KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Just the fact that this thread exists shows too much disrespect to George Wilson for my taste. The guy was having a pro-bowl type year before he got hurt and now people are proposing to use the Bills top pick on his replacement? Is this guy really THAT good? Well...You're preaching to the choir in me...But it does seem some folks don't think he's all that...Or that Searcy is going to amount to much...My thinking is, considering who the Bills already have at SS, this Kid better be the next coming if he's the pick at #10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Really hate this pick. Is basically a slightly better version of Scott that hits allot harder IMO. Would seriously hate it if they picked him. With his playing style doubt he lasts much more than 4 years in NFL before spends more time on IR than feild, and at 10 he better be another Polamalu and I just dont see that kind of talent there. Well this really wouldnt surprise me, Buddy seems to care more about shocking people than improving team with first round picks of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 And Buddy flat out said they think they can get a big, fast, WR in the 3rd or 4th Round...Which struck me as TMI at the time... Who knows?...I'm hoping Buddy has this massive master plan working and it has NOTHING to do with Drafting Barron in the end... Lol! My opinion has changed now that Nix is in charge. I really feel like every part of the front office is on the same page, and a former scout is in charge of the draft. Before it seemed like there were too many stories about how the scouts really wanted one guy, the coach another and the front office picked a third guy. That doesn't mean I think they walk on water, or that they'll hit on every pick. But, I sure believe that they are going to hit on more than we used to. If they think Barron is a pro-bowl type player. I'm on board. Remember, Nix was part of the San Diego regime that picked a LOT of pro-bowl players (from Wikipedia): Nix's job with the Chargers was to oversee both pro and college scouting and to be one of the main decision makers in each NFL Draft. Nix was a major reason the Chargers turned around from a losing football team to a rebuilt, winning team. In 2004, three players Nix drafted were selected to the 2005 Pro Bowl. In 2005, six players Nix drafted were selected to the 2006 Pro Bowl. In 2006, eleven players Nix drafted were selected to the 2007 Pro Bowl. In 2007, eight players Nix drafted were selected to the 2008 Pro Bowl. That's 3+6+11+8 for 28 selections over his last 4 years. Sign me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 If they do pick Barron shows that Buddy feels real secure in his job. With all the needs being passed over for him, if he does bust, Buddy really would be sticking his neck out there with a pick like this, ignoring needs and best player available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Well this really wouldnt surprise me, Buddy seems to care more about shocking people than improving team with first round picks of his. Yeah, that Dareus guy sucks. Spiller too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Really hate this pick. Is basically a slightly better version of Scott that hits allot harder IMO. Would seriously hate it if they picked him. With his playing style doubt he lasts much more than 4 years in NFL before spends more time on IR than feild, and at 10 he better be another Polamalu and I just dont see that kind of talent there. Well this really wouldnt surprise me, Buddy seems to care more about shocking people than improving team with first round picks of his. No one seems to be talking much about the injury situation with Barron either...And I realize the Docs are going to go over him with a fine tooth comb...He seems to be a tough Kid who played through some stuff...But on a team that is usually ravaged by injuries...I don't know...I guess he'll fit right in... Barron's Injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah, that Dareus guy sucks. Spiller too... No complaints about Dareus pick, but ton on Spiller pick. Yes Spiller is good back, but would rather have kept Lynch and had a need filled than draft Spiller, and still hate the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 This is the most intelligent post in this thread. Not surprising everyone ignored it. There still seems to be some pipe dream that Merriman will play 4-3 OLB and thus create some kind of insane defense. Come back to reality - he does not have the open field coverage skills for the position, regardless of his health. Wannstedt himself was asked this question at least twice and has stated that no, Merriman will be relegated to DE and DE only. If Merriman is fully healthy he is too talented to sit on the bench. So what do you do with a pro bowl caliber player (again, assuming he is 100% finally) when you already have 2 expensive pass rushing DE's you just signed? You dont bench your talent, you get them on the field. And I disagree about your assesment with Merriman. He has the skill set to be an effective OLB in a 4-3...he is agile, good against the run and a great pass rusher. When Wannstedt made the bulk of those comments we had not signed Anderson. With Anderson on the field, I think Merriman fills in for him on some downs and then gets on the field as an OLB on others. I can assure you that every DC is looking to get his best players on the field, and a healthy Merriman is a guy who can help this team. This isnt the NBA where you have 6th men of the year...your best players play the bulk of the game. Merriman has the athleticism and skill set to be a good OLB for us. So while I know he will play some DE, I still say he will get time at OLB, especially on passing downs. Not to mention he is a better run stopper and pass rusher than any other OLB on our roster. And anything the DC says today has no relevance once camp opens and he sees Merriman first hand at various positions. So, I still stand by my statement that assuming Merriman is healthy and ready to go that Wanny will get this guy on the field with both Mario and Anderson too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah, that Dareus guy sucks. Spiller too... Well...Dareus was a bit of a no-briner would you not admit? Sure Buddy could have messed it up, but he would have been run out of town too... I think the Jury is still WAY out on Spiller in the NFL...We'll see...He did come on late last year, but before that he was looking awfully average for #8 overall...The Bills passed on some VERY solid football players to take a "water-bug" RB when they already had two very good RB's in House...Spiller is dynamic no question,and I loved him in College...But he has a HUGE problem breaking tackles...I'd still rather have Lynch and JPP, or Lynch and Anthony Davis, than Spiller and whatever...But admittedly that may just be me...The Troup pick certainly does not speak well of Buddy...Troup was not projected there (at #41 overall) and we passed on some good talent with that pick...So... I do however think Buddy did a very good job last year landing Williams, Searcy, Rogers, and Hairston...Those were the type of picks that make a GM...As crazy as it sounds, I think Easley was a great Pick too in 2010...Just terrible luck with that Kid...But I think he's VERY talented for a 4th Rd WR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Well...Dareus was a bit of a no-briner would you not admit? Without doubt. But a blanket statement that Buddy just wants to shock people with the first pick is silly, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) "Top teams" being "rumored" to be interested (I could only find NE, SD and Dallas) in him really doesn't "say a lot". Philly, NE, SD, Buffalo, Dallas, Tenn, TB, AZ, KC (yes even with Berry), Jets, and Chi have all been said to be enamored with him as well as other unnamed teams. Most articles also state that all the AFC and NFC scouts love this kid. There are a lot of interested teams according to the buzz going into the draft. Edited April 25, 2012 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 If Merriman is fully healthy he is too talented to sit on the bench. So what do you do with a pro bowl caliber player (again, assuming he is 100% finally) when you already have 2 expensive pass rushing DE's you just signed? You dont bench your talent, you get them on the field. And I disagree about your assesment with Merriman. He has the skill set to be an effective OLB in a 4-3...he is agile, good against the run and a great pass rusher. When Wannstedt made the bulk of those comments we had not signed Anderson. With Anderson on the field, I think Merriman fills in for him on some downs and then gets on the field as an OLB on others. I can assure you that every DC is looking to get his best players on the field, and a healthy Merriman is a guy who can help this team. This isnt the NBA where you have 6th men of the year...your best players play the bulk of the game. Merriman has the athleticism and skill set to be a good OLB for us. So while I know he will play some DE, I still say he will get time at OLB, especially on passing downs. Not to mention he is a better run stopper and pass rusher than any other OLB on our roster. And anything the DC says today has no relevance once camp opens and he sees Merriman first hand at various positions. So, I still stand by my statement that assuming Merriman is healthy and ready to go that Wanny will get this guy on the field with both Mario and Anderson too. I just assumed Merriman would be used mainly in obvious Passing situations...And I agree they want Merriman, Williams and Anderson on the Field together as much as possible when they (the Bills D) are guessing Pass...Wanny has to be licking his chops at that possibility... Without doubt. But a blanket statement that Buddy just wants to shock people with the first pick is silly, IMO... Agreed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I just assumed Merriman would be used mainly in obvious Passing situations...And I agree they want Merriman, Williams and Anderson on the Field together as much as possible when they (the Bills D) are guessing Pass...Wanny has to be licking his chops at that possibility... Yeah about Wanny is very excited this year. Don't forget how good Merriman is in the run too. I can see him being subbed in at DE over Anderson in obvious run situations as Anderson is more of a pass rush specialist from what I have read. Or stacking Merriman at OLB behind Anderson in obvious rush situations. My only point is they brought in Anderson and Mario to start at DE, and if Merriman regains his health and becomes a valuable player again, I just dont see him spending the bulk of his time on the bench, meaning more time at OLB. All that being said though, its premature as Merriman is still a big question mark, been a few years since he was lights out. He is still young though, so one would think if fully healthy finally he should be able to get back to a high level of play...if so, watch out for this D with him Barnett, Williams, Dareus, Mario, Mark, and likely Barron or Kuechly added to this D! I think we have the makings of a top 10 D this year if the offense can figure out how to be consistent and puts some points up and stop so many short drives and 3 and out drives (I am talking to you Fitz). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah about Wanny is very excited this year. Don't forget how good Merriman is in the run too. I can see him being subbed in at DE over Anderson in obvious run situations as Anderson is more of a pass rush specialist from what I have read. Or stacking Merriman at OLB behind Anderson in obvious rush situations. My only point is they brought in Anderson and Mario to start at DE, and if Merriman regains his health and becomes a valuable player again, I just dont see him spending the bulk of his time on the bench, meaning more time at OLB. All that being said though, its premature as Merriman is still a big question mark, been a few years since he was lights out. He is still young though, so one would think if fully healthy finally he should be able to get back to a high level of play...if so, watch out for this D with him Barnett, Williams, Dareus, Mario, Mark, and likely Barron or Kuechly added to this D! I think we have the makings of a top 10 D this year if the offense can figure out how to be consistent and puts some points up and stop so many short drives and 3 and out drives (I am talking to you Fitz). If Merriman comes back anywhere close to "Light's Out" this Front 7 has REAL nasty capabilities...Can you imagine? And in his prime Merriman could have played just about any LB position...He was amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah about Wanny is very excited this year. Don't forget how good Merriman is in the run too. I can see him being subbed in at DE over Anderson in obvious run situations as Anderson is more of a pass rush specialist from what I have read. Or stacking Merriman at OLB behind Anderson in obvious rush situations. My only point is they brought in Anderson and Mario to start at DE, and if Merriman regains his health and becomes a valuable player again, I just dont see him spending the bulk of his time on the bench, meaning more time at OLB. All that being said though, its premature as Merriman is still a big question mark, been a few years since he was lights out. He is still young though, so one would think if fully healthy finally he should be able to get back to a high level of play...if so, watch out for this D with him Barnett, Williams, Dareus, Mario, Mark, and likely Barron or Kuechly added to this D! I think we have the makings of a top 10 D this year if the offense can figure out how to be consistent and puts some points up and stop so many short drives and 3 and out drives (I am talking to you Fitz). Not only is Merriman good against the run as a 4-3 DE (if healthy and can push off his achillees obviously) but teams no longer think of run downs as run downs and often throw on first and second. The Bills say and think that Anderson can be a 3 down player but he is best as a pass rusher, and was very effective playing less than 50% of the plays last year. Furthermore, Mario has been moved inside at times on passing downs, and is explosive because of his power rush even as a DT, so the Bills would use any combination of the 5 guys at any down rushing the passer as far as Mario, Kyle, Dareus, Anderson and Merriman. It will also keep all of them fresh. It will be very fun to watch if Merriman is close to being healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I just assumed Merriman would be used mainly in obvious Passing situations...And I agree they want Merriman, Williams and Anderson on the Field together as much as possible when they (the Bills D) are guessing Pass...Wanny has to be licking his chops at that possibility... Agreed... I can disagree with that a tinch. Merriman created run pressure and was good with the edge for the little time we had him on the field. Might you all consider that we are building a violent rotation on the front? I would expect a mix and match left to right on the inside and outside guys causing many confusions. Wanny licking his chops? hell he has a drool bucket by now with Merriman showing up. I think Williams will have strong run D skills to show off based on his 3-4 time under Wade. This really could turn out ridiculous and may i say what a great time to be a fan! i am a defensive fellow and in my glory right now. go ahead Buddy.. pick Barron or Keekly. go Bills ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) bump... If it's a smokescreen, it's a pretty effective one. Edited April 25, 2012 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8289608d/article/mark-barron-in-high-demand-for-safetystarved-nfl-teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 bump... If it's a smokescreen, it's a pretty effective one. Well...Things keep getting more interesting do they not? That Mock had Gilmore going #5 to The Bucs...Wow! Anyway...I'm not trying to say I know more than anybody else...Just what I've seen with my own two eyes on a lot of these Kids...But if Barron turns out to be the 6th best player in this Draft on the NFL field, where it counts, I would be absolutely shocked...I just don't think he's got the speed or cover ability to be THAT good... I still think he can be a very good, if not great NFL SS...Assuming he can stay healthy of course...But 6th best in this Draft? I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Well...Things keep getting more interesting do they not? That Mock had Gilmore going #5 to The Bucs...Wow! Anyway...I'm not trying to say I know more than anybody else...Just what I've seen with my own two eyes on a lot of these Kids...But if Barron turns out to be the 6th best player in this Draft on the NFL field, where it counts, I would be absolutely shocked...I just don't think he's got the speed or cover ability to be THAT good... I still think he can be a very good, if not great NFL SS...Assuming he can stay healthy of course...But 6th best in this Draft? I don't know... Sounds like the Bills scouts agree about his cover skills being only good or adequate. Not great or amazing. He also has good cover skills against tight ends and running backs and I think he’s adequate even against wide receivers. He’s like most safeties in coverage. You might want to have a little help behind him against elite receivers. For me, thats not the glowing review that I would like to hear about a #10. Doesn't sound like a game changer/play maker. Doesn't seem like he is going to help the Bills with the TE coverages more than say Wilson or Searcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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