offense. if you're not thinking they're going to be a star player, you don't draft them, and you can get a threat, like he says, in the 3-4 round. It's the Marcus Easley option. And he could even be that very threat. But if they are just a guy, it doesn't work, and it's one of the major downfalls we had last year when the offense tanked. Edited April 25, 2012 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Perhaps that's true; I think it's more a reflection that Brown doesn't really know much about the team's plans. I could be wrong...But I'm assuming that kind of thing would HAVE to be cleared through Nix...Not the whole Mock, but The Bills Pick for sure...Maybe I'm wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I could be wrong...But I'm assuming that kind of thing would HAVE to be cleared through Nix...Not the whole Mock, but The Bills Pick for sure...Maybe I'm wrong though... Doubt it. I don't suspect that teams are scouring each other's websites for drafting hints... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 The thing is, Nix himself doesn't know who he is going to draft yet. Although I'm positive (and he has said it flat out) that as soon as it is the Bills turn he will have his pick ready. But so much can happen above him I truly believe after following this close that there are 10 players the Bills could draft at #10, at least 5 of them will be gone already, and only about 3-4 of them have the Bills themselves ruled out already that we don't know about. I'm not predicting any of the great players on this list will fall enough, but I think we could easily draft any one of Kahlil, Blackmon, Floyd, Gilmore, Kirkpatrick, Barron, Tannehill, Keuchly, Glenn, Martin, and maybe even Reiff. True...He has no control over 1-9...So definitely anything can happen...At this point, he can make a list of 10 players and know he's going to get one of them...That's all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Just the fact that this thread exists shows too much disrespect to George Wilson for my taste. The guy was having a pro-bowl type year before he got hurt and now people are proposing to use the Bills top pick on his replacement? Is this guy really THAT good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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