H2o Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I rarely start a new thread on this board & I know there have been a number of threads recently about Whitner & twitter. However, I feel this deserves its own thread: Whitner seems to be backtracking on twitter after Nix's comments. He seems apologetic: he wants to stay in Buffalo. He also compared himself to Jesus yesterday: "People hated Jesus," "but only if they knew the power he possessed..." He must have a pretty healthy self-image... The fact that he likens criticism of himself to Jesus Christ's suffering, confirms what I've thought for a long time now: Whitner has the intelligence, and the maturity, of a child... I really hope Nix retracts the contract offer completely... I don't even want this guy back for the league minimum... Link: http://twitter.com/#!/DONTEWHITNER Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If he was anywhere near a good Player he would be accepted no problem...You're over-exaggerating...We all know they made a massive mistake in not Drafting Ngata...But that's over and done with...No one expects Whitner to have that kind of impact...And if they do they're nuts...What is expected is that Donte have SOME kind of consistent positive impact...And sorry...19 Passes defended and 5 INT's in 69 Games is not going to cut it...It's no where near good enough...No one is making excuses...Turn on the tape...Look at the results...He's not good enough...period... He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? Also, for those of you with INT fetishes, keep in mind that most of Wilson's snaps came at FREE Safety, which is normally the Safety position that gets the interceptions. Strong Safeties are there more to help support the run, and be the LAST LINE OF DEFENSE against the run. I capitalized that for the posters that have said they want to see Whitner making more plays at, or behind, the Line of Scrimmage. If that is being said, then you have to look at 1. WTF is up with our LBs, because that is the LBs job, and 2. Our "fans"'s knowledge of the game for expecting a player to do something that is not his positions job. They should just blame our horrible blocking on Offense on the Fullback... Apusz, dont waste too much energy bringing facts to this argument. Most of these opinions on Whitner were formed the moment his name was said and everyone went "WHO?!?". Doesnt matter that we havent had a pass rush in 15 years, or that the DL and LBs were so bad we had the 32nd run defense last year. It's obviously the Safety's fault... Edited May 5, 2011 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? The number of tackles is sick - that shows pretty clearly that the safeties in general are hampered by abyssmal play in the center of the defense. Imagine how much better ANY of them would be if running backs got so much as breathed on at the line. As for Whitner comparing himself to Jesus...big deal. I compare myself to Jesus all the time - my landscaping looks muy bien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 The number of tackles is sick - that shows pretty clearly that the safeties in general are hampered by abyssmal play in the center of the defense. Imagine how much better ANY of them would be if running backs got so much as breathed on at the line. As for Whitner comparing himself to Jesus...big deal. I compare myself to Jesus all the time - my landscaping looks muy bien. Double Thumbs Up on that one! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? If you wan't to use those numbers for comparison, you really have to use games started at least...And even regardless of who is starting, Whitner has seen WAY more playing time than the other two. Also, I am not a stat person JP losman and Rob Johnson both actually had decent stats at times...but watching them play was awful. Having said that, I don't think Whitner was awful. I just don't think he is as good as a 1st rounder should of been, or NEARLY as good as he thinks he is. Watching the both of them play, Bryan Scott certainly looked like more of a playmaker when he was on the field. He was physical, stuck to TE's like glue, and was a solid tackler...I think he should have, and should be, starting over Whitner. How many times did Whitner go for a big hit last year, not use his arms, bounce off the guy, and have him run for a big play...Way too many in my opinion...Thats supposedly his strength... Edited May 5, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 ...As for Whitner comparing himself to Jesus...big deal. I compare myself to Jesus all the time - my landscaping looks muy bien... Until Whitner compares himself to DC Tom, I won't feel he has an ego problem. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'm pretty sure the only reasons Whitner were offered contracts (tendered at certain levels... I thought the were RFAs) was so the Bills might Garner a couple of draft picks if they resign elseware. Nix has two players here, neither of which played up to the level of the money they were paid. Why would you want to pay more to get the same results from these two? Maybe you turn Poz into a safety since he makes most of his tackles 8+ yards down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'm pretty sure the only reasons Whitner were offered contracts (tendered at certain levels... I thought the were RFAs) was so the Bills might Garner a couple of draft picks if they resign elseware. Nix has two players here, neither of which played up to the level of the money they were paid. Why would you want to pay more to get the same results from these two? Maybe you turn Poz into a safety since he makes most of his tackles 8+ yards down the field. Or maybe you keep the little talent you have, and instead replace/upgrade the crappier players around them first. Like adding Sheppard next to Poz, and Dareus in front of him? Neither Whitner nor Poz are going to command very high salaries. Whitner should end up around $6mil/year. And that may seem like a lot to me and you as "everyday Joes", but relative to the league, that is a mid-road contract for a mid-road veteran. Especially as we move forward and salaries only increase. The Bills have plenty of cap space. I dont want them overpaying for any player, but if there is room and it means keeping talent around, then they should do it. Dont let all this public negotiation (Twhitner and Nix in the press) rile you up too much. Once they can talk again, I bet theyll work something out quickly. Especially after the big offers dont come rolling into Donte's office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? Please... We both know Whitner has been on the field more than Scott and Wilson combined...Games played and Tackles don't tell the whole story...If they did then yes Donte would be considered a good Player...But they don't and he's not good...He's a liability in the Passing Game at the Safety Position...How can any Safety, Strong or Free, be considered good when they are a liability vs. The Pass? If Donte was as good against the Pass as he is vs The Run then MAYBE the argument could be made that he is a good Player...He does not make enough impact plays to be considered a good Player...Believe me, I wish to God I was wrong about this but I'm not...He's just not nearly good enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKelso'sHelmet Posted May 5, 2011 Author Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) Stop e-stalking the guy if you hate him so much. Checking his twitter once or twice a month = e-stalking. The king of hyperbole strikes again... p.s., I'll e-stalk whomever the hell I please.... Please... We both know Whitner has been on the field more than Scott and Wilson combined...Games played and Tackles don't tell the whole story...If they did then yes Donte would be considered a good Player...But they don't and he's not good...He's a liability in the Passing Game at the Safety Position...How can any Safety, Strong or Free, be considered good when they are a liability vs. The Pass? If Donte was as good against the Pass as he is vs The Run then MAYBE the argument could be made that he is a good Player...He does not make enough impact plays to be considered a good Player...Believe me, I wish to God I was wrong about this but I'm not...He's just not nearly good enough... Good post. Also, he has no ability to locate the football while it's in the air. He usually has no idea where the ball is when it's coming down on long passes. There have been opportunities in the past where he was actually in position to make a play, had semi-good coverage, and yet he completely whiffed. I'm just tired of seeing him play. I have a hard time believing that our new rookie can't come in and play at a similar level. Perhaps he is slightly above average in run support, but that tackle stat is definitely misleading... Edited May 5, 2011 by applescruff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Whitner is KING of the "back tackle". Instead of lowering his shoulder and delivering a big hit, he turns and thrusts his body back first. I can honestly not remember ONE time when he deflected a pass away from a TE, causing an incompletion. Sad to see him go, I will not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Checking his twitter once or twice a month = e-stalking. The king of hyperbole strikes again... p.s., I'll e-stalk whomever the hell I please.... Not just you, all of you. How many threads have been made in the last few days, let alone years, about "Donte Whitner Tweets"? Who cares? It's like a bunch of middle schoolers in here. "OMG, Donte said WHAT?!? Does that mean he's not gonna sit at the same lunch table as Buddy? Do you think theyll fight in gym class?!?" With all the BS ex-greats like Reed, Thomas, and Talley post, had Twitter been around back then, I bet all of you would hate on their posts too. Its just twitter. Its completely superfluous information that comes off the top of some dude's head. It doesnt mean anything. And furthermore, if you have a problem with it, why doesnt anyone here take it up with Donte directly? He leaves himself open. Instead of having our little circle jerk here, talk to the man himself. And I implore you to do it in a way that doesnt embarrass yourself or the rest of us fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 He has been hated since day one, and the only thing that would have changed that is if Ngata had been a total Bust, and Whitner had been a Pro Bowler from Day 1. Even if he was a "good player, he still would not be accepted because he isn't an "elite player" and he wasn't who everyone else thought the bills should take at that point. Quick Stat Comparrison from NFL.com Bryan Scott - 55 Games, 12 PDef, 1 INT's, 162 Tackles, 0 TD, 6.0 Sck's (Stats since becoming a Bill) George Wilson - 63 Games, 14 PDef, 8 INT's, 148 Tackles, 1 TD, 3.5 Sck's Donte Whitner - 69 Games, 18 PDef, 5 INT's, 323 Tackles, 1 TD, 1.5 Sck's Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? 323 tackles in 69 games is what, about 4.7 a game? Meh. I'm glad Donte has been able to wrap up ball carriers after they get through the crappy front seven. That doesn't make him an elite (or even very good) SS. As others have said, he's pretty worthless in pass coverage. I'm certainly not saying Wilson and Scott are "much better" than Donte overall, but Wilson has much better "ball in the air" skills and Scott is a harder hitter. And they make a fraction of what Whitner makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Looking at those numbers, how can anyone sit there and say that Whitner isn't atleast a good player, and yet say that Scott or Wilson are much better? I'll take this softball. Answer: WATCH THE GAMES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Also, he has no ability to locate the football while it's in the air. He usually has no idea where the ball is when it's coming down on long passes. There have been opportunities in the past where he was actually in position to make a play, had semi-good coverage, and yet he completely whiffed. This is SUCH a great point and something the Whitner's backers who think he's "good" will completely ignore...One play that comes to mind immediately was the Sidney Rice TD last Season at Minnesota...Whitner is in perfect position to make a Play on that Ball...But he waits for the Ball to come down and tries to catch it waist high while Rice is jumping over McLovin's back to make an incredible grab...Watch the tape...There is no way that Ball should have got to Rice or McKelvin...But Donte simply is poor in this area of Coverage...You don't pay a guy $6 million per year who can't make that play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Was Stevie Johnson really blaming Donte'? "I follow you 24/7 (on twitter)--and this is how you do me??" Also, for those of you with INT fetishes, keep in mind that most of Wilson's snaps came at FREE Safety, which is normally the Safety position that gets the interceptions. Strong Safeties are there more to help support the run, and be the LAST LINE OF DEFENSE against the run. Doesnt matter that we havent had a pass rush in 15 years, or that the DL and LBs were so bad we had the 32nd run defense last year. It's obviously the Safety's fault... So Polumalu is great only because of his DL and LBs? And Whitner on the Steelers=Polumalu? Guess the rest of us aren't bright enough to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 And now that we're on the subject, anyone with last name "De Jesus" needs to tone it down too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I can understand Dante comparing himself to Jesus; often, when I watch him play, I yell out "Jesus." Well, among other things I yell that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Or maybe you keep the little talent you have Personally i think paying "top safety" money who doesn't even deserver to be the starter on his own team is a little ridiculous. I'm sure Nix realizes like many of us do that Scott played better then him in almost all aspects of the game, and now they have Searcy...Why keep him when the ALREADY have better players. Please... We both know Whitner has been on the field more than Scott and Wilson combined... +1 he has no ability to locate the football while it's in the air. He usually has no idea where the ball is when it's coming down on long passes. There have been opportunities in the past where he was actually in position to make a play, had semi-good coverage, and yet he completely whiffed. Excellent point, he does this ALL THE TIME. Whitner thinks about one thing, and one thing only...Hitting, and hes not even good at it. Half of the time he lines a guy up, hits him with eyes closed and arms bunched up then just bounces off him... Whitner is KING of the "back tackle". Instead of lowering his shoulder and delivering a big hit, he turns and thrusts his body back first. I can honestly not remember ONE time when he deflected a pass away from a TE, causing an incompletion. Sad to see him go, I will not be. Exactly, meanwhile Bryan Scott was the exact opposite. He stuck right to TE's, and made sure tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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