Let's talk about the DRAFT

[Thoner7]

Id rather take a 2nd or 3rd round guy. I like Kirk Cousins for one, could be e Ponder type guy who gets drafted early though

[Orton's Arm]

If you look at the needs of this team, Fitz at QB is actually a very LOW priority. Knowing this team's draft history it would not surprise me to see them select a QB in the 1st, only to ignore the needs of the rest of the team.

Over the last 40 years, the Bills have used their first pick of the draft on a RB on ten different occasions. They have used their first pick of the draft on a DB on ten occasions as well. 50% of the time, the Bills used their first pick of the draft on a RB or DB! Bill from NYC may seem a bit . . . opinionated on the need to avoid taking RBs and DBs early. But his opinions are a perfectly legitimate response to what has been a very real and ongoing problem.

 

Not once in team history have the Bills used their first pick of the draft to take a quarterback. Not once! The closest they came to doing so was in 1983, when they used a first round pick on Jim Kelly. But they had already taken a TE a little earlier in the first round.

 

Quarterback is the most important position on the field, and a good quarterback has a greater potential to influence the outcome of the game than a good player at any other position. That being the case, the Bills decided to relegate the QB position to second- or third-tier importance so that their best draft day resources could be lavished on DBs and RBs!

 

Is Fitz better at quarterback than (for example) Spencer Johnson is at linebacker? Absolutely! In that sense quarterback is a lesser need than a number of other positions on this team.

 

But if you look at the ten most recent Super Bowl winning teams, nine had QBs who were hands-down better than Fitz. The tenth had Brad Johnson and the Tampa Bay defense of 2002. Brad Johnson was voted to the Pro Bowl the year his team won the Super Bowl. If the Bills are going to build themselves into a Super Bowl winner, they will need to upgrade at QB (among a number of other positions).

 

The best time to obtain an upgrade at quarterback is when you have lots of other needs at other positions, because that's when your record will be the worst, and your draft position will be the best! If you wait until your team's other needs are filled before taking a quarterback, your record will be too good, and your draft position too lousy, for you to have access to the most highly rated QBs of the draft.

 

The Packers team that won this most recent Super Bowl looked like it was thrown together. They could neither run the ball nor stop the run. The offensive line was a joke. The defense had serious problems. But they had two saving graces. One was a very good pass rusher in the form of Clay Matthews. The other and more important saving grace was Aaron Rodgers who, IIRC, had exactly one non-perfect throw during the entire Super Bowl! If the Bills are able to acquire a player like that, they will have taken a major step towards becoming champions!

[Thoner7]

Somehow Maybin went from being the biggest biitch in the league and getting pancaked by backup running abcks to sacking teh QB and winning games for the Jets. We must have the worst player development program in the league.

[billsfan714]

I used DraftTek's simulator to make a draft of players from LSU-Alabama-OkSt-Stanford-Oregon, because they know how to win.

 

1 8 Buffalo Courtney Upshaw OLB34 Alabama

2 40 Buffalo Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State

3 72 Cliff Harris CB Oregon

4 103 Barrett Jones OG Alabama

4 112 William Vlachos OC Alabama

5 135 Kenjon Barner RBC Oregon

6 167 Deangelo Peterson TE LSU

7 199 Darron Thomas QB Oregon

 

I switched the draft order to draft around 8th (taking Miami's place).

 

I had to take 2 QB's. There were no Top 5 teams in the 7th round except for Thomas.

 

If I didn't take Weeden, I could substitute another OLB, Nico Johnson at #40, but I consider him a better 4-3 guy. Another #40 pick could be Coby Fleener, the tough, pass catching TE.

Astro

 

Ive asked this before and never get an answer, dont we have a conditional 5th or 6th in 2012 from Seattle for the Marshawn trade?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

While most people won't agree with this topic, but the Bills could set themselves up for getting one of the better QB's in the 2012 draft...IF the Bills do lose the remainder of their games this season, they look to draft in the 5-10 range!

 

If they do select in the top ten, I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo bets the farm on Luck, Grif the III or Barkley!

 

Who knows, maybe Nix and Polian will strike a trade for the first--it could happen!

Nix doesn't trade and now way Luck is there for us and Bark and RG aren't worth that pick.

[BillsNeedaQBin2012]

Nix doesn't trade and now way Luck is there for us and Bark and RG aren't worth that pick.

RG3 or Barkley aren't worth a 5-10 overall selection?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Somehow Maybin went from being the biggest biitch in the league and getting pancaked by backup running abcks to sacking teh QB and winning games for the Jets. We must have the worst player development program in the league.

need to get these guys on roids ... it work for this guy

 

 

RG3 or Barkley aren't worth a 5-10 overall selection?

NO!

[#34fan]

Round Pick Team Selection Psn School

1 1 Indianapolis Andrew Luck QB Stanford

1 2 Carolina Justin Blackmon WRF Oklahoma State

1 3 Minnesota Matt Kalil OT USC

1 4 St Louis Morris Claiborne CB LSU

1 5 Washington Matt Barkley QB USC

1 6 Jacksonville Alshon Jeffery WRF South Carolina

1 7 Arizona Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama

1 8 Buffalo Courtney Upshaw OLB34 Alabama

 

After That (correct answer in bold):

2 40 Buffalo Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech or Brandon Weeden QB Okla State

3 72 Buffalo Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas or Alex Okafor OLB34 Texas

4 103 Buffalo Trevor Guyton DE34 California or Kellen Moore QB Boise State

4 120 Buffalo Brandon Mosley OT Auburn or Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State

5 135 Buffalo Ryan Broyles WRF Oklahoma or Desmond Trufant CB Washington

6 167 Buffalo Deangelo Peterson TE LSU or Malik Jackson OLB34 Tennessee

7 208 Buffalo Johnathan Jenkins DT34 Georgia or Cobi Hamilton WRF Arkansas

Whay are you drafting a 3-4 OLB, when we're (supposedly) commiting to the 4-3?

[BillsNeedaQBin2012]

NO!

Then would you take Tannehil with a 5-10 overall selection?

[NewEra]

Rg3 will be a first round pick if he enters. Obviously just my opinion, but I really can't see him not being chosen in rd 1. He's not just a runner, he's got good velocity and throws a great deep ball. He would bring excitement to this team. If he's available and we pass on him, I'll be disturbed. Seriously. Yes, our defense needs a LOT of help, but we need a qb that can be a stud. Fitz is what he is, a decent qb. I don't want a decent qb, I want a potential star.

[#34fan]

Rg3 will be a first round pick if he enters. Obviously just my opinion, but I really can't see him not being chosen in rd 1. He's not just a runner, he's got good velocity and throws a great deep ball. He would bring excitement to this team. If he's available and we pass on him, I'll be disturbed. Seriously. Yes, our defense needs a LOT of help, but we need a qb that can be a stud. Fitz is what he is, a decent qb. I don't want a decent qb, I want a potential star.

Ditto, buddy, ditto!

RG3 or bust in 2012!!!!

[rayray808]

what the Bills SHOULD do...

round one) Robert Griffin III

round two - FA) huge defenders and o-linemen from the SEC

[flomoe]

Our first 5 picks in the draft should include a QB, 3 OLB's and a CB. If there is a QB worthy when we pick in the 1st, take him, then concentrate on OLB's. Other than Merriman, we don't have any other OLB's on our roster that played that position in college. The current depth chart at OLB consists of a Division 1 DE, a D1 DT, a D2 DE and two D3 DE's. This is a glaring weakness and a huge hole that needs to be addressed early and often next April. We have a lot of needs but the OLB position is clearly the biggest.

[Juror#8]

No shot at Barkley and I havent seen a mock first round with RG3 in it. So I guess you could get him in the 2nd. Me I think we got bigger holes than QB.

 

What are you talking about? Huh?!?! Did you even look first? You must be thinking about Astrobot's unrealistic mock that has RG3 in the second round. Most mocks that I've seen have RG3 in the TOP 5-15. Some have him in the top 3.

 

Here ya go:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Peter-Schrager-Midseason-NFL-Mock-Draft-111411

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-ChadReuter

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

 

http://www.newerascouting.com/mock-draft/

 

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-10/nfl-mock-draft/story/nfl-mock-draft-andrew-luck-has-company-at-quarterback-in-top-five

 

Nix doesn't trade and now way Luck is there for us and Bark and RG aren't worth that pick.

 

 

Ditto, buddy, ditto!

RG3 or bust in 2012!!!!

 

YES!

 

what the Bills SHOULD do...

round one) Robert Griffin III

round two - FA) huge defenders and o-linemen from the SEC

 

YES!

Edited December 5, 2011 by Juror#8

[billsfan714]

What are you talking about? Huh?!?! Did you even look first? You must be thinking about Astrobot's unrealistic mock that has RG3 in the second round. Most mocks that I've seen have RG3 in the TOP 5-15. Some have him in the top 3.

 

Here ya go:

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Peter-Schrager-Midseason-NFL-Mock-Draft-111411

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-ChadReuter

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

 

http://www.newerascouting.com/mock-draft/

 

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-10/nfl-mock-draft/story/nfl-mock-draft-andrew-luck-has-company-at-quarterback-in-top-five

 

 

 

 

 

 

YES!

 

 

 

YES!

 

I'll stand corrected on that because I go to draftek and great blue north. But if you think the same front office that just gave Fitz 60m is going to turn around and draft a QB in round 1 your delusional. And yes I still think we got bigger holes than QB

[Juror#8]

Just an update on the RG3 push (or Matt Barkley if he is not there):

 

http://msn.foxsports...ck-Draft-111411

 

http://www.cbssports...cout-ChadReuter

 

http://walterfootbal...m/draft2012.php

 

http://www.newerasco...com/mock-draft/

 

http://aol.sportingn...ack-in-top-five

 

We should take him or Matt Barkley in the first and not look back.

[Juror#8]

I'll stand corrected on that because I go to draftek and great blue north. But if you think the same front office that just gave Fitz 60m is going to turn around and draft a QB in round 1 your delusional. And yes I still think we got bigger holes than QB

 

I don't think that they will draft a QB because of Fitz' new deal; I think that they should draft a QB though. Either Griffin or Barkley would catapult this team light years in the right direction and provide ancillary benefits that almost no other NFL position could (would be another gem to dangle for attracting FAs).

 

I agree that we have TONS of holes to fill so a stud, ANY stud, will be an improvement.

[Saint Doug]

If the Colts can draft Luck with one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL already on their roster, then I'm sure we can draft a QB with Fitz on our roster. People are so quick to say the Colts will draft Luck, but Manning probably has about 5 more years of great football in him. Some may say he's now damaged goods, but there is nothing out there to suggest this. So, if the Colts, who outside of the QB position have twice as many holes as we have, can draft Luck and ignore the rest of their horrible roster, then so can we. On the Colts, Luck is likely to sit for another 3-5 years anyway.

 

I don't have a crystal ball, but I think this offseason's draft position will be the best the Bills will have in the near future. Should we get caught with our pants down in 3-5 years when we need Fitz's replacement? I think most people know now that while Fitz is not this team's problem, he's not likely going to be the solution either. He cannot rely on him to take control of a game in its final minutes to win us a game. We need that type of leader.

[BillsNeedaQBin2012]

I'll stand corrected on that because I go to draftek and great blue north. But if you think the same front office that just gave Fitz 60m is going to turn around and draft a QB in round 1 your delusional. And yes I still think we got bigger holes than QB

Only 3 years and 20m of that are guaranteed.

[BobChalmers]

No, I'm saying it doesn't matter who we draft. We have too many holes, and our FO refuses to acknowledge depth and skills positions year after year.

 

This all by itself is a non-sequitor.

 

If we have "too many" holes, we shouldn't be drafting depth.

 

Do we want depth at Center? Do we want to be 3-Deep at OLT? I am unaware of any other NFL team that is.

 

We really don't have that many holes. A better WR#1 and a pair of OLB who can actually rush the passer, and a little better injury luck (Bills have 13 on IR, Ravens have 3) and this team has all it needed to compete.

 

On the other hand, I do sgree with those who say if there's a QB stud he's still worth taking though. Fitz' accuracy seems to be returning to previous form - multiple huge misses on deep balls to open WRs that would be TD's. That there aren't enough open WRs is a seperate issue.